Shanked Punt said:titan said:Then it needs to be clearly defined and then pushed as something to be done. 2011 was just before the full onset of social media. You could probably mobilized and light the necessary fire under feet now to get officials to order built or methods setup necessary to meet what you are describing. If it can be outlined clearly. What lesson was ignored in 2011 might be able to be used as a club now in 2021 with social media and irate customers such as on the thread.Shanked Punt said:jrdaustin said:Then his comments make more sense and deserve some clarification.mazag08 said:Shanked Punt said:
Here is a good thread of what is going on. Wind may be an issue, but the delivery of natural gas is causing major problems.
Next time find an unbiased source and not a career academic who's entire life has been spent studying slanted science in an effort to force feed our country an agenda.Quote:
Jesse leads the Princeton ZERO Lab - the Zero carbon Energy systems Research and Optimization Laboratory -- which conducts research to improve decision-making to accelerate rapid, affordable, and effective transitions to net-zero carbon energy systems. The ZERO Lab has three main areas of research
First, he is correct that there are currently problems with power generation both on gas and wind. But to imply by saying that there are "some" problems with wind and that they are much less than gas is misleading at best.
First, not "some". Fully 50% of wind turbines in west Texas are currently offline due to icing, and the number is rising.
Second, the only reason it is "second" as an issue to the gas issues is that thankfully we have much less wind generated power than gas generated power. The problem would have been magnified exponentially if we were MORE dependent on wind generated power.
Overall, the problem across the board is a piss poor job of preparing for this sort of event. NG generation needs to handle a cold snap of this magnitude in this region of the country, so does wind. That is completely independent of the energy source. It can be done.
I fully agree with that.
This is from 2014 covering a good deal of what happened in 2011, with a lesson learned that likely never was carried out.
https://www.powermag.com/prepare-your-renewable-plant-for-cold-weather-operations/Quote:
Wind generators in places like Canada typically install "cold weather packages" to extend temperature ranges, using up to 200 kW to 300 kW of parasitic power per turbine at conditions below 20C for heating components such as the nacelle space, yaw drive and pitch motors, and the gearbox, slip ring, controller and control cabinet, and battery. GE's 2010-introduced Cold Weather Extreme package for its 2.5 x l turbine, for example, ensures operations in temperatures to 30C and a "survival mode" to 40C.
According to NERC, "it does not appear that [cold weather packages] were used in the Southwest" during the 2011 event. It recommends that all entities investigate the purchase of these packages in preparation for extreme cold events.
It's a question of cost. The cost of that cold weather package needs to be offset by the amount of time it's actually necessary. Over the life of a windmill, maybe 25-30 years, that package may be necessary to keep it operating for a few days or weeks. If it's a month, that means that cold weather package would be utilized over .3% of the turbines lifespan if its 25 years. Think of it this way: How many times in the last 10 years have we had issue with cold weather power demand? 2? And even then, for what? 2-5 days at the most? Over 25 years, you may actually need it only 3-4 times for a few days each. The added cost likely makes it not cost effective.