After 20 years of being an atheist, I came back to the lord

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In reply to Quad Dog • 12:18p, 9/22/21
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So far I've got Cultural Marxism, Satanism, and toxic masculinity. I only need aliens and incel to get a BINGO.
How's everyone else doing on their troll bingo?


Toxic masculinity? Masculinity is a positive thing, only the left says it's bad.
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In reply to Quad Dog • 12:21p, 9/22/21
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The satanic aspects came from the elite connection to Moloch and the myriad of info about elite pedo rings. This information was around well before Q so that had little to do with my views on the topic.



I would like to thank the Lord for many things in my life, and that Torbush gif is one of them. Probably the only time I cheered against A&M.
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12:30p, 9/22/21
Proud to say that the OP is a friend of mine IRL and I have been able to witness his journey. I'm waiting for him to swim the tiber but that time is not in yet.

There are many things that Jesus can use to bring a person back to him, and politics was his entry point. I've said it on here before but leftism at it's core is demonic. Not all leftists are demonic, but it's because they don't actually know what they're supporting, there are useful idiots on both the right and the left; but only one side that is pointed to Chaos and sin.
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In reply to BAP Enthusiast • 12:37p, 9/22/21
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People always respect a man who is jacked more than they do a fat body or skinny guy so if you want people to listen to you then you better get into the gym and do more than cardio.
People don't respect a person because of what their body looks like. Respect comes from what kind of person you are.

Give me a Fred Rogers over some jacked misogynist who thinks muscles = respect any day of the week.
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In reply to Joe Boudain • 12:38p, 9/22/21
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Proud to say that the OP is a friend of mine IRL
Shocked! Does he share your respect for the Taliban?
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In reply to BAP Enthusiast • 12:39p, 9/22/21
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Quad Dog said:
So far I've got Cultural Marxism, Satanism, and toxic masculinity. I only need aliens and incel to get a BINGO.
How's everyone else doing on their troll bingo?


Toxic masculinity? Masculinity is a positive thing, only the left says it's bad.
He didn't say masculinity is bad. The left doesn't say masculinity is bad. He said "toxic masculinity". There's a difference. You know that, right? Toxic masculinity looks at womanizing racists like John Wayne as an ideal of "manhood". Masculinity looks at men like Fred Rogers as an ideal of "manhood".
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In reply to PacifistAg • 12:44p, 9/22/21
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Proud to say that the OP is a friend of mine IRL
Shocked! Does he share your respect for the Taliban?
probably.
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In reply to PacifistAg • 12:47p, 9/22/21
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People always respect a man who is jacked more than they do a fat body or skinny guy so if you want people to listen to you then you better get into the gym and do more than cardio.
People don't respect a person because of what their body looks like. Respect comes from what kind of person you are.

Give me a Fred Rogers over some jacked misogynist who thinks muscles = respect any day of the week.
The most masculine person to ever exist was Jesus Christ, and his sacrifice set the tone for how all men are to behave. Bodybuilding is a sacrifice, it takes hard work, and dedication. Being a slob is easy, being a glutton is easy, being in shape and pushing the limits of your body takes work.

That's why we box, that's why we lift, that's why we read, that's why we pray. Mens sana en corpore sano. Better yourself spiritually, mentally, and phyiscally.
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12:49p, 9/22/21
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I'm starting to suspect that OP's Christianity is the most normal part of his belief system. I'm curious why you were an atheist in the first place but doubt it was for the same reasons I am.

And I continue to doubt that the explicit ties between Christianity and right wing politics has actually benefited Christianity. For every person like the OP who is drawn to Christianity that might not have been otherwise, how many others are pushed away?
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In reply to Joe Boudain • 12:51p, 9/22/21
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that's why we read,
I love to read. What are you reading right now? Got any good suggestions? I'm always down to talk books.
I'm about a third into Infinite Jest right now. It's a very challenging read, but really interesting and thought provoking.
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12:51p, 9/22/21
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I bet Jesus was jacked.
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In reply to Quad Dog • 12:56p, 9/22/21
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that's why we read,
I love to read. What are you reading right now? Got any good suggestions? I'm always down to talk books.
I'm about a third into Infinite Jest right now. It's a very challenging read, but really interesting and thought provoking.
Right now we are doing a Dune read-through. I'm a Dune fiend, so I've already read the entire series but I am re-reading it so I can comment along with the guys.

We have read "Mine were of trouble", "Thus Spoke Zarathustra", "The brothers Karamzov", "Fight Club", "Sun and Steel", "Storm of Steel" and "the burning souls"
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In reply to BAP Enthusiast • 12:56p, 9/22/21
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Quad Dog said:
So far I've got Cultural Marxism, Satanism, and toxic masculinity. I only need aliens and incel to get a BINGO.
How's everyone else doing on their troll bingo?


Toxic masculinity? Masculinity is a positive thing, only the left says it's bad.
Masculinity isn't toxic. Toxic masculinity is an entirely separate thing.
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In reply to craigernaught • 12:57p, 9/22/21
I think he probably was jacked. Gluttony is a sin so I can assume he was temperate in his consumption, and he worked as a carpenter.
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In reply to Rocag • 1:00p, 9/22/21
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I'm starting to suspect that OP's Christianity is the most normal part of his belief system. I'm curious why you were an atheist in the first place but doubt it was for the same reasons I am.

And I continue to doubt that the explicit ties between Christianity and right wing politics has actually benefited Christianity. For every person like the OP who is drawn to Christianity that might not have been otherwise, how many others are pushed away?
Count me in as one of the many that was pushed away. I started questioning my faith in college but if anything it was the far right wing politics, and especially Trumpism, that was the final nail in the coffin for me.

I'm happy for OP if he finds joy in coming back to his faith. But being part of that just was not for me and I do not see myself going back to it.
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In reply to barbacoa taco • 1:02p, 9/22/21
the idea that Trump was a far right politician is laughable.
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In reply to Joe Boudain • 1:02p, 9/22/21
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Joe Boudain said:
Quad Dog said:
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that's why we read,
I love to read. What are you reading right now? Got any good suggestions? I'm always down to talk books.
I'm about a third into Infinite Jest right now. It's a very challenging read, but really interesting and thought provoking.
Right now we are doing a Dune read-through. I'm a Dune fiend, so I've already read the entire series but I am re-reading it so I can comment along with the guys.

We have read "Mine were of trouble", "Thus Spoke Zarathustra", "The brothers Karamzov", "Fight Club", "Sun and Steel", "Storm of Steel" and "the burning souls"
I'm a huge Dune fan, probably my most reread book. Can't wait for the movie. I think reading Dune may have planted the seeds that lead to me not being a Christian, but that's another story.
I read The brothers Karamazov last year, it was a bit of a slog at times, but great story and philosophy throughout.
I'll look into the others.
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In reply to PacifistAg • 1:04p, 9/22/21
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People always respect a man who is jacked more than they do a fat body or skinny guy so if you want people to listen to you then you better get into the gym and do more than cardio.
People don't respect a person because of what their body looks like. Respect comes from what kind of person you are.

Give me a Fred Rogers over some jacked misogynist who thinks muscles = respect any day of the week.


Given a choice between two otherwise equal individuals and people will listen to the man who more masculine every time.

Fred Rogers had an exceptional strength of will, but he's the far exception to the rule and he's from a different era anyway so you're comparing apples to oranges. Being fat or really out of shape was generally socially unacceptable for most of his life. By comparison these are the norm nowadays.
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In reply to Quad Dog • 1:05p, 9/22/21
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Joe Boudain said:
Quad Dog said:
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that's why we read,
I love to read. What are you reading right now? Got any good suggestions? I'm always down to talk books.
I'm about a third into Infinite Jest right now. It's a very challenging read, but really interesting and thought provoking.
Right now we are doing a Dune read-through. I'm a Dune fiend, so I've already read the entire series but I am re-reading it so I can comment along with the guys.

We have read "Mine were of trouble", "Thus Spoke Zarathustra", "The brothers Karamzov", "Fight Club", "Sun and Steel", "Storm of Steel" and "the burning souls"
I'm a huge Dune fan, probably my most reread book. Can't wait for the movie. I think reading Dune may have planted the seeds that lead to me not being a Christian, but that's another story.
I read The brothers Karamazov last year, it was a bit of a slog at times, but great story and philosophy throughout.
I'll look into the others.
If I have one literary regret, it's that I am not able to go back in time and experience the Brothers Karamazov for the first time.

Speaking of Dune, have you read the other 5 books by Hebert? They're amazing. The stuff his kid wrote is garbage, but the other books are even better than Dune, IMO
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In reply to Joe Boudain • 1:08p, 9/22/21
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Read the sequels many times. I too have avoided the stuff by his son. I read the Wikipedia plot summaries to see if it was worth my time, and decided it was not.

Edit to add: If you liked Brothers Karamazov, check out East of Eden. A lot of similarities, but East of Eden is a little more acceptable to modern audiences.
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In reply to Joe Boudain • 1:17p, 9/22/21
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I think he probably was jacked. Gluttony is a sin so I can assume he was temperate in his consumption, and he worked as a carpenter.


Have you ever seen a tiny carpenter who was out of shape? I know I haven't. It's very labor intensive work, especially in that era where all of their tools required physical strength and endurance.

We know Paul used sports analogies all of the time and was a dedicated fitness enthusiast himself. We also know that he was not the only one like that.

Physical fitness in the Bible is repeatedly emphasized by numerous people. The idea that God wants us to be sloths and gluttons is a farce. The men of the Bible knew that a sound body makes for a sound mind. Why would anyone ignore this especially when there is an enormous amount of data linking physical fitness to a significant reduction in all cause mortality rates and linking muscle mass directly to longer lifespans? God wants us to enjoy life yes but if you never struggle for anything then you will end up like Solomon where you're living a completely empty life. Working out and weight lifting provides people, who otherwise have comfortable lives, something to sacrifice and struggle to reach. No matter who you are rich or poor, there are no shortcuts to physical fitness. You either put in the work or you don't. Putting in the work will absolutely give you a new perspective on the world and will show you the value of hard work even if everything else in life comes east.

I could go on and on about the subject but it's something I am absolutely passionate about.
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In reply to barbacoa taco • 1:18p, 9/22/21
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Rocag said:
I'm starting to suspect that OP's Christianity is the most normal part of his belief system. I'm curious why you were an atheist in the first place but doubt it was for the same reasons I am.

And I continue to doubt that the explicit ties between Christianity and right wing politics has actually benefited Christianity. For every person like the OP who is drawn to Christianity that might not have been otherwise, how many others are pushed away?
Count me in as one of the many that was pushed away. I started questioning my faith in college but if anything it was the far right wing politics, and especially Trumpism, that was the final nail in the coffin for me.

I'm happy for OP if he finds joy in coming back to his faith. But being part of that just was not for me and I do not see myself going back to it.


You're young. I said the same things in college. I am not at all the same person I was at age 22.
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In reply to Rocag • 1:20p, 9/22/21
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I'm starting to suspect that OP's Christianity is the most normal part of his belief system. I'm curious why you were an atheist in the first place but doubt it was for the same reasons I am.

And I continue to doubt that the explicit ties between Christianity and right wing politics has actually benefited Christianity. For every person like the OP who is drawn to Christianity that might not have been otherwise, how many others are pushed away?


Boy, you are not kidding. Wow.

I would not go so far as to say this is the nuttiest thread ever on the R&P, but I think it's right up there. Do you guys seriously not see where this looks and sounds completely BSC?
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In reply to barbacoa taco • 1:20p, 9/22/21
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BAP Enthusiast said:
Quad Dog said:
So far I've got Cultural Marxism, Satanism, and toxic masculinity. I only need aliens and incel to get a BINGO.
How's everyone else doing on their troll bingo?


Toxic masculinity? Masculinity is a positive thing, only the left says it's bad.
Masculinity isn't toxic. Toxic masculinity is an entirely separate thing.


Toxic masculinity is a cultural Marxist creation. It is the demonization of boys from birth and the demonization of all men throughout history.
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In reply to craigernaught • 1:23p, 9/22/21
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I bet Jesus was jacked.


Every Renaissance artist gave him ABS, like a 12-pack that could crush a man's skull.
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In reply to Macarthur • 1:23p, 9/22/21
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Rocag said:
I'm starting to suspect that OP's Christianity is the most normal part of his belief system. I'm curious why you were an atheist in the first place but doubt it was for the same reasons I am.

And I continue to doubt that the explicit ties between Christianity and right wing politics has actually benefited Christianity. For every person like the OP who is drawn to Christianity that might not have been otherwise, how many others are pushed away?


Boy, you are not kidding. Wow.

I would not go so far as to say this is the nuttiest thread ever on the R&P, but I think it's right up there. Do you guys seriously not see where this looks and sounds completely BSC?


A socially conservative Christian who loves to workout and views the elites and the left as agents of Satan, yeah sounds nutty to me.
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Macarthur said:
Rocag said:
I'm starting to suspect that OP's Christianity is the most normal part of his belief system. I'm curious why you were an atheist in the first place but doubt it was for the same reasons I am.

And I continue to doubt that the explicit ties between Christianity and right wing politics has actually benefited Christianity. For every person like the OP who is drawn to Christianity that might not have been otherwise, how many others are pushed away?


Boy, you are not kidding. Wow.

I would not go so far as to say this is the nuttiest thread ever on the R&P, but I think it's right up there. Do you guys seriously not see where this looks and sounds completely BSC?


A socially conservative Christian who loves to workout and views the elites and the left as agents of Satan, yeah sounds nutty to me.


Pretty much.
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In reply to BAP Enthusiast • 1:24p, 9/22/21
I bet you're a big Jordan Peterson fan?
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In reply to BAP Enthusiast • 1:25p, 9/22/21
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larry culpepper said:
BAP Enthusiast said:
Quad Dog said:
So far I've got Cultural Marxism, Satanism, and toxic masculinity. I only need aliens and incel to get a BINGO.
How's everyone else doing on their troll bingo?


Toxic masculinity? Masculinity is a positive thing, only the left says it's bad.
Masculinity isn't toxic. Toxic masculinity is an entirely separate thing.


Toxic masculinity is a cultural Marxist creation. It is the demonization of boys from birth and the demonization of all men throughout history.


I'm guessing you aren't a fan of women being allowed to work or wear pants.
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Macarthur said:
Rocag said:
I'm starting to suspect that OP's Christianity is the most normal part of his belief system. I'm curious why you were an atheist in the first place but doubt it was for the same reasons I am.

And I continue to doubt that the explicit ties between Christianity and right wing politics has actually benefited Christianity. For every person like the OP who is drawn to Christianity that might not have been otherwise, how many others are pushed away?


Boy, you are not kidding. Wow.

I would not go so far as to say this is the nuttiest thread ever on the R&P, but I think it's right up there. Do you guys seriously not see where this looks and sounds completely BSC?


A socially conservative Christian who loves to workout and views the elites and the left as agents of Satan, yeah sounds nutty to me.
They want you watching porn, buying things you don't need, eating high fructose corn syrup, and doing drugs. You're much easier to control that way.

It's a weird world we live in. The cool guys are watching Star Wars and Marvel Comic views, the Nerds are lifting weights and reading esoteric poetry.
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In reply to BAP Enthusiast • 1:28p, 9/22/21
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People always respect a man who is jacked more than they do a fat body or skinny guy so if you want people to listen to you then you better get into the gym and do more than cardio.

Does it depend on who you want to listen to you? It is likely that those who value the superficial may be more likely to listen to someone that is jacked. But are those that are less superficial likely to listen to you any more? For me personally, If I need to hire an engineer, lawyer, financial consultant, doctor, scientist, or any other expert, I kinda don't care how jacked they are. Being jacked doesn't make someone more worth listening to. If I need to hire someone to move my washing machine, then yeah, I want the jacked guy.
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In reply to kurt vonnegut • 1:31p, 9/22/21
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People always respect a man who is jacked more than they do a fat body or skinny guy so if you want people to listen to you then you better get into the gym and do more than cardio.

Does it depend on who you want to listen to you? It is likely that those who value the superficial may be more likely to listen to someone that is jacked. But are those that are less superficial likely to listen to you any more? For me personally, If I need to hire an engineer, lawyer, financial consultant, doctor, scientist, or any other expert, I kinda don't care how jacked they are. Being jacked doesn't make someone more worth listening to. If I need to hire someone to move my washing machine, then yeah, I want the jacked guy.


I'd love to see some data on his claim. I've met a lot of generals, business executives, doctors, lawyers, etc… I can't think of one I'd call a bodybuilder. They are, overwhelmingly, in shape, but more of a runner's or swimmer's build.
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In reply to BAP Enthusiast • 1:32p, 9/22/21
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To find out who rules over take a look at what you can't criticize without getting ruined. I won't mention who they are because that topic is verboten on this site.

They want power yes, but they will always be puppets to the real power behind the scenes, which is global finance. Global finance, such as Blackrock and Vanguard control both the government and damn near every medium to large corporation.

I feel like your first and this part of your second paragraphs may be at odds. Are the giant multinational financial institutions the ones you cannot criticize without getting ruined? I rather agree with your second statement more than your first. Power is being able to manipulate politicians, laws, judges, and officials to do as you please. Getting someone fired because they used a gay slur is power, but it pales in comparison.
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In reply to Joe Boudain • 1:37p, 9/22/21
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BAP Enthusiast said:
Macarthur said:
Rocag said:
I'm starting to suspect that OP's Christianity is the most normal part of his belief system. I'm curious why you were an atheist in the first place but doubt it was for the same reasons I am.

And I continue to doubt that the explicit ties between Christianity and right wing politics has actually benefited Christianity. For every person like the OP who is drawn to Christianity that might not have been otherwise, how many others are pushed away?


Boy, you are not kidding. Wow.

I would not go so far as to say this is the nuttiest thread ever on the R&P, but I think it's right up there. Do you guys seriously not see where this looks and sounds completely BSC?


A socially conservative Christian who loves to workout and views the elites and the left as agents of Satan, yeah sounds nutty to me.
They want you watching porn, buying things you don't need, eating high fructose corn syrup, and doing drugs. You're much easier to control that way.

It's a weird world we live in. The cool guys are watching Star Wars and Marvel Comic views, the Nerds are lifting weights and reading esoteric poetry.


No one would care if your worldview didn't include a desire to control others and return marginalized people back to the shadows.
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Joe Boudain said:
BAP Enthusiast said:
Macarthur said:
Rocag said:
I'm starting to suspect that OP's Christianity is the most normal part of his belief system. I'm curious why you were an atheist in the first place but doubt it was for the same reasons I am.

And I continue to doubt that the explicit ties between Christianity and right wing politics has actually benefited Christianity. For every person like the OP who is drawn to Christianity that might not have been otherwise, how many others are pushed away?


Boy, you are not kidding. Wow.

I would not go so far as to say this is the nuttiest thread ever on the R&P, but I think it's right up there. Do you guys seriously not see where this looks and sounds completely BSC?


A socially conservative Christian who loves to workout and views the elites and the left as agents of Satan, yeah sounds nutty to me.
They want you watching porn, buying things you don't need, eating high fructose corn syrup, and doing drugs. You're much easier to control that way.

It's a weird world we live in. The cool guys are watching Star Wars and Marvel Comic views, the Nerds are lifting weights and reading esoteric poetry.


This

Masculinity is defined as toxic in our times, however as society becomes more and more effeminate we are seeing a complete collapse of morals, the family, and eventually western society.
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