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"It's a personality disorder...not a mental illness."

Sorry, that's utter bull***** To kill people, for no reason, is the literal definition of "crazy".

But, he's a lefty, so....craziness confirmed.

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See?

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You should probably change your screen name. Has to be pretty embarrassing to tell people you worked for the fbi. Almost as corrupt as career politicians.

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I have 3 friends who are FBI Agents...two of them I met at my church. All good people, salt of the Earth. Any claims they are corrupt are unwarranted.

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Then why have we not heard them speaking out about the FBI assisting the clinton campaign to promote the false russia narrative about Trump. You may need to choose your friends more wisely!

The liberals don't want you to mention mental illness. They want this to be straight up racism. Their trump card.

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/buffalo-shooter-white-supremacist-great-replacement-donald-trump-1353509/

The Buffalo Shooter Isn't a 'Lone Wolf.' He's a Mainstream Republican

The right-wing extremists who control the modern GOP are all gripped by a racist delusion. The shooter is just the latest to act on it.

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You should probably change your screen name. Has to be pretty embarrassing to tell people you worked for the fbi. Almost as corrupt as career politicians.

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I have 3 friends who are FBI Agents...two of them I met at my church. All good people, salt of the Earth. Any claims they are corrupt are unwarranted.

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Oh since you know three of them that means they aren't a corrupt organization? Hilarious

Peter Strox says hello you know the one was planning a coup

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Just responding to the insinuation that all FBI agents are corrupt.

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It's not the agents that are corrupt.

It's the AGENCY.

I know a couple of FBI guys as well. One from high school and one from college. They will both tell you the FBI is loaded with good a decent people. But the leadership is shady as F.

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Then you should ask them why they are not publicly calling out the corrupt organization they are part of for the gretchen whitmer false flag op.

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A personality disorder is a type of mental disorder in which you have a rigid and unhealthy pattern of thinking, functioning and behaving. A person with a personality disorder has trouble perceiving and relating to situations and people. This causes significant problems and limitations in relationships, social activities, work and school.

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https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/personality-disorders/symptoms-causes/syc-20354463

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Sorry, that's not gonna fly. I'm fully aware that personality disorders constitute disordered and unhealthy thinking, that's literally what I explained to you earlier. The definition you posted here is virtually verbatim what I've said in this thread. But I'm not going to allow you to pretend that this is what most people mean when they call mass shooters "crazy", because we both know it's not. And it's the height of dishonesty for you to now hijack the definition that I've provided you for your own benefit.

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Tell me oh mighty mind reader, what did I mean when I said they were mentally ill?

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laughably predictable how quickly the "false flag" talking points got circulated

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the NPCs got their talking points from TPUSA so now they're ready to go

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Hasn't read the manifesto at all

Just watches CNN scream racism

Accuses others of parroting talking points without thinking

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I was on /pol/ reading the manifesto yesterday you genius

4chan isn't some cool club on the dark side of the internet that you think it is

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And did you read where he claims to be an authoritarian leftist

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He claimed to be a fascist, but if you wanna ascribe wrong definitions to words, be my friend

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Wow, the ignorance of leftist and the irony of them calling others NPCs is just simply amazing.

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Let him answer my question that he and all the other leftists I've asked refuse to answer

Guess it's hard to look in the mirror and ask "gosh, what word WOULD describe the system we advocate for where the state daily demands more power for them, less freedom for us and that all non-government approved narratives be censored?!"

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The liberals don't want you to mention mental illness. They want this to be straight up racism. Their trump card.

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It doesn't really matter if it's racism or not. These motive in the shooters mind is relatively insignificant. In other words, regardless of why they justify it the behavior no one justification for this action is pervasive enough to warrant any action by society on that basis. If he's a racist, so what? What do we do about that? How many racists are going on shooting sprees? Or better yet, how many racists DONT? Because the answer to that question is "almost none".

What matters is the actual pathology that underlies most of these events, because that's how we can predict who will do this and how we might prevent it to whatever degree that's possible. And just calling them all "crazy" is not helpful because one, it's demonstrably untrue and two, even if it were there are a lot of different types of "crazy" and most don't lead to this.

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https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/personality-disorders/symptoms-causes/syc-20354463

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Sorry, that's not gonna fly. I'm fully aware that personality disorders constitute disordered and unhealthy thinking, that's literally what I explained to you earlier. The definition you posted here is virtually verbatim what I've said in this thread. But I'm not going to allow you to pretend that this is what most people mean when they call mass shooters "crazy", because we both know it's not. And it's the height of dishonesty for you to now hijack the definition that I've provided you for your own benefit.

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No, it's not and that is what makes you dangerous.

I clearly quoted exactly what you said and I didn't hijack any definitions. It's simply the first of many listed when I googled.

You're insufferable.

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A personality disorder is a type of mental disorder in which you have a rigid and unhealthy pattern of thinking, functioning and behaving. A person with a personality disorder has trouble perceiving and relating to situations and people. This causes significant problems and limitations in relationships, social activities, work and school.

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https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/personality-disorders/symptoms-causes/syc-20354463

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Sorry, that's not gonna fly. I'm fully aware that personality disorders constitute disordered and unhealthy thinking, that's literally what I explained to you earlier. The definition you posted here is virtually verbatim what I've said in this thread. But I'm not going to allow you to pretend that this is what most people mean when they call mass shooters "crazy", because we both know it's not. And it's the height of dishonesty for you to now hijack the definition that I've provided you for your own benefit.

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Tell me oh mighty mind reader, what did I mean when I said they were mentally ill?

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The same thing virtually everyone means when they refer to mass shooters as "crazy": The social recluse who lives largely online, spends his nights talking to the voices in his head and scribbling nonsense in a notebook, has at least one alien abduction story and wears tinfoil on his head on the rare occasion he goes outside.

You did not mean "someone who has fewer coping mechanisms and is less well adjusted than me". And to pretend now that's what you meant is, again, the height of intellectual dishonesty. You aren't fooling anyone.

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The liberals don't want you to mention mental illness. They want this to be straight up racism. Their trump card.

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It doesn't really matter if it's racism or not. These motive in the shooters mind is relatively insignificant. In other words, regardless of why they justify it the behavior no one justification for this action is pervasive enough to warrant any action by society on that basis. If he's a racist, so what? What do we do about that? How many racists are going on shooting sprees? Or better yet, how many racists DONT? Because the answer to that question is "almost none".

What matters is the actual pathology that underlies most of these events, because that's how we can predict who will do this and how we might prevent it to whatever degree that's possible. And just calling them all "crazy" is not helpful because one, it's demonstrably untrue and two, even if it were there are a lot of different types of "crazy" and most don't lead to this.

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I didn't call anybody crazy. When did you interview and diagnose the shooter? Thats what I thought.

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A personality disorder is a type of mental disorder in which you have a rigid and unhealthy pattern of thinking, functioning and behaving. A person with a personality disorder has trouble perceiving and relating to situations and people. This causes significant problems and limitations in relationships, social activities, work and school.

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https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/personality-disorders/symptoms-causes/syc-20354463

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Sorry, that's not gonna fly. I'm fully aware that personality disorders constitute disordered and unhealthy thinking, that's literally what I explained to you earlier. The definition you posted here is virtually verbatim what I've said in this thread. But I'm not going to allow you to pretend that this is what most people mean when they call mass shooters "crazy", because we both know it's not. And it's the height of dishonesty for you to now hijack the definition that I've provided you for your own benefit.

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No, it's not and that is what makes you dangerous.

I clearly quoted exactly what you said and I didn't hijack any definitions. It's simply the first of many listed when I googled.

You're insufferable.

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You posted a link to a definition that is reflective of the one I gave you and trying to pretend those definitions align with what you meant by "crazy" at the start of this discussion. We both know the guy who lacks empathy and doesn't deal with stressors as well as others is NOT what you and others meant, nor does that constitute clinical mental illness.

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https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/buffalo-shooter-white-supremacist-great-replacement-donald-trump-1353509/

The Buffalo Shooter Isn't a 'Lone Wolf.' He's a Mainstream Republican

The right-wing extremists who control the modern GOP are all gripped by a racist delusion. The shooter is just the latest to act on it.

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Shocked that this fine specimen would think that

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A personality disorder is a type of mental disorder in which you have a rigid and unhealthy pattern of thinking, functioning and behaving. A person with a personality disorder has trouble perceiving and relating to situations and people. This causes significant problems and limitations in relationships, social activities, work and school.

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https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/personality-disorders/symptoms-causes/syc-20354463

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Sorry, that's not gonna fly. I'm fully aware that personality disorders constitute disordered and unhealthy thinking, that's literally what I explained to you earlier. The definition you posted here is virtually verbatim what I've said in this thread. But I'm not going to allow you to pretend that this is what most people mean when they call mass shooters "crazy", because we both know it's not. And it's the height of dishonesty for you to now hijack the definition that I've provided you for your own benefit.

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Tell me oh mighty mind reader, what did I mean when I said they were mentally ill?

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The same thing virtually everyone means when they refer to mass shooters as "crazy": The social recluse who lives largely online, spends his nights talking to the voices in his head and scribbling nonsense in a notebook, has at least one alien abduction story and wears tinfoil on his head on the rare occasion he goes outside.

You did not mean "someone who has fewer coping mechanisms and is less well adjusted than me". And to pretend now that's what you meant is, again, the height of intellectual dishonesty. You aren't fooling anyone.

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Wow, thanks for in fact confirming you can't read minds.

I would have called him a *****zo if I thought he was hearing voices. But ignore the fact this dude apparently got "radicalized on 4chan", I bet the online world was more important to him than the real world. I was picturing more a trouble teen that had repeated violent outbursts, ala parkland shooter. Maybe a bit more paranoid, definitely lower 20% of status at his high school who viewed this as a way to be remembered.

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A personality disorder is a type of mental disorder in which you have a rigid and unhealthy pattern of thinking, functioning and behaving. A person with a personality disorder has trouble perceiving and relating to situations and people. This causes significant problems and limitations in relationships, social activities, work and school.

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https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/personality-disorders/symptoms-causes/syc-20354463

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Sorry, that's not gonna fly. I'm fully aware that personality disorders constitute disordered and unhealthy thinking, that's literally what I explained to you earlier. The definition you posted here is virtually verbatim what I've said in this thread. But I'm not going to allow you to pretend that this is what most people mean when they call mass shooters "crazy", because we both know it's not. And it's the height of dishonesty for you to now hijack the definition that I've provided you for your own benefit.

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No, it's not and that is what makes you dangerous.

I clearly quoted exactly what you said and I didn't hijack any definitions. It's simply the first of many listed when I googled.

You're insufferable.

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You posted a link to a definition that is reflective of the one I gave you and trying to pretend those definitions align with what you meant by "crazy" at the start of this discussion. We both know the guy who lacks empathy and doesn't deal with stressors as well as others is NOT what you and others meant, nor does that constitute clinical mental illness.

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It is not reflective of your definition, it's contradictory of your definition. You clearly stated that theirs a difference between a personality disorder and a mental illness, when multiple sites said the same thing. Give up.

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A personality disorder is a type of mental disorder in which you have a rigid and unhealthy pattern of thinking, functioning and behaving. A person with a personality disorder has trouble perceiving and relating to situations and people. This causes significant problems and limitations in relationships, social activities, work and school.

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https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/personality-disorders/symptoms-causes/syc-20354463

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Sorry, that's not gonna fly. I'm fully aware that personality disorders constitute disordered and unhealthy thinking, that's literally what I explained to you earlier. The definition you posted here is virtually verbatim what I've said in this thread. But I'm not going to allow you to pretend that this is what most people mean when they call mass shooters "crazy", because we both know it's not. And it's the height of dishonesty for you to now hijack the definition that I've provided you for your own benefit.

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Tell me oh mighty mind reader, what did I mean when I said they were mentally ill?

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The same thing virtually everyone means when they refer to mass shooters as "crazy": The social recluse who lives largely online, spends his nights talking to the voices in his head and scribbling nonsense in a notebook, has at least one alien abduction story and wears tinfoil on his head on the rare occasion he goes outside.

You did not mean "someone who has fewer coping mechanisms and is less well adjusted than me". And to pretend now that's what you meant is, again, the height of intellectual dishonesty. You aren't fooling anyone.

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Wow, thanks for in fact confirming you can't read minds.

I would have called him a *****zo if I thought he was hearing voices. But ignore the fact this dude apparently got "radicalized on 4chan", I bet the online world was more important to him than the real world. I was picturing more a trouble teen that had repeated violent outbursts, ala parkland shooter. Maybe a bit more paranoid, definitely lower 20% of status at his high school who viewed this as a way to be remembered.

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Sure, but is that person "crazy"? Not by any mainstream scientific or psychosocial definition. We literally ALL know someone like that. And most of those people don't ever go on shooting sprees.

This kid CLEARLY knew exactly what he was doing based on his writings. He appears coherent and competent and openly acknowledges the carnage he intended to inflict. He even says what he is doing is "justified evil". Nothing about what he wrote indicates he was "crazy".

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It doesn't really matter if it's racism or not. These motive in the shooters mind is relatively insignificant. In other words, regardless of why they justify it the behavior no one justification for this action is pervasive enough to warrant any action by society on that basis. If he's a racist, so what? What do we do about that? How many racists are going on shooting sprees? Or better yet, how many racists DONT? Because the answer to that question is "almost none".

What matters is the actual pathology that underlies most of these events, because that's how we can predict who will do this and how we might prevent it to whatever degree that's possible. And just calling them all "crazy" is not helpful because one, it's demonstrably untrue and two, even if it were there are a lot of different types of "crazy" and most don't lead to this.

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That won't fly as you say. I feel he did have some degree of mental illness. I didn't diagnose him any more than you did.

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https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/buffalo-shooter-white-supremacist-great-replacement-donald-trump-1353509/

The Buffalo Shooter Isn't a 'Lone Wolf.' He's a Mainstream Republican

The right-wing extremists who control the modern GOP are all gripped by a racist delusion. The shooter is just the latest to act on it.

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Shocked that this fine specimen would think that

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She already had the article written. Just had to insert specific details.

And of course Rolling Stone is below the sewer when it comes to journalist integrity. I'm sure everyone remembers their fake rape story which the entire media ran with and caused universities to bend over backwards to address "rape culture."

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A personality disorder is a type of mental disorder in which you have a rigid and unhealthy pattern of thinking, functioning and behaving. A person with a personality disorder has trouble perceiving and relating to situations and people. This causes significant problems and limitations in relationships, social activities, work and school.

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https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/personality-disorders/symptoms-causes/syc-20354463

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Sorry, that's not gonna fly. I'm fully aware that personality disorders constitute disordered and unhealthy thinking, that's literally what I explained to you earlier. The definition you posted here is virtually verbatim what I've said in this thread. But I'm not going to allow you to pretend that this is what most people mean when they call mass shooters "crazy", because we both know it's not. And it's the height of dishonesty for you to now hijack the definition that I've provided you for your own benefit.

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Tell me oh mighty mind reader, what did I mean when I said they were mentally ill?

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The same thing virtually everyone means when they refer to mass shooters as "crazy": The social recluse who lives largely online, spends his nights talking to the voices in his head and scribbling nonsense in a notebook, has at least one alien abduction story and wears tinfoil on his head on the rare occasion he goes outside.

You did not mean "someone who has fewer coping mechanisms and is less well adjusted than me". And to pretend now that's what you meant is, again, the height of intellectual dishonesty. You aren't fooling anyone.

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Wow, thanks for in fact confirming you can't read minds.

I would have called him a *****zo if I thought he was hearing voices. But ignore the fact this dude apparently got "radicalized on 4chan", I bet the online world was more important to him than the real world. I was picturing more a trouble teen that had repeated violent outbursts, ala parkland shooter. Maybe a bit more paranoid, definitely lower 20% of status at his high school who viewed this as a way to be remembered.

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Sure, but is that person "crazy"? Not by any mainstream scientific or psychosocial definition. We literally ALL know someone like that. And most of those people don't ever go on shooting sprees.

This kid CLEARLY knew exactly what he was doing based on his writings. He appears coherent and competent and openly acknowledges the carnage he intended to inflict. He even says what he is doing is "justified evil". Nothing about what he wrote indicates he was "crazy".

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Yes I view having a personality disorder as crazy. Maybe you can function in society, maybe you snap and murder someone in cold blood.

Never said they were so mentally ill that they were incoherent or had no responsibility for their actions. I'm not going to put people who there there is "justified evil" into the ~he is just your average well-adjusted republican (or democrat)~ bucket.

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A personality disorder is a type of mental disorder in which you have a rigid and unhealthy pattern of thinking, functioning and behaving. A person with a personality disorder has trouble perceiving and relating to situations and people. This causes significant problems and limitations in relationships, social activities, work and school.

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https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/personality-disorders/symptoms-causes/syc-20354463

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Sorry, that's not gonna fly. I'm fully aware that personality disorders constitute disordered and unhealthy thinking, that's literally what I explained to you earlier. The definition you posted here is virtually verbatim what I've said in this thread. But I'm not going to allow you to pretend that this is what most people mean when they call mass shooters "crazy", because we both know it's not. And it's the height of dishonesty for you to now hijack the definition that I've provided you for your own benefit.

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No, it's not and that is what makes you dangerous.

I clearly quoted exactly what you said and I didn't hijack any definitions. It's simply the first of many listed when I googled.

You're insufferable.

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You posted a link to a definition that is reflective of the one I gave you and trying to pretend those definitions align with what you meant by "crazy" at the start of this discussion. We both know the guy who lacks empathy and doesn't deal with stressors as well as others is NOT what you and others meant, nor does that constitute clinical mental illness.

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It is not reflective of your definition, it's contradictory of your definition. You clearly stated that theirs a difference between a personality disorder and a mental illness, when multiple sites said the same thing. Give up.

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Personality disorders are fundamentally immutable characteristics that deviate from the baseline human norm relative to the society in which the person resides. They essentially represents variations of human cognitive norms. For al intents and purposes these traits are not "treatable" in the way that Bipolar disorder, schizophrenia, etc. are. These are variations of brain chemistry, not baseline characteristics that are simply varying degrees of abnormal. Personality disorders as a class exist only because we recognize them as deviations from the norm and not because they are diseases. They are not diseases in the same way having a horseshoe kidney is not a disease.

When most people say "crazy", in their mind they are picturing people who hallucinate, hear voices and operate in a disordered and objectively false version of reality. This is fundementally different from deviations of normal thought and behavior.

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A personality disorder is a type of mental disorder in which you have a rigid and unhealthy pattern of thinking, functioning and behaving. A person with a personality disorder has trouble perceiving and relating to situations and people. This causes significant problems and limitations in relationships, social activities, work and school.

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https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/personality-disorders/symptoms-causes/syc-20354463

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Sorry, that's not gonna fly. I'm fully aware that personality disorders constitute disordered and unhealthy thinking, that's literally what I explained to you earlier. The definition you posted here is virtually verbatim what I've said in this thread. But I'm not going to allow you to pretend that this is what most people mean when they call mass shooters "crazy", because we both know it's not. And it's the height of dishonesty for you to now hijack the definition that I've provided you for your own benefit.

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Tell me oh mighty mind reader, what did I mean when I said they were mentally ill?

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The same thing virtually everyone means when they refer to mass shooters as "crazy": The social recluse who lives largely online, spends his nights talking to the voices in his head and scribbling nonsense in a notebook, has at least one alien abduction story and wears tinfoil on his head on the rare occasion he goes outside.

You did not mean "someone who has fewer coping mechanisms and is less well adjusted than me". And to pretend now that's what you meant is, again, the height of intellectual dishonesty. You aren't fooling anyone.

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Wow, thanks for in fact confirming you can't read minds.

I would have called him a *****zo if I thought he was hearing voices. But ignore the fact this dude apparently got "radicalized on 4chan", I bet the online world was more important to him than the real world. I was picturing more a trouble teen that had repeated violent outbursts, ala parkland shooter. Maybe a bit more paranoid, definitely lower 20% of status at his high school who viewed this as a way to be remembered.

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Sure, but is that person "crazy"? Not by any mainstream scientific or psychosocial definition. We literally ALL know someone like that. And most of those people don't ever go on shooting sprees.

This kid CLEARLY knew exactly what he was doing based on his writings. He appears coherent and competent and openly acknowledges the carnage he intended to inflict. He even says what he is doing is "justified evil". Nothing about what he wrote indicates he was "crazy".

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Yes I view having a personality disorder as crazy. Maybe you can function in society, maybe you snap and murder someone in cold blood.

Never said they were so mentally ill that they were incoherent or had no responsibility for their actions. I'm not going to put people who there there is "justified evil" into the ~he is just your average well-adjusted republican (or democrat)~ bucket.

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10-15% of people in the western world have some sort of personality disorder.

I think we're venturing into the realm of silliness if we're labeling 30-45 million Americans as "crazy". The term then fails to mean anything.

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A personality disorder is a type of mental disorder in which you have a rigid and unhealthy pattern of thinking, functioning and behaving. A person with a personality disorder has trouble perceiving and relating to situations and people. This causes significant problems and limitations in relationships, social activities, work and school.

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https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/personality-disorders/symptoms-causes/syc-20354463

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Sorry, that's not gonna fly. I'm fully aware that personality disorders constitute disordered and unhealthy thinking, that's literally what I explained to you earlier. The definition you posted here is virtually verbatim what I've said in this thread. But I'm not going to allow you to pretend that this is what most people mean when they call mass shooters "crazy", because we both know it's not. And it's the height of dishonesty for you to now hijack the definition that I've provided you for your own benefit.

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Tell me oh mighty mind reader, what did I mean when I said they were mentally ill?

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The same thing virtually everyone means when they refer to mass shooters as "crazy": The social recluse who lives largely online, spends his nights talking to the voices in his head and scribbling nonsense in a notebook, has at least one alien abduction story and wears tinfoil on his head on the rare occasion he goes outside.

You did not mean "someone who has fewer coping mechanisms and is less well adjusted than me". And to pretend now that's what you meant is, again, the height of intellectual dishonesty. You aren't fooling anyone.

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Wow, thanks for in fact confirming you can't read minds.

I would have called him a *****zo if I thought he was hearing voices. But ignore the fact this dude apparently got "radicalized on 4chan", I bet the online world was more important to him than the real world. I was picturing more a trouble teen that had repeated violent outbursts, ala parkland shooter. Maybe a bit more paranoid, definitely lower 20% of status at his high school who viewed this as a way to be remembered.

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Sure, but is that person "crazy"? Not by any mainstream scientific or psychosocial definition. We literally ALL know someone like that. And most of those people don't ever go on shooting sprees.

This kid CLEARLY knew exactly what he was doing based on his writings. He appears coherent and competent and openly acknowledges the carnage he intended to inflict. He even says what he is doing is "justified evil". Nothing about what he wrote indicates he was "crazy".

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Yes I view having a personality disorder as crazy. Maybe you can function in society, maybe you snap and murder someone in cold blood.

Never said they were so mentally ill that they were incoherent or had no responsibility for their actions. I'm not going to put people who there there is "justified evil" into the ~he is just your average well-adjusted republican (or democrat)~ bucket.

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10-15% of people in the western world have some sort of personality disorder.

I think we're venturing into the realm of silliness if we're labeling 30-45 million Americans as "crazy". The term then fails to mean anything.

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Sounds like a head doctor problem where they label way too many people. Maybe the profession should work on cleaning up that language?

Buffalo shooter wrote the names of Waukesha victims on his barrel guard.

Virginia Sorenson is pretty clear. #Buffalo #BuffaloNY pic.twitter.com/LuAwEPqGtN

— Empowerfy (@empowerfy) May 14, 2022

Connection to massacre in Waukesha?

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Funky Winkerbean said:

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This is a personality disorder however, not a mental illness

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A personality disorder is a type of mental disorder in which you have a rigid and unhealthy pattern of thinking, functioning and behaving. A person with a personality disorder has trouble perceiving and relating to situations and people. This causes significant problems and limitations in relationships, social activities, work and school.

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https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/personality-disorders/symptoms-causes/syc-20354463

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Sorry, that's not gonna fly. I'm fully aware that personality disorders constitute disordered and unhealthy thinking, that's literally what I explained to you earlier. The definition you posted here is virtually verbatim what I've said in this thread. But I'm not going to allow you to pretend that this is what most people mean when they call mass shooters "crazy", because we both know it's not. And it's the height of dishonesty for you to now hijack the definition that I've provided you for your own benefit.

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Tell me oh mighty mind reader, what did I mean when I said they were mentally ill?

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The same thing virtually everyone means when they refer to mass shooters as "crazy": The social recluse who lives largely online, spends his nights talking to the voices in his head and scribbling nonsense in a notebook, has at least one alien abduction story and wears tinfoil on his head on the rare occasion he goes outside.

You did not mean "someone who has fewer coping mechanisms and is less well adjusted than me". And to pretend now that's what you meant is, again, the height of intellectual dishonesty. You aren't fooling anyone.

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Wow, thanks for in fact confirming you can't read minds.

I would have called him a *****zo if I thought he was hearing voices. But ignore the fact this dude apparently got "radicalized on 4chan", I bet the online world was more important to him than the real world. I was picturing more a trouble teen that had repeated violent outbursts, ala parkland shooter. Maybe a bit more paranoid, definitely lower 20% of status at his high school who viewed this as a way to be remembered.

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Sure, but is that person "crazy"? Not by any mainstream scientific or psychosocial definition. We literally ALL know someone like that. And most of those people don't ever go on shooting sprees.

This kid CLEARLY knew exactly what he was doing based on his writings. He appears coherent and competent and openly acknowledges the carnage he intended to inflict. He even says what he is doing is "justified evil". Nothing about what he wrote indicates he was "crazy".

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Yes I view having a personality disorder as crazy. Maybe you can function in society, maybe you snap and murder someone in cold blood.

Never said they were so mentally ill that they were incoherent or had no responsibility for their actions. I'm not going to put people who there there is "justified evil" into the ~he is just your average well-adjusted republican (or democrat)~ bucket.

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10-15% of people in the western world have some sort of personality disorder.

I think we're venturing into the realm of silliness if we're labeling 30-45 million Americans as "crazy". The term then fails to mean anything.

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Sounds like a head doctor problem where they label way too many people. Maybe the profession should work on cleaning up that language?

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On this we absolutely agree. For far too long psychiatry has attempted to pathologize deviations from human norms.

Only on the extreme end of the personality "disorder" spectrum should we be discussing these deviations in a psychiatric sense. The labels are far too broad, and that's really part of my point. Some of these mass shooters deviate very mildly from mainstream American society.

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https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/buffalo-shooter-white-supremacist-great-replacement-donald-trump-1353509/

The Buffalo Shooter Isn't a 'Lone Wolf.' He's a Mainstream Republican

The right-wing extremists who control the modern GOP are all gripped by a racist delusion. The shooter is just the latest to act on it.

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Question for leftists on here who agree with this article:

The black nationalist who mowed down innocent women and children at a Christmas parade because of his self professed hatred for whites: was he a mainstream Democrat gripped a racist delusion?

Please show your work in your answer

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If we're demanding work, go ahead and post the proof that it was a racially motivated attack. Preferably something from a site with a little more credibility than the NYPost.

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You should probably change your screen name. Has to be pretty embarrassing to tell people you worked for the fbi. Almost as corrupt as career politicians.

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I have 3 friends who are FBI Agents...two of them I met at my church. All good people, salt of the Earth. Any claims they are corrupt are unwarranted.

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Oh since you know three of them that means they aren't a corrupt organization? Hilarious

Peter Strox says hello you know the one was planning a coup

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Just responding to the insinuation that all FBI agents are corrupt.

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It's not the agents that are corrupt.

It's the AGENCY.

I know a couple of FBI guys as well. One from high school and one from college. They will both tell you the FBI is loaded with good a decent people. But the leadership is shady as F.

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Then you should ask them why they are not publicly calling out the corrupt organization they are part of for the gretchen whitmer false flag op.

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You know why.

The same reason our SOF guys come home after multiple deployments-- seeing the inside of the lions den of corruption, and bide their time-- to get their 20 and their pension and Tri-care.

Rock the boat and you'll get a DD. Nobody that's spent nearly 2 decades working toward that pension is going to step out of line.

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This is a personality disorder however, not a mental illness

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A personality disorder is a type of mental disorder in which you have a rigid and unhealthy pattern of thinking, functioning and behaving. A person with a personality disorder has trouble perceiving and relating to situations and people. This causes significant problems and limitations in relationships, social activities, work and school.

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https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/personality-disorders/symptoms-causes/syc-20354463

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Sorry, that's not gonna fly. I'm fully aware that personality disorders constitute disordered and unhealthy thinking, that's literally what I explained to you earlier. The definition you posted here is virtually verbatim what I've said in this thread. But I'm not going to allow you to pretend that this is what most people mean when they call mass shooters "crazy", because we both know it's not. And it's the height of dishonesty for you to now hijack the definition that I've provided you for your own benefit.

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Tell me oh mighty mind reader, what did I mean when I said they were mentally ill?

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The same thing virtually everyone means when they refer to mass shooters as "crazy": The social recluse who lives largely online, spends his nights talking to the voices in his head and scribbling nonsense in a notebook, has at least one alien abduction story and wears tinfoil on his head on the rare occasion he goes outside.

You did not mean "someone who has fewer coping mechanisms and is less well adjusted than me". And to pretend now that's what you meant is, again, the height of intellectual dishonesty. You aren't fooling anyone.

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Wow, thanks for in fact confirming you can't read minds.

I would have called him a *****zo if I thought he was hearing voices. But ignore the fact this dude apparently got "radicalized on 4chan", I bet the online world was more important to him than the real world. I was picturing more a trouble teen that had repeated violent outbursts, ala parkland shooter. Maybe a bit more paranoid, definitely lower 20% of status at his high school who viewed this as a way to be remembered.

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Sure, but is that person "crazy"? Not by any mainstream scientific or psychosocial definition. We literally ALL know someone like that. And most of those people don't ever go on shooting sprees.

This kid CLEARLY knew exactly what he was doing based on his writings. He appears coherent and competent and openly acknowledges the carnage he intended to inflict. He even says what he is doing is "justified evil". Nothing about what he wrote indicates he was "crazy".

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Yes I view having a personality disorder as crazy. Maybe you can function in society, maybe you snap and murder someone in cold blood.

Never said they were so mentally ill that they were incoherent or had no responsibility for their actions. I'm not going to put people who there there is "justified evil" into the ~he is just your average well-adjusted republican (or democrat)~ bucket.

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10-15% of people in the western world have some sort of personality disorder.

I think we're venturing into the realm of silliness if we're labeling 30-45 million Americans as "crazy". The term then fails to mean anything.

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Nah 10% seems about right.

But its a disingenuous argument, because you can toss out the personality disorders that don't increase the likelihood of harming others. That 10% contains OCD people which have near 0 risk of snapping an going postal. Still think they are crazy.

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There's a great YouTube video I've watched about how "mental illness" is way over-attributed to mass shooters. More often than not, they are NOT mentally ill. Nikolas Cruz was not mentally ill but tried to fake it in the interrogation room. They compared it to another shooter who showed clear signs of mental illness, according to experts on the subject.

Let me see if I can find it and share it. Based on everything we've seen so far I'd wager this POS in buffalo was not mentally ill, but an avowed white supremacist racist driven by hatred. He also is probably an idiot.

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He tortured a cat for an hour with a knife before beheading it. His mom gave him a box to bury it. Pretty sure this guy was always going to be some sort of serial killer.

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https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/buffalo-shooter-white-supremacist-great-replacement-donald-trump-1353509/

The Buffalo Shooter Isn't a 'Lone Wolf.' He's a Mainstream Republican

The right-wing extremists who control the modern GOP are all gripped by a racist delusion. The shooter is just the latest to act on it.

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Question for leftists on here who agree with this article:

The black nationalist who mowed down innocent women and children at a Christmas parade because of his self professed hatred for whites: was he a mainstream Democrat gripped a racist delusion?

Please show your work in your answer

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If we're demanding work, go ahead and post the proof that it was a racially motivated attack. Preferably something from a site with a little more credibility than the NYPost.

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Dude drove through the crowd two days after the Rittenhouse verdict...

Now why would a black nationalist plow into a crowd of white people right after than news?

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There's a great YouTube video I've watched about how "mental illness" is way over-attributed to mass shooters. More often than not, they are NOT mentally ill. Nikolas Cruz was not mentally ill but tried to fake it in the interrogation room. They compared it to another shooter who showed clear signs of mental illness, according to experts on the subject.

Let me see if I can find it and share it. Based on everything we've seen so far I'd wager this POS in buffalo was not mentally ill, but an avowed white supremacist racist driven by hatred. He also is probably an idiot.

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He tortured a cat for an hour with a knife before beheading it. His mom gave him a box to bury it. Pretty sure this guy was always going to be some sort of serial killer.

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Isn't that a federal crime now?