If you read carefully I spend my time on this topic engaging with truth claims, ie, this happened or this paper said x or vaccines do y. As far as I can remember I don't think I've ever said that someone should or shouldn't get vaccinated.

This is a really emotional issue for you, and that makes it difficult to have a discussion. You don't seem to be able to do anything other than analyze my motives - usually for the worse.

And I guess it goes on and on and on. Well at least it appears everyone knows the real story about what the vax is doing. Let him rant on forever.

Her sons grandmother took him to get the shot without mom’s permission so he could play sports. His school had mandated it. He now has heart damage and can’t play sports. Doc said he could have heart attack if he did.

*There are some F bombs in video…pic.twitter.com/07YMj9AxDU

— Nashville Angela (@angelanashtn) January 16, 2023

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If you read carefully I spend my time on this topic engaging with truth claims, ie, this happened or this paper said x or vaccines do y. As far as I can remember I don't think I've ever said that someone should or shouldn't get vaccinated.

This is a really emotional issue for you, and that makes it difficult to have a discussion. You don't seem to be able to do anything other than analyze my motives - usually for the worse.

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And yet you keep telling me how emotional I am. GMAFB.

Every post in this exchange has more or less been you berating me about what I should or shouldn't care about, or my intentions, and more or less calling me a liar. That's not exactly an argument on the merits. Like you said, probably best to leave it be.

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Her sons grandmother took him to get the shot without mom’s permission so he could play sports. His school had mandated it. He now has heart damage and can’t play sports. Doc said he could have heart attack if he did.

*There are some F bombs in video…pic.twitter.com/07YMj9AxDU

— Nashville Angela (@angelanashtn) January 16, 2023

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Salute the vaccine don't care.

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Every post in this exchange has more or less been you berating me about what I should or shouldn't care about, or my intentions, and more or less calling me a liar. That's not exactly an argument on the merits. Like you said, probably best to leave it be.

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Truth hurts.

Prayers for this woman and her child as well to all of those in similar situations out there.

Uhm? When I was in elementary school in Houston, we had the SRA system. I read about her and Harriet Tubman and many more historical figures, regardless of race.

at this point most people in the US have probably had covid. most people have also gotten the covid vaccine. why the tendency to blame only the latter for these incidents?

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at this point most people in the US have probably had covid. most people have also gotten the covid vaccine. why the tendency to blame only the latter for these incidents?

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Because those of us with a science degree knew that the common cold is a coronavirus, like Covid 19. We also knew that'd it mutate rapidly and even though it would be more contagious, it would weaken itself. We also knew that masks are tard flare against an airborne respiratory virus, that's why I never complied. There was never any justification to inject that bs 'vaccine', especially in children and dumbass horrible parents are the ones that made their kids lab rats and betrayed them.

we know heart issues (i.e. myocarditis) are a rare side effect of both covid and the vaccine, albeit to varying extents. what makes people so sure these "died suddenly" incidents are related to long term side effects of the vaccine and not covid itself?

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we know heart issues (i.e. myocarditis) are a rare side effect of both covid and the vaccine

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We do? I've not seen compelling evidence that its a side effect of Covid

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we know heart issues (i.e. myocarditis) are a rare side effect of both covid and the vaccine, albeit to varying extents. what makes people so sure these "died suddenly" incidents are related to long term side effects of the vaccine and not covid itself?

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maybe someone should do a study instead of so many people ignoring & dismissing everyone who dies suddenly and defending and still pushing the vaccines.

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We do? I've not seen compelling evidence that its a side effect of Covid

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There's definitely evidence of both. But there are more people vaccinated than recently recovered from Covid and it's looking like heart related issues are ticking up. If it was mainly Covid causing excess heart injuries then those should be dropping on a fairly steep curve. The unwillingness to tolerate the asking of questions is the sign that something doesn't add up. That's one of the consistent things about this from the very beginning. Most of the questions contrary to the forced and manipulated group think have ended up being true… masks, lockdowns, efficacy of vaccine, etc… and all have had the same tactics used to silence the questioning.

I did a bit of a search and found three useful review papers.

the first is a high level article that talks about how viral respiratory infections in general, and covid 19 in particular, can cause heart complications
https://www.mdpi.com/2227-9059/11/1/71

the second is a review paper about myocarditis from covid 19 in particular
https://www.cardiacep.theclinics.com/article/S1877-9182(21)00111-8/fulltext

one takeaway from those is that generally heart related problems are more associated with people who have a severe course of disease - primarily older people.

so, i looked a bit more and found a third review paper which seems to be relevant to the discussions here, which is cardiac complications in low-risk patients (like kids). one observations from this review of the literature is that normal risk factors for heart disease (obesity, diabetes, etc) may not be good at predicting covid complications, which means myocarditis is "a genuine threat to younger adults without comorbidities."
https://www.mdpi.com/1999-4915/14/6/1322

what is interesting, and something i wasn't aware of, is that two of the more serious covid diseases in kids (PIMS and Kawasaki disease) appear to have ethnicity-related risk factors (black and hispanic for PIMS and asian for Kawasaki).

hope that is useful info for you.

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we know heart issues (i.e. myocarditis) are a rare side effect of both covid and the vaccine, albeit to varying extents. what makes people so sure these "died suddenly" incidents are related to long term side effects of the vaccine and not covid itself?

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It is not a side effect of the WuFlu.

You "vax" defenders just can't let go of that lie since it makes an excuse that the shots are no worse.

That settles it then. Everyone can now go ahead and forget about all the #diedsuddenly instances you see daily on your timelines and go boost themselves.

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so, i looked a bit more and found a third review paper which seems to be relevant to the discussions here, which is cardiac complications in low-risk patients (like kids). one observations from this review of the literature is that normal risk factors for heart disease (obesity, diabetes, etc) may not be good at predicting covid complications, which means myocarditis is "a genuine threat to younger adults without comorbidities."
https://www.mdpi.com/1999-4915/14/6/1322

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any insight on the incidence of myocarditis from the vaccine vs from covid? i recall from earlier in the pandemic evidence that the incidence was higher in the latter

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That settles it then. Everyone can now go ahead and forget about all the #diedsuddenly instances you see daily on your timelines and go boost themselves.

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baader meinhof

Isn't it funny that the same people that said therapeutics don't work, the non- vaxxed are killing us, take the jab or lose your job are the same ones now saying just because there is data showing increases in vaccine related problems, nothing to see here?

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Isn't it funny that the same people that said therapeutics don't work, the non- vaxxed are killing us, take the jab or lose your job are the same ones now saying just because there is data showing increases in vaccine related problems, nothing to see here?

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Not really. The leftists here will always take whatever position they think is the opposite of what conservatives here believe. They also are fully conditioned to accept whatever the government says is true, as long as it is a Democrat saying it. They are not capable of any independent thought.

They defend it knowing full well what the truth is. Good little soldiers.

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at this point most people in the US have probably had covid. most people have also gotten the covid vaccine. why the tendency to blame only the latter for these incidents?

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Good question. I've seen numbers that indicate the incidents began with Covid and accelerated with the vaccines. Several doctors have suggested the vaccine created spike proteins are more likely than the SARS Cov2 spike to produce cardiovascular events.

yes, unsurprisingly it seems to be a hot topic right now. tons of research being published.

here's a very long, very thorough, more-than-you-wanted-to-know kind of article
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/ejhf.2669

American Heart Assocition paper on it
https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/full/10.1161/CIRCULATIONAHA.122.059970

and a meta analysis
https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fcvm.2022.951314/full

in general, 7x risk of myocarditis from covid vs vaccine. however, it's a wash when you look at young men separately, and possibly inverted for the moderna vaccine in the second shot in young men (i.e., vaccine more likely than disease). absolute risk of either one is low. at their visits this year the pediatrician said if you were going to vaccinate, to space them out, and use pfizer vs moderna. my kids have already had covid at least once and probably twice, so i don't see the advantage in a vaccine for them.

to be clear, i think as we go on further there is a decreasing advantage to vaccinate or boost. paul offit had a nice perspective paper about this last week:
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp2215780

A bit of (dark) humor

Okay, this is just funny no matter your politics. https://t.co/Vkl8VO28LZ

— Scott Adams (@ScottAdamsSays) January 17, 2023

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A Houston radio station is mourning the loss of one of its beloved hosts. Randy Lemmon, a longtime host of the GardenLine program on NewsRadio 740 KTRH, died on Wednesday from complications due to a stroke, according to an announcement from the show on Facebook. Lemmon, 61, passed away at Mt. Sinai Hospital in New York City surrounded by his family.

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https://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/article/randy-lemon-gardening-17696297.php

As long as everyone keeps ignoring all who die suddenly and no studies are called for, we can just move along and assume it's just baader meinhof.

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Her sons grandmother took him to get the shot without mom’s permission so he could play sports. His school had mandated it. He now has heart damage and can’t play sports. Doc said he could have heart attack if he did.

*There are some F bombs in video…pic.twitter.com/07YMj9AxDU

— Nashville Angela (@angelanashtn) January 16, 2023

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"That is perfectly normal my brother in big pharma. Little kids have heart problems suddenly arise out of nowhere and can't play youth sports all the time. It is actually very normal, you just weren't paying attention." /fully vaxxed and boosted white liberal male feminists

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As long as everyone keeps ignoring all who die suddenly and no studies are called for, we can just move along and assume it's just baader meinhof.

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I don't get the reference to Baader Meinhof

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I sincerely hope not. I would guess at least 70% of the people I know got the vaccine because they were pressured, or are older than 60 and had been told for so long they were at risk and should get it...and I pretty much only associate with conservatives. Praying that things subside and don't get any worse.

F the "science" though...the "science" has been wrong way more often than it has been right these past few years, both when it comes to the manmade lab leaked virus and the vaccines. I am trusting my eyes on all of the stuff we are seeing lately. We are on our own when it comes to finding truth and good info. We are in uncharted territory and my worst fear (even moreso than the heart issues, which are relatively rare) is that this is wreaking havoc on peoples' immune systems, and that is only getting started.

Lastly, is Zobel fka Salute The Marines (Vaccine)??? Has to be, right? He always goaltended with an almost religious zeal.

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Isn't it funny that the same people that said therapeutics don't work, the non- vaxxed are killing us, take the jab or lose your job are the same ones now saying just because there is data showing increases in vaccine related problems, nothing to see here?

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Link to anyone on here saying this?

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I sincerely hope not. I would guess at least 70% of the people I know got the vaccine because they were pressured, or are older than 60 and had been told for so long they were at risk and should get it...and I pretty much only associate with conservatives. Praying that things subside and don't get any worse.

F the "science" though...the "science" has been wrong way more often than it has been right these past few years, both when it comes to the manmade lab leaked virus and the vaccines. I am trusting my eyes on all of the stuff we are seeing lately. We are on our own when it comes to finding truth and good info. We are in uncharted territory and my worst fear (even moreso than the heart issues, which are relatively rare) is that this is wreaking havoc on peoples' immune systems, and that is only getting started.

Lastly, is Zobel fka Salute The Marines (Vaccine)??? Has to be, right? He always goaltended with an almost religious zeal.

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TeslAg is STV, fyi.