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Assuming this is not a false flag....

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What made you change your mind this is now not a false flag?

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Could be false flag, could be FBI stooge, could be real. Any of those would be realistic.

I think the exposure that he was a crazy person and not a consistent ideologue from one side of politics or the other pretty much has everyone looking to exploit the evil of this crazy person expressing reservations now.

Jordan Peterson points this out a lot: children, boys particularly, that aren't properly socialized by age 4 are permanently socially crippled through the rest of their childhood and young adulthood and a large portion of them manifest sociopathic behaviors, especially if they already have true psychopathic tendencies. They're pretty much destructive time bombs waiting to do terrible crime, or wanting to, until they mellow out and lose young impulsiveness around age 30. These kids that don't get properly socialized between age 2 and 4 are pretty much ruined children and need to be carefully handled from then on.

Marcus Brutus said:

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Marcus Brutus said:

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Assuming this is not a false flag....

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What made you change your mind this is now not a false flag?

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Could be false flag, could be FBI stooge, could be real. Any of those would be realistic.

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Right. Endless possibilities. He could be an alien.

But what changed your opinion in the last ~24 hours?

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JUST IN: President Biden will visit Buffalo on Tuesday. There's no word yet on when he will visit Waukesha, WI or Orange County, CA or Brooklyn, NY.

— toddstarnes (@toddstarnes) May 15, 2022

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Can't pass up a media opportunity to blame guns and Whitey again. I don't remember him making a visit to the Waukesha massacre or did he?

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They will have him recite the standard pre-programed lines.

White men bad
Ban guns
Ban "hate speech" (aka censorship of anything the left doesn't like)

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Don't forget "Common sense [gun control, social media monitoring, survailence of people, buyback of 'high capacity magazines', restrictions on 'weapons of war', registration of firearms]"

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Could be false flag, could be FBI stooge, could be real. Any of those would be realistic.

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The FBI pumped this koo koo commie up to shoot mostly 50+ year old people?

Roberta A. Drury, 32, of Buffalo
Margus D. Morrison, 52, of Buffalo
Andre Mackneil, 53, of Auburn, New York
Aaron Salter, 55, of Lockport, New York
Geraldine Talley, 62, of Buffalo
Celestine Chaney, 65, of Buffalo
Heyward Patterson, 67, of Buffalo
Katherine Massey, 72, of Buffalo
Pearl Young, 77, of Buffalo
Ruth Whitfield, 86, of Buffalo
Zaire Goodman, 20, of Buffalo, was treated and released from hospital
Jennifer Warrington, 50, of Tonawanda, New York, was treated and released from hospital
Christopher Braden, 55, of Lackawanna, New York, had non-life-threatening injuries

SMH....

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You think its out of the realm of possibility?

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We are ruled over by commies. Commies don't want us having guns. They also want us fighting eachother and not correctly identifying them as the actual threat.

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Yeah, divide and conquer is how they roll.
Explain "Could be false flag, could be FBI stooge"

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The manifesto glows brighter than the sun.

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Ok, please explain how "Could be false flag, could be FBI stooge".

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You think its out of the realm of possibility?

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We are ruled over by commies. Commies don't want us having guns. They also want us fighting eachother and not correctly identifying them as the actual threat.

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Yeah, divide and conquer is how they roll.
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The manifesto glows brighter than the sun.

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Ok, please explain how "Could be false flag, could be FBI stooge".

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Mental case goes to 4chan and ****posts about rightwing talking points. FBI identifies this individual and goads him in to action by further radicalizing him.

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laughably predictable how quickly the "false flag" talking points got circulated

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the NPCs got their talking points from TPUSA so now they're ready to go

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Hasn't read the manifesto at all

Just watches CNN scream racism

Accuses others of parroting talking points without thinking

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I was on /pol/ reading the manifesto yesterday you genius

4chan isn't some cool club on the dark side of the internet that you think it is

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And did you read where he claims to be an authoritarian leftist

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He claimed to be a fascist, but if you wanna ascribe wrong definitions to words, be my friend

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Wow, the ignorance of leftist and the irony of them calling others NPCs is just simply amazing.

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I glad it amazes you

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Mental case goes to 4chan and ****posts about rightwing talking points. FBI identifies this individual and goads him in to action by further radicalizing him.

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Great!
Please post your evidence of this.

A white gunman, 18-year-old Payton Gendron, killed 10 people and wounded three others Saturday, police said, after he drove to a Tops Friendly Markets store from out of town and opened fire. The suspect started shooting in the store's parking lot and then inside the store. Eleven of the people shot were Black and two were white.

Law-enforcement officials are citing a document police have linked to the alleged shooter, identified Saturday as Payton Gendron, an 18-year-old from Conklin, N.Y. The document details a planned mass shooting similar to what occurred on Saturday, including the writer's goal of killing as many Black people as possible, according to officials.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/buffalo-shooting-new-york-payton-gendron-11652629563

Payton Gendron knew exactly what he was doing and why he was doing it. He planned the attack very meticulously and wrote a lengthy manifesto explaining his motivations in detail. "Mental illness" is a pathetic attempt at deflection.

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A white gunman, 18-year-old Payton Gendron, killed 10 people and wounded three others Saturday, police said, after he drove to a Tops Friendly Markets store from out of town and opened fire. The suspect started shooting in the store's parking lot and then inside the store. Eleven of the people shot were Black and two were white.

Law-enforcement officials are citing a document police have linked to the alleged shooter, identified Saturday as Payton Gendron, an 18-year-old from Conklin, N.Y. The document details a planned mass shooting similar to what occurred on Saturday, including the writer's goal of killing as many Black people as possible, according to officials.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/buffalo-shooting-new-york-payton-gendron-11652629563

Payton Gendron knew exactly what he was doing and why he was doing it. He planned the attack very meticulously and wrote a lengthy manifesto explaining his motivations in detail. "Mental illness" is a pathetic attempt at deflection.

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Pointing out the guy had already threatened a mass shooting, had been investigated by the police, was known to have mental problems including torturing animals, and was hospitalized because of it is not deflection.

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Was he on SSRI's?

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A white gunman, 18-year-old Payton Gendron, killed 10 people and wounded three others Saturday, police said, after he drove to a Tops Friendly Markets store from out of town and opened fire. The suspect started shooting in the store's parking lot and then inside the store. Eleven of the people shot were Black and two were white.

Law-enforcement officials are citing a document police have linked to the alleged shooter, identified Saturday as Payton Gendron, an 18-year-old from Conklin, N.Y. The document details a planned mass shooting similar to what occurred on Saturday, including the writer's goal of killing as many Black people as possible, according to officials.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/buffalo-shooting-new-york-payton-gendron-11652629563

Payton Gendron knew exactly what he was doing and why he was doing it. He planned the attack very meticulously and wrote a lengthy manifesto explaining his motivations in detail. "Mental illness" is a pathetic attempt at deflection.

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I don't really see your point. One of these events could happen every single day for the next 10 years, and the lives lost would still be worth nothing compared to the value of the First Amendment, the Second Amendment, and the rest of the bill of rights. Freedom must be preserved, and no price is too high.

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A white gunman, 18-year-old Payton Gendron, killed 10 people and wounded three others Saturday, police said, after he drove to a Tops Friendly Markets store from out of town and opened fire. The suspect started shooting in the store's parking lot and then inside the store. Eleven of the people shot were Black and two were white.

Law-enforcement officials are citing a document police have linked to the alleged shooter, identified Saturday as Payton Gendron, an 18-year-old from Conklin, N.Y. The document details a planned mass shooting similar to what occurred on Saturday, including the writer's goal of killing as many Black people as possible, according to officials.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/buffalo-shooting-new-york-payton-gendron-11652629563

Payton Gendron knew exactly what he was doing and why he was doing it. He planned the attack very meticulously and wrote a lengthy manifesto explaining his motivations in detail. "Mental illness" is a pathetic attempt at deflection.

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The manifesto could be incoherent and deranged. He might not be schizophrenic. He might be sociopathic and highly susceptible to various extreme ideologies that rationalize his nihilism or give his anger at fate a purpose. He can be a maladjusted sociopath without being excusably detached from reality mentally ill.

Nothing excuses his actions but his motivations might not be so simple or even one sided. Apparently his manifesto is rage from all sorts of extremes of a nobody looking for purpose and attention.

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A white gunman, 18-year-old Payton Gendron, killed 10 people and wounded three others Saturday, police said, after he drove to a Tops Friendly Markets store from out of town and opened fire. The suspect started shooting in the store's parking lot and then inside the store. Eleven of the people shot were Black and two were white.

Law-enforcement officials are citing a document police have linked to the alleged shooter, identified Saturday as Payton Gendron, an 18-year-old from Conklin, N.Y. The document details a planned mass shooting similar to what occurred on Saturday, including the writer's goal of killing as many Black people as possible, according to officials.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/buffalo-shooting-new-york-payton-gendron-11652629563

Payton Gendron knew exactly what he was doing and why he was doing it. He planned the attack very meticulously and wrote a lengthy manifesto explaining his motivations in detail. "Mental illness" is a pathetic attempt at deflection.

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Pointing out the guy had already threatened a mass shooting, had been investigated by the police, was known to have mental problems including torturing animals, and was hospitalized because of it is not deflection.

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Was he on SSRI's?

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No one has said, but it would be absolutely no surprise if he was. Most of the young mass shooters are.

The Buffalo shooter chose the location of the attack since he knew there were strict gun laws and people wouldn't be able to defend themselves. This is straight from his manifesto that the left won't share or show you because they know it'll destroy their gun control narrative! pic.twitter.com/bOxXS8GfN0

— Steven Crowder (@scrowder) May 16, 2022

Out a curiosity, would you have classified Ted Bundy and John Wayne Gacy is mentally ill or just sadistic?

.@DAErieCountyNY John Flynn says the defense attorney for the shooter has withdrawn the request for a forensic mental evaluation on their client. “The mental health part of his has now become a moot point and is off the table,” Flynn says

— Dave Greber (@DaveGreber4) May 16, 2022

Doocy: “How come Biden is visiting Buffalo but didn't visit Waukesha?”

Jean-Pierre: "He is able to go to Buffalo... He has visited many other communities. Buffalo is not the first one he's visited." pic.twitter.com/18SfxNFqjT

— Daily Caller (@DailyCaller) May 16, 2022

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Out a curiosity, would you have classified Ted Bundy and John Wayne Gacy is mentally ill or just sadistic?

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Out a curiosity, would you have classified Ted Bundy and John Wayne Gacy is mentally ill or just sadistic?

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Which?

Both or just one?

Wow Stafloka posted outline of direct quotes showing the shooter is a racist Democrat just disappeared.

Media is not the lackeys, the spoonfed lemmings lapping up MSM marching orders.


I can hear the nom nom nom right now.

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Wow Stafloka posted outline of direct quotes showing the shooter is a racist Democrat just disappeared.

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Yes, very troubling that it just vanished.

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You're still not answering the question. Both or just one?

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Wow Stafloka posted outline of direct quotes showing the shooter is a racist Democrat just disappeared.

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Yes, very troubling that it just vanished.

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Not really bothered by it. In other segments of the thread, this thug's self-description as a marxist-turned-leftist has been allowed to stand for all to see.

The thing that does bother me is the fact that this ******* is being presented as typical of anyone who opposes the policies of the Democrat Party.

They have moved heaven and earth to prevent this manifesto from getting out there to the general public, especially as it regards this man's political ideology and the reason why he chose a city with a population whose ability to fight back has been well and truly restricted by the New York Democrat Party.

Imagine if Texas had the kind of gun control laws in 2015 New York has right now. The Islamo-fascists who attacked the comic book event in Garland would have had just as much opportunity as this trash had in Buffalo.

That is something that needs to be discussed, especially with regard to a state and a city who refuse to acknowledge the Bill of Rights protections afforded to its residents.

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Wow Stafloka posted outline of direct quotes showing the shooter is a racist Democrat just disappeared.

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Yes, very troubling that it just vanished.

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What's going on? Can't seem to find the referenced post. Was it a staff edit/memory-hole or was it a posted tweet that is no longer available?

It was a screenshot of direct quotes from the manifesto. I didn't see anything wrong or vulgar in it andnhe was just outlining what his beliefs were. No clue why it was deleted. A conspiracy theorist would say it was because left leaning mods don't want people to see proof that this guy was a leftist.

Oh so it was moderation who deleted it. Shocker.

Can we revisit the old threads where the owner promised transparency? Because I've literally had posts deleted that simply said "transparency".

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This is the right take

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Wow Stafloka posted outline of direct quotes showing the shooter is a racist Democrat just disappeared.

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Yes, very troubling that it just vanished.

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What's going on? Can't seem to find the referenced post. Was it a staff edit/memory-hole or was it a posted tweet that is no longer available?

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It was a response to WaltonAg's commentary regarding reality. I'll post the link to the relevant article without quotes....

https://americanfaith.com/buffalo-mass-shooter-calls-himself-authoritarian-left-national-socialist-in-alleged-manifesto/

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Pretty typical for sociopaths that play first person shooter games. Dave Grossman's book Assassination Generation discusses this, mass shooting events are basically a game. Their accuracy is greater than police or typical shooters and they tend to take more head shots. Pretty crazy

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I agree with you.
There will be some young posters who claim that this games are harmless.

Like the El Paso shooter, he is a whack job that needed to never play first person shooter games or have a gun.

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This is such a reach. Time and time again the lobbyists fail to indict the games industry for building mass shooters.

Overwhelming majority of Americans play video games. Many are familiar with streaming. To say his video game playing habits led to that is lazy.

Did his video game habits lead to him writing that manifesto?

Videos games don't cause mass shooters.

Mass shooters cause mass shootings. Mass shooters sometimes take inspiration from other mass shooters ie christchurch.

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God help us, the end is near with so many issues coming together in a perfect storm. I shouldn't be that surprised since this is where we have been heading for decades....

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This is what was said during the Crusades

This is what was said during the Plague

This is what was said when the new founders pillaged the native Americans

This is what was said during the American Revolutionary War

This is what was said during the US Civil War

This is what was said during WW1

This is what was said during WW2

This is what was said during the Cuban missile crisis

This is what was said during 9/11


Don't let recency cloud the truth