Didn't get the first gen iPhone when it first came out.

My main issue was being worried about breaking a $500 phone. And at the time a touch screen was a new concept. It was awkward to use. It may seem intuitive now but at the time answering a call on on iphone was awkward. Nobody had the muscle memory we do now to manipulate the touch screen, and people *****ed all the time about how they didn't like typing on a touch screen.

In any event, I waited until the 3g came out to pull the trigger on an Iphone.

People at work gave me hell over the iphone. They were happy with blackberry. And for a lot of industries blackberry was standard issue work phone. Iphone was the outlier.

2-years later everyone had an iPhone, and the early adopters were constantly answering questions from the rest on how to use the iphone.

The point is, you could buy a an M2 laptop, Imac and and new Iphone for the price of this single unit, but I think it will be worth it in this case to be an early adopter.

Just like the Iphone it will take a while to learn a whole new way to manipulate a computer device.

The era of spacial computing has arrived.

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it cannot give me the shared experience of snuggling on the couch with my kids and watching a movie together. We could watch the same movie, but we wouldn't be watching the same movie. This would serve as something physically between us instead of being the physical focal point that a screen creates.

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make no mistake, this technology is geared to rip apart human connections.

We all get that it is Apple's first step. What I'm saying is that it's no different than anyone else's and lacks the vision of the iPod, iPhone, and iPad. Those devices had things that made them fundamentally different than anything else and they were first steps in different directions. This is a step in the same direction, and IMO the wrong one.

Like I said earlier, this isn't AR. It's VR with passthrough. They are different, and VR is the fundamental direction they are taking with this. Apple's not going to make AR or glasses the norm in 10 years because they're not doing anything to make it the norm right now.

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In 10-years, everyday computing on a traditional screen will be the equivalent of using an abacus.

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I think this is exciting, but you're dreaming if you think this will be adopted wide scale in the business world in the next decade.

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Stat Monitor Repairman said:

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In 10-years, everyday computing on a traditional screen will be the equivalent of using an abacus.

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I think this is exciting, but you're dreaming if you think this will be adopted wide scale in the business world in the next decade.

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I remember when I was told that the iphone was a toy and the blackberry would never be replaced in the business world.

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BowSowy said:

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Stat Monitor Repairman said:

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In 10-years, everyday computing on a traditional screen will be the equivalent of using an abacus.

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I think this is exciting, but you're dreaming if you think this will be adopted wide scale in the business world in the next decade.

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I remember when I was told that the iphone was a toy and the blackberry would never be replaced in the business world.

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i remember the segway.

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BowSowy said:

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In 10-years, everyday computing on a traditional screen will be the equivalent of using an abacus.

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I think this is exciting, but you're dreaming if you think this will be adopted wide scale in the business world in the next decade.

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I remember when I was told that the iphone was a toy and the blackberry would never be replaced in the business world.

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You don't think a near full face mask worn full time is a bit different?

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We all get that it is Apple's first step. What I'm saying is that it's no different than anyone else's and lacks the vision of the iPod, iPhone, and iPad. Those devices had things that made them fundamentally different than anything else and they were first steps in different directions. This is a step in the same direction, and IMO the wrong one.

Like I said earlier, this isn't AR. It's VR with passthrough. They are different, and VR is the fundamental direction they are taking with this. Apple's not going to make AR or glasses the norm in 10 years because they're not doing anything to make it the norm right now.

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Exactly. Say what you will about Microsoft's Hololens, but at least it was different. It was actually AR and was released 7 years ago. Modern day Apple is no longer an innovative company.

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Also, consider Google Glass was around a decade ago and no one was interested. The new AR/VR sets do have more utility than Glass did, but one of the biggest complaints was that people looked ridiculous, which is still a major problem. The guy wearing the Vision Pro watching his kids was super creepy.

I do think AR/VR is going to be huge in our future, but I don't think the adoption is going to be anywhere near as fast as the smartphone adoption was. I think it's going to take someone figuring out that killer app, and right now they haven't done it. The Vision Pro just seems like a higher end version of everything that is already out there.

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The iphone came out around 2007.

Not everybody was on board with the iphone in certain industries.

A lot of people thought is was a gimmick and a fad.

This technological leap is a lot like that.

There will be early adopters.

And there will be people playing catch-up.

Theres no way this isn''t the next iPhone. It's a solid bet you are looking at the cultural the equivalent of the release of iPhone 1.

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Exactly.

Right now, we have to pull our phones out of our pockets, open up the desired app, and then our head is pointed down, toward our phone, with tunnel vision on a single app.

This will eventually become a thing of the past.

No more crouching over our phones, no more looking down, no more tunnel vision. Instead, wherever you are, whatever you're looking at, with the flick of a finger you'll be able to instantly bring up any app - or apps - floating directly in front of you, or off to the side, as translucent as you need, as big or as small as you want them to be. And every appliance, every vehicle, every grocery store, every building will have what amounts to QR codes that give you all kinds of options for respective readouts, data, ingredients, historical information, etc. Your thermostat, your sprinkler settings - basically any home data that can be paired with WiFi - will have the ability to be "pinned" to any given wall, or float in the middle of a room. Instead of trying to find the model number with a flashlight on your broken kitchen faucet, then look up a video on YouTube on how to fix it, AR will be able to instantly identify your faucet model, then highlight exactly what part is broken, and guide you toward fixing it, after ordering whatever part it needs. You'll be able to watch a real TV, but then hovering off to on one side you can have TexAgs up in a browser during a game, and on the other side of the TV, floating next to it, all kinds of live stats. Same thing while being *at* a game. Or, the TV itself will be able to be virtual as well, with TV sizes becoming a thing of the past. Also, forget physical dashboards in cars... any dashboard info you want will be able to be arranged however you want (unless you want a physical dashboard, of course). Never mind what students, doctors, architects, designers, and other professions will use it for.

Basically, there will be an entire world of apps and stats layered over reality, that we can customize to our heart's desire... or not use at all.

And today was a big step toward that "reality," even if a rudimentary version through a bulky pair of Goggles that basically no one will use in public. Eventually, though... they'll be glasses, contacts, and finally, some kind of implant. And Apple finally entering the space today makes it all the more possible, that much sooner.

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Hey man, I own Apple stock too. So keep selling! But this is a niche product.

VR: The next big thing for the last 30 years!

Google glass was innovative. HoloLens was innovative (and had versions of most of this functionality). Meta Quest had this functionality and was cheap enough for the masses.

None of them did well - nothing I see here moves the innovation that much farther. You just get to pay $3500 because it's apple.

I think there's a huge difference between this and the iPhone. The iPhone was a fundamental shift in smart phones because of how it was approached from a design and use perspective. BlackBerry was just a PDA with a phone attached (so was everything else). The iPhone was a step in a completely different direction because it was designed as a holistic blend of several devices and use cases with an interface based on multitouch, not a miniaturized laptop and keyboard with a phone attached. It was completely new in how you interacted with it and how it interacted with the world.

This isn't new. There are already other headsets out there with similar interfaces and capabilities. Eye and hand tracking headsets with retinal displays and occlusion detection already exist, and this is just Apple's version of what is currently out there. It's a small step forward, but it isn't the iPhone.

I don't think there was much division when the iphone came out. Everyone wanted one - whether or not it was something that you could afford was another thing. Remember we were all used to paying a couple hundred bucks for a phone and the iphone was double (triple??).

The ipad was the one that was questioned. Why do we need a really big iphone that can't be used as a phone outside the house??? A few years later everyone wanted it and apple was validated.

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We all get that it is Apple's first step. What I'm saying is that it's no different than anyone else's and lacks the vision of the iPod, iPhone, and iPad. Those devices had things that made them fundamentally different than anything else and they were first steps in different directions. This is a step in the same direction, and IMO the wrong one.

Like I said earlier, this isn't AR. It's VR with passthrough. They are different, and VR is the fundamental direction they are taking with this. Apple's not going to make AR or glasses the norm in 10 years because they're not doing anything to make it the norm right now.

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Exactly. Say what you will about Microsoft's Hololens, but at least it was different. It was actually AR and was released 7 years ago. Modern day Apple is no longer an innovative company.

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Also, consider Google Glass was around a decade ago and no one was interested. The new AR/VR sets do have more utility than Glass did, but one of the biggest complaints was that people looked ridiculous, which is still a major problem. The guy wearing the Vision Pro watching his kids was super creepy.

I do think AR/VR is going to be huge in our future, but I don't think the adoption is going to be anywhere near as fast as the smartphone adoption was. I think it's going to take someone figuring out that killer app, and right now they haven't done it. The Vision Pro just seems like a higher end version of everything that is already out there.

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AR and VR certainly have a future, but it is much farther out than 10 years.

About ten years or so ago I saw a virtual mock up of a wall assembly automatically overlaid onto set of plan drawings. It was done using image recognition through a phone camera, and it was cool AF. You could move the phone around and that little virtual model would sit right there overlaid onto the drawings. The issue was building the model and registering it to the detail on the plans took time and money. It could be useful, but it wasn't economical.

The hardware and technology certainly exist for AR to be something we use on a daily basis, but it is the creation of the virtual augmentations and their coupling to the physical experience that is holding it back. AI and computer vision will certainly help break that barrier, but it's not there AFAICT.

Several years ago now I did some work to set up VR models and ergonomic reviews for some projects in development. This would have been mind-blowing and cool then, but it's not something that I look at and go, "OMG THIS IS THE FUTURE!" right now. There are similarly capable devices that already have content from developers out there.

For personal use, it's just a very high end VR headset. Unless Apple does away with the display and moves to a see through display like the HoloLens, this literally isn't going anywhere. It's something to use occasionally at home or the office for specific tasks, not some life changing device anyone is going to wear all day. Even if the form factor shrank and the battery life increased, it's still a screen over your face. No one is wearing that on the street or around the house or engaging someone else in casual conversation with it. That's why glasses are the Holy Grail of AR. And as much as we'll hear that this is the first iteration, that kind of design change is not the kind of change you see between model versions. You're talking entirely different technology and engineering to meet very different challenges. MS has spent years on that kind of development and isn't there yet. I don't see Apple making some giant leap after rolling this out.

What's the point of Facetime or virtual meetings if instead of me you just see an anthropomorphized cat?