Sapper Redux said:RebelE Infantry said:
No. It's the assumption that the feminine is disordered in men. Just as masculinity is disordered in women
The assumptions behind both assume the feminine is beneath the masculine.
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Sapper Redux said:BAP Enthusiast said:Sapper Redux said:Rocag said:
Put away your "Jumping to Conclusions" mat for a minute. No one was talking about Teddy Roosevelt at all. Was he kook? I certainly don't consider myself to be an expert on Teddy Roosevelt so I'll reserve judgement on that one.
He was an odd guy.
He was a mmasculine military man who liked physical fitness, like to hunt, was a big talker, and a strong leader. How was he weird? He's generally considered one of the greatest presidents we have ever had.
He was an excellent president. He was also an odd guy. He once called a cabinet meeting because he spotted a rare bird back early from winter migration.
Well he was a conservationist at his core. The man loved nature. I don't see why this is odd.
BAP Enthusiast said:Sapper Redux said:BAP Enthusiast said:Sapper Redux said:Rocag said:
Put away your "Jumping to Conclusions" mat for a minute. No one was talking about Teddy Roosevelt at all. Was he kook? I certainly don't consider myself to be an expert on Teddy Roosevelt so I'll reserve judgement on that one.
He was an odd guy.
He was a mmasculine military man who liked physical fitness, like to hunt, was a big talker, and a strong leader. How was he weird? He's generally considered one of the greatest presidents we have ever had.
He was an excellent president. He was also an odd guy. He once called a cabinet meeting because he spotted a rare bird back early from winter migration.
Well he was a conservationist at his core. The man loved nature. I don't see why this is odd.
You don't normally call a cabinet meeting for this. I'm not knocking TR's passions. He was an incredible person. But he was definitely a bit odd.
In my younger days, I was drawn to the Ancient Greek Ideal Man who was both intellectually and physically powerful...and the physical part was something women could not be expected to do.
Of course modern society is very different from Bronze Age/Ancient Greece.
For one thing, the fattest, stupidest slave can kill the most Ideal Man from a distance simply by pulling a trigger.
For another, even the U.S. Army has recognized that women are useful in modern tech based combat.
For another, with modern drugs and genetic engineering who knows what the Ideal Man might become?
Anyway, congratulations to BAP on rediscovering his faith, just don't try to fly off any tall bldgs.
Of course modern society is very different from Bronze Age/Ancient Greece.
For one thing, the fattest, stupidest slave can kill the most Ideal Man from a distance simply by pulling a trigger.
For another, even the U.S. Army has recognized that women are useful in modern tech based combat.
For another, with modern drugs and genetic engineering who knows what the Ideal Man might become?
Anyway, congratulations to BAP on rediscovering his faith, just don't try to fly off any tall bldgs.
This board gets more terrifying and some how more hilarious Everytime I visit it.
I also don't think I have ever seen a conversion testimony that only passively mentions Christ and could be boiled down to "I became a christian to own the libs."
kurt vonnegut said:Joe Boudain said:Exactlyjrico2727 said:
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Masculinity is defined as toxic in our times, however as society becomes more and more effeminate we are seeing a complete collapse of morals, the family, and eventually western society.
Tell people you like to watch porn and smoke weed and they'll think you're normal. Tell them you like to lift weights and go to daily mass and they'll think you're a freak.
How do you feel about people that watch porn and smoke weed. Do you consider them normal or freaks?
Most heavy lifters I've known watch porn and smoke weed.
Actually…yup, it was every single one of them
Aggrad08 said:kurt vonnegut said:Joe Boudain said:Exactlyjrico2727 said:
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Masculinity is defined as toxic in our times, however as society becomes more and more effeminate we are seeing a complete collapse of morals, the family, and eventually western society.
Tell people you like to watch porn and smoke weed and they'll think you're normal. Tell them you like to lift weights and go to daily mass and they'll think you're a freak.
How do you feel about people that watch porn and smoke weed. Do you consider them normal or freaks?
Most heavy lifters I've known watch porn and smoke weed.
Actually…yup, it was every single one of them
I too have watched Pumping Iron.
Aggrad08 said:kurt vonnegut said:Joe Boudain said:Exactlyjrico2727 said:
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Masculinity is defined as toxic in our times, however as society becomes more and more effeminate we are seeing a complete collapse of morals, the family, and eventually western society.
Tell people you like to watch porn and smoke weed and they'll think you're normal. Tell them you like to lift weights and go to daily mass and they'll think you're a freak.
How do you feel about people that watch porn and smoke weed. Do you consider them normal or freaks?
Most heavy lifters I've known watch porn and smoke weed.
Actually…yup, it was every single one of them
None of the guys I know who pump iron do either.
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I would bet a large amount of money that you know someone who pumps iron and watches porn or smokes weed.
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Duncan Idaho said:
I also don't think I have ever seen a conversion testimony that only passively mentions Christ and could be boiled down to "I became a christian to own the libs."
To own the libs? That had nothing to do with bringing me back. I don't associate with liberals in real life beyond those I am forced to interact with at work. I don't post on social media and only have a Facebook account to keep up with family and have access to pictures of them and my kids.
I posted explicitly in the OP about how I was led back to God at the perfect time for my family, which has experienced a number of issues this past year and we would have struggle to push through it without the support system from church. Our Bible study class has members who have kids with the same medical issues as our kids. I see these things as absolutely signs from God.
It's funny seeing every leftist get so angry someone went from being an atheist back to Jesus again. The mere fact that it's only leftist atheists on this thread debating Christians says everything you need to know about their state of mind.
I've made many mistakes in my life and I feel guilt over many of them. I can never work away my sin but I can use Jesus and even the many Disciples as examples to strive towards. I know I am saved through Grace alone but that does not mean I cannot try and improve myself and even possibly set an example for others. I consider physical fitness and general physicality to be part of that. I don't see why that's such a big deal. If I had to choose any other career other than what I am doing now, I would become a personal trainer because I want to help people get into shape.
Aggrad08 said:kurt vonnegut said:Joe Boudain said:Exactlyjrico2727 said:
This
Masculinity is defined as toxic in our times, however as society becomes more and more effeminate we are seeing a complete collapse of morals, the family, and eventually western society.
Tell people you like to watch porn and smoke weed and they'll think you're normal. Tell them you like to lift weights and go to daily mass and they'll think you're a freak.
How do you feel about people that watch porn and smoke weed. Do you consider them normal or freaks?
Most heavy lifters I've known watch porn and smoke weed.
Actually…yup, it was every single one of them
Serious lifters don't smoke weed because it can easily mess up macros. Most don't drink all that much either.
I will say there are a lot of degenerate lifters though when it comes to sex. Anyone who has ever read the stories on bodybuilding forums and subreddits would have seen plenty of them. It is an issue but it's not as bad as what you would think. The era of the Arnold types who sleep with anything that moves is generally over.
I don't see anyone on this thread upset that you've embraced the Christian faith. Most have commented, not on your faith, but on the partisan-lens you seem to view it through. And I'm a devout Christian and far from being a "leftist".
For example, you boast of not associating with "liberals" in real life except those that you're "forced" to at work. Do you think that's a Christian attitude/approach? There you seem to be putting partisan allegiances above your faith. Living in a silo isn't good, nor what we're called to do.
For example, you boast of not associating with "liberals" in real life except those that you're "forced" to at work. Do you think that's a Christian attitude/approach? There you seem to be putting partisan allegiances above your faith. Living in a silo isn't good, nor what we're called to do.
Great story and the Lord never gives up on us.
If someone would have told me 20 years or more ago that my favorite thing to do was read the Bible, I would have told them they were crazy.
And I have similar stories of what the Lord has done in my life and the people He has led me to.
Inner peace and joy through all circumstances is worth more than anything. And once you get the Spirit, you become greedy and want more.
If someone would have told me 20 years or more ago that my favorite thing to do was read the Bible, I would have told them they were crazy.
And I have similar stories of what the Lord has done in my life and the people He has led me to.
Inner peace and joy through all circumstances is worth more than anything. And once you get the Spirit, you become greedy and want more.
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Just curious, who here is "angry" that you went back to Christianity?
You are anthropomorphic leftism.
Yeah there is only one angry person on this thread and it isn't me or you.
I think it's an extremely important thing to talk to and even more importantly listen to those that you disagree with. I'd encourage you to grow and do so. Maybe you'd learn that liberals in real life are not Marxists, Satanists, or whatever other Boogeymen you've made them out to be in your mind.Quote:
I don't associate with liberals in real life beyond those I am forced to interact with at work.
Joe Boudain said:
You are anthropomorphic leftism.
Yes, we know you can say stupid things beyond proclaiming your respect for the Taliban.
PacifistAg said:
I don't see anyone on this thread upset that you've embraced the Christian faith. Most have commented, not on your faith, but on the partisan-lens you seem to view it through. And I'm a devout Christian and far from being a "leftist".
For example, you boast of not associating with "liberals" in real life except those that you're "forced" to at work. Do you think that's a Christian attitude/approach? There you seem to be putting partisan allegiances above your faith. Living in a silo isn't good, nor what we're called to do.
I don't associate with liberals because my primary duty is to my family and association with them is dangerous in the modern world. All it takes is one crazy leftist who doesn't like my opinions to create massive problems for myself with my career and family.
That's not a boast at all, that's an absolute fact. I used to enjoy political debate with leftists and used to have many I would consider friends. After being called every name in the book solely for being a conservative, I gave up and blocked the most outspoken ones on all social media and no longer associate with them.
I was never intolerant to them, but they forced me to prioritize. Therefore I choose my family over them.
Goodness, what irrational fear. We aren't called to silo ourselves off from those who bear God's image, and who very well may be brothers and sisters in Christ, simply because of an irrational fear that they're a threat to you.
Heck, your buddy on this thread has even publicly stated he believes I should be in prison simply because of who I am, and that we should emulate the Taliban. That's a real threat to me and my family, but even in his sin, I'm not called to silo off from him. I'll love him in spite of his hatred.
Heck, your buddy on this thread has even publicly stated he believes I should be in prison simply because of who I am, and that we should emulate the Taliban. That's a real threat to me and my family, but even in his sin, I'm not called to silo off from him. I'll love him in spite of his hatred.
Satanists are typically liberal because that political platform is associated with the ultimate freedom of the individual which has many Satanic elements. It's not some dark twisted pentagram thing. It's simply trying to make the world into an image of the self and not God.Quad Dog said:I think it's an extremely important thing to talk to and even more importantly listen to those that you disagree with. I'd encourage you to grow and do so. Maybe you'd learn that liberals in real life are not Marxists, Satanists, or whatever other Boogeymen you've made them out to be in your mind.Quote:
I don't associate with liberals in real life beyond those I am forced to interact with at work.
So wouldn't Satan be a right wing libertarian? Liberal policies are designed to promote the well-being of all (I'm not arguing whether they work or not, just that's the goal) and limit the promotion of the self at the expense of others.Orthodox Texan said:Satanists are typically liberal because that political platform is associated with the ultimate freedom of the individual which has many Satanic elements. It's not some dark twisted pentagram thing. It's simply trying to make the world into an image of the self and not God.Quad Dog said:I think it's an extremely important thing to talk to and even more importantly listen to those that you disagree with. I'd encourage you to grow and do so. Maybe you'd learn that liberals in real life are not Marxists, Satanists, or whatever other Boogeymen you've made them out to be in your mind.Quote:
I don't associate with liberals in real life beyond those I am forced to interact with at work.
This is the catch though. "Conservative" has been redefined. I remember growing up, they pretended to care about "limited government" and "individual freedom". Those were the alleged hallmarks of conservatism. Now, though, that's all been exposed to be a fraud, so they redefine it to having nothing to do with "individual freedom", but about conserving a "moral" society (ignoring the fact that we've never had a moral society to conserve). So now they brand libertarians as liberals (although they would actually be closest to classical liberals) because they promote the very things that conservatives used to claim to support.Sapper Redux said:So wouldn't Satan be a right wing libertarian? Liberal policies are designed to promote the well-being of all (I'm not arguing whether they work or not, just that's the goal) and limit the promotion of the self at the expense of others.Orthodox Texan said:Satanists are typically liberal because that political platform is associated with the ultimate freedom of the individual which has many Satanic elements. It's not some dark twisted pentagram thing. It's simply trying to make the world into an image of the self and not God.Quad Dog said:I think it's an extremely important thing to talk to and even more importantly listen to those that you disagree with. I'd encourage you to grow and do so. Maybe you'd learn that liberals in real life are not Marxists, Satanists, or whatever other Boogeymen you've made them out to be in your mind.Quote:
I don't associate with liberals in real life beyond those I am forced to interact with at work.
Sapper Redux said:So wouldn't Satan be a right wing libertarian? Liberal policies are designed to promote the well-being of all (I'm not arguing whether they work or not, just that's the goal) and limit the promotion of the self at the expense of others.Orthodox Texan said:Satanists are typically liberal because that political platform is associated with the ultimate freedom of the individual which has many Satanic elements. It's not some dark twisted pentagram thing. It's simply trying to make the world into an image of the self and not God.Quad Dog said:I think it's an extremely important thing to talk to and even more importantly listen to those that you disagree with. I'd encourage you to grow and do so. Maybe you'd learn that liberals in real life are not Marxists, Satanists, or whatever other Boogeymen you've made them out to be in your mind.Quote:
I don't associate with liberals in real life beyond those I am forced to interact with at work.
Satan is extremely socially liberal so no he would not be right wing at all. Almost everything considered a virtue by the left is a sin in the Bible: sloth, gluttony, hedonism, etc. are all sins and these are all things Satan promotes. The left wants to be able to act without consequences, which is exactly what Satan wants. He's about as far from social conservatism as you can get. That is modesty and virtuous behaviors are antithetical to his very existence.
Goodness. When you start assigning Satan and God based on political ideologies, you start turning your ideologies into idols.
Satan can use the right and left, and everything in between. Let's not forget, it was the "social conservatives" of their day, the ones who were legalistic and unloving towards the marginalized and sinners, who pushed to crucify Christ.
Satan can use the right and left, and everything in between. Let's not forget, it was the "social conservatives" of their day, the ones who were legalistic and unloving towards the marginalized and sinners, who pushed to crucify Christ.
conservatism has never been about limited government or individual freedom, rather those are benefits of a conservative society.PacifistAg said:This is the catch though. "Conservative" has been redefined. I remember growing up, they pretended to care about "limited government" and "individual freedom". Those were the alleged hallmarks of conservatism. Now, though, that's all been exposed to be a fraud, so they redefine it to having nothing to do with "individual freedom", but about conserving a "moral" society (ignoring the fact that we've never had a moral society to conserve). So now they brand libertarians as liberals (although they would actually be closest to classical liberals) because they promote the very things that conservatives used to claim to support.Sapper Redux said:So wouldn't Satan be a right wing libertarian? Liberal policies are designed to promote the well-being of all (I'm not arguing whether they work or not, just that's the goal) and limit the promotion of the self at the expense of others.Orthodox Texan said:Satanists are typically liberal because that political platform is associated with the ultimate freedom of the individual which has many Satanic elements. It's not some dark twisted pentagram thing. It's simply trying to make the world into an image of the self and not God.Quad Dog said:I think it's an extremely important thing to talk to and even more importantly listen to those that you disagree with. I'd encourage you to grow and do so. Maybe you'd learn that liberals in real life are not Marxists, Satanists, or whatever other Boogeymen you've made them out to be in your mind.Quote:
I don't associate with liberals in real life beyond those I am forced to interact with at work.
Do you honestly believe this rubbish? Heck, to use a recent example, it's social conservatives who are screeching about being fired for not following their private employer's policies. They are the ones, in that example, wanting to act without consequence. But you seem to have created a caricature of right and left, and then assign "godliness" and "sinfulness" based on your caricatures, which conveniently put you in the "godly" camp. Yet, you also admittedly do as the legalists of Jesus' day did and refuse to even engage with those outside your clique.BAP Enthusiast said:Sapper Redux said:So wouldn't Satan be a right wing libertarian? Liberal policies are designed to promote the well-being of all (I'm not arguing whether they work or not, just that's the goal) and limit the promotion of the self at the expense of others.Orthodox Texan said:Satanists are typically liberal because that political platform is associated with the ultimate freedom of the individual which has many Satanic elements. It's not some dark twisted pentagram thing. It's simply trying to make the world into an image of the self and not God.Quad Dog said:I think it's an extremely important thing to talk to and even more importantly listen to those that you disagree with. I'd encourage you to grow and do so. Maybe you'd learn that liberals in real life are not Marxists, Satanists, or whatever other Boogeymen you've made them out to be in your mind.Quote:
I don't associate with liberals in real life beyond those I am forced to interact with at work.
Satan is extremely socially liberal so no he would not be right wing at all. Almost everything considered a virtue by the left is a sin in the Bible: sloth, gluttony, hedonism, etc. are all sins and these are all things Satan promotes. The left wants to be able to act without consequences, which is exactly what Satan wants. He's about as far from social conservatism as you can get. That is modesty and virtuous behaviors are antithetical to his very existence.
Thankfully Jesus didn't act or treat others as you are advocating, or as your buddy Taliban Joe desires. You have a skewed understanding of virtue that is warped by what looks to be an idolatry of your ideology.
My last post: BAP, I really do hope that you will see the image of God in the "liberals" and "leftists" you refuse to engage with. I really do pray that you will examine as to whether or not you are viewing your faith through a lens of political ideology. Some of your comments are troublesome. You are my brother-in-Christ, and I, your sister. The "left" isn't the enemy. And I would say to Christians on the left that the "right" isn't the enemy. We are brothers and sisters, but regardless, we are to love our enemy and do good to them. If you think they are "lost", well, you can't share the good news of Jesus Christ when you refuse to engage with people.
At this time, though, I believe this conversation is fruitless so I will just bow out and be on my way.
At this time, though, I believe this conversation is fruitless so I will just bow out and be on my way.
The spirit of divisiveness is of Satan. That which seeks to divide the body of Christ is anti-Christ. However without our cooperation this spirit would be powerless. Now I cannot see anything redeemable about the Democratic party but being a republican is not necessarily a sign of virtue. Neither party works in anyway to establish the Reign of Christ the King.
Behold I send you as sheep in the midst of wolves. Be ye therefore wise as serpents and simple as doves.
Behold I send you as sheep in the midst of wolves. Be ye therefore wise as serpents and simple as doves.
Why do you limit Satan? Why can't he be both? Satan's gonna be upset with you.Quote:
So wouldn't Satan be a right wing libertarian?
I can't believe people are seriously trying to argue about Satan's political beliefs in expressly modern American terms.
Weird thread is weird. Entertaining though!
Weird thread is weird. Entertaining though!
Welcome to American Christianity.craigernaught said:
I can't believe people are seriously trying to argue about Satan's political beliefs in expressly modern American terms.
Weird thread is weird. Entertaining though!
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