fig96 said:

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ABATTBQ11 said:

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MacBook Air was originally a premium product priced above the MacBook, but popularity and lowering production prices lead to the discontinuation of the MacBook and the Air being the entry level offering.

As far as the 13" MacBook Pro and iPad Mini, those are form factor design decisions, not necessarily options made to be cheaper, consumer level products.

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And priced below the MacBook Pros. And yes, different form factors can make things cheaper...hmm

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So the consumer edition is going to be a monocle? What about an eye patch?

fig96 said:

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I'm already talking to an attorney to see if iPatch has been trademarked.

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It has to have a single camera in the middle so the wearer looks like a cyborg

These eye-tracking demos are pretty insane…

I’ve just finished watching Apple’s visionOS sessions. Some of these concepts and the way Apple has implemented the design is mind blowing 🤯

Here are 5 examples that I loved:

1. Eye zoom. Just look at _where_ on an image you want to zoom in, and pinch your fingers apart pic.twitter.com/0EcyCTufO8

— Andrew Hart (@AndrewHartAR) June 18, 2023

3. If your fingers control your mouse pointer, how do you easily move to the other side of the screen, without having to reach all the way across?

Well this is how - look and tap. pic.twitter.com/wqgawFfJHb

— Andrew Hart (@AndrewHartAR) June 18, 2023

5. Can Apple make typing on a virtual keyboard a _better_ experience than a physical one? Maybe?

visionOS does support using a physical keyboard too, but the virtual keyboard is very well designed - raised keys, dynamic hover-highlighting to guide your finger, audio feedback. pic.twitter.com/8wvHEunT5M

— Andrew Hart (@AndrewHartAR) June 18, 2023

That's pretty damn impressive.

I somewhat want it to suck, but I don't think it is going to at all.

It'll probably do everything it's supposed to very well and will be innovative also. I just don't think there will be a big market for it.

Preorders start in a few weeks.

Also Apple is now in the corrective lenses business for an additional $149?

The same Devo song used for the theme of Ridiculousness

I wish I could give someone my discount.

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Really impressive.

The only thing was: the girl he talked to on FaceTime who also had the headset on had an uncanny valley thing going. She looked weird.

That's because it's not really her. It's an artificial version scanned before you start using it.

BoydCrowder13 said:

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BoydCrowder13 said:

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Won't be buying the first iteration at that price. But excited to see where the technology goes in the next 5 years.

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Yeah, they just had to bite the bullet and release the super expensive/bulky version, in order to get it out into the wild and start the real-world development process. But once they finally get this thing to the size of a large pair of sunglasses, and at the price point of, say, an iPhone Pro, it has the potential to be pretty damn cool. I'd buy it for air travel alone, never mind everything else it'll be able to do in a few years.

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One day they may misfire but they have a great method.

Release new technology before it is perfected at a high price point and get by on name and hype. And then have a much improved model ready to go in 12 months.

Apple Watch came out 8 years ago for $550+. You can get the newest one (8) right now for $380. And the technology has improved so much in 8 years. And now basically the whole country has one.

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This isn't necessarily Apple's method. This has been the method for most of the computer age for most tech hardware and is more a function of natural technology evolution from launch product to mature product.

YouBet said:

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BoydCrowder13 said:

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TCTTS said:

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BoydCrowder13 said:

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Won't be buying the first iteration at that price. But excited to see where the technology goes in the next 5 years.

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Yeah, they just had to bite the bullet and release the super expensive/bulky version, in order to get it out into the wild and start the real-world development process. But once they finally get this thing to the size of a large pair of sunglasses, and at the price point of, say, an iPhone Pro, it has the potential to be pretty damn cool. I'd buy it for air travel alone, never mind everything else it'll be able to do in a few years.

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One day they may misfire but they have a great method.

Release new technology before it is perfected at a high price point and get by on name and hype. And then have a much improved model ready to go in 12 months.

Apple Watch came out 8 years ago for $550+. You can get the newest one (8) right now for $380. And the technology has improved so much in 8 years. And now basically the whole country has one.

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This isn't necessarily Apple's method. This has been the method for most of the computer age for most tech hardware and is more a function of natural technology evolution from launch product to mature product.

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No, it's Apple's method. They were the first to come up with this approach. Just like they were the first to do MP3 players, smart watches, and tablets.

evan_aggie said:

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That's because it's not really her. It's an artificial version scanned before you start using it.

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Yeah I know. I'm saying it's not well done.

Hah. I guess you go Meta avatar or a semi realistic.

The FaceTime deepfake kind of looks like Rogue One Tarkin to me. I am scared of how good it is going to end up being.

Kind of curious if it can truly capture the full essence of my wife's RBF when I purposely try to annoy her though.

VCRs, Cam Corders, fax machines.

evan_aggie said:

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I wish I could give someone my discount.

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Can you not buy and resell? How much is the discount? Dibs?

I've watched a bunch of reviews of this and the consensus I seem to see is that this is the most amazing tech you'll never use. Everyone seems to agree that the eye tracking is amazing and the immersion is incredible. However, they also seem to agree that it is very heavy, and you'll likely tire of wearing it after a while. Everyone also seems to agree that the eyes on the outside are creepy as hell. Apparently, Apple won't let any of the reviewers take a picture of the someone when the eyes are visible, most likely because of how bad it is.

Anyways, I kind of feel like this is going to be both a smashing success and a total failure at the same time. The tech will be amazing, but few will buy it beyond the hard core Apple people.

The biggest winner from this may be Meta, because Apple has just showed them the way...

Meta didn't benefit. They are losing so much money on their Quest products. Most people I know have bought a quest and used it for 5 hours and never again.


They don't have an ecosystem for functional purposes beyond gaming. Even though they've sold millions of units...they are dead in the water. Most of their engineering is pivoting to datacenter / AI internal compute/server stuff.

I would only ever consider this for gaming or movies. Working in this is fake news. Until someone can meet or beat the finite control you get with hand and mouse then using this for work is a non-starter.

iPads aren't even capable work devices and they've existed for a decade or more.

AustinAg2K said:

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I've watched a bunch of reviews of this and the consensus I seem to see is that this is the most amazing tech you'll never use. Everyone seems to agree that the eye tracking is amazing and the immersion is incredible. However, they also seem to agree that it is very heavy, and you'll likely tire of wearing it after a while. Everyone also seems to agree that the eyes on the outside are creepy as hell. Apparently, Apple won't let any of the reviewers take a picture of the someone when the eyes are visible, most likely because of how bad it is.

Anyways, I kind of feel like this is going to be both a smashing success and a total failure at the same time. The tech will be amazing, but few will buy it beyond the hard core Apple people.

The biggest winner from this may be Meta, because Apple has just showed them the way...

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Yeah, based on everything I've seen/read so far, this is the future… just not this iteration. Until the size is somewhere between what it is now and a pair of glasses, this will remain a niche product. The second the weight is cut down, though, as someone who already wears glasses, I would have no problem wearing something like this at my desk everyday for work instead of using a physical monitor. Heck, I'll probably buy whatever the next iteration is, even if only slightly lighter, just for movie/TV watching, seeing as that feature alone looks incredible.

But for now, it seems like this first version is essentially going be a glorified dev kit for a few hundred thousand "beta testers." I'm going to let the bugs/kinks get worked out, wait on more features/apps to be developed, then I definitely see myself buying the next iteration, in a year-and-half or so, or whenever it drops.

Regardless, yeah, the eyes are creepy as hell, and so unnecessary. There should just be, like, a little green indicator light on the outside to let anyone else in the room know that passthrough is on and the user can see you. If there's a red light, the user can't see you. Something like that. If for some insane reason I'm having a full on conversation with someone wearing this thing I wouldn't give two sh*ts if I could see their eyes or not.

YouBet said:

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I would only ever consider this for gaming or movies. Working in this is fake news. Until someone can meet or beat the finite control you get with hand and mouse then using this for work is a non-starter.

iPads aren't even capable work devices and they've existed for a decade or more.

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I agree that iPads aren't the best for doing legit work, but you *can* use a keyboard and mouse with them, and I imagine you'll (eventually, if not at launch) be able to do the same here. I agree that I would never do actual work with only had gestures, but I would definitely use a lighter version of the Vision Pro, at my desk, paired with a physical keyboard and mouse. Being able to have multiple floating windows open, at any sizes I want, would be a game-changer.

Everything they show looks awesome, but I just still struggle to see a use case for me.

I'm never going to use this for work because 1) the programs I use for work are never going to be implemented on this hardware and have no reason to be, 2) when I am in office, I'd never wear this because I frequently have people coming into my office or am going to others' offices. I'm not going to spend all day putting on and taking off a headset, 3) do I have to reposition everything if I take the headset off? I wake up my computer and everything is in the same field of vision I expect. That's not to mention the hand gestures which will never, ever compare to a mouse and keyboard (though I know this will surely tie into mouse and keyboard).

When I'm at home, I'd only ever think to use this if I'm watching a movie by myself or playing a game by myself. And those moments are especially rare with a wife and kid. This isn't like a phone or tablet where you just put it down when you have a distraction - you're either frequently taking it on and off or using the pass through video which I'm sure is no where close to looking like what it would normally, not to mention the fact that you'll look so dumb when talking to others and you have those weird eyes (or green squares, whatever) passing through on their end. The other thing I'm really curious about is the audio. The demos don't show airpods, so I assume that audio is audible to people near you? If I'm in a situation where I'm off in my own world watching a movie with my wife sitting on the couch next to me, she's going to get really annoyed hearing what I'm watching.

The only time I could see this be useful is when I am by myself consuming media, and even then I don't know if I'd want to have this thing strapped to my face and be immersed. I have tried a few iterations of VR with gaming and didn't enjoy the experience. Motion sickness sometimes, but mostly not enjoying how I felt completely closed off from everything else around me in the real world.

And they never mention it, but the videos always show a cord coming out of the headset and going to something that's in a pocket. I don't know how many of yall have ever used a VR headset on the market - it sucks having a wired headset. This thing has to go wireless to even have a chance. Not to mention the apparent bulk of the product.

Overall, a very cool piece of engineering and technology. It's some iterations away from being viable, but I still struggle to see how this is going to be a sell outside of single people who work in a world that's perfectly integrated with Apple's ecosystem.

evan_aggie said:

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Meta didn't benefit. They are losing so much money on their Quest products. Most people I know have bought a quest and used it for 5 hours and never again.


They don't have an ecosystem for functional purposes beyond gaming. Even though they've sold millions of units...they are dead in the water. Most of their engineering is pivoting to datacenter / AI internal compute/server stuff.

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Right. That's my point. Meta has a decent headset, and it's a quarter of the price the Vision Pro, but it's generally not used after the initial couple of days. Now Meta can see what Apple is doing and copy it, and maybe get some market traction. The average person isn't going to drop $3500 on a VR headset, but they might drop $600 if they think it's close to the Vision Pro.

I don't know how true this is, and I'm no legal expert, but I saw someone say that a lot of the more innovative things Apple did with this are copyrighted like crazy, making it difficult for companies like Meta to outright copy certain features. I'm sure there are of course plenty of workarounds, but it might not be as easy as Meta just doing their own version.

Meta can copy every single thing Apple does to a T, and I'm suggesting it doesn't matter bc Meta doesn't have an ecosystem or OS. You can't launch Facebook or Instagram into a $2000 required work environment or entertainment hub.

RealityOS for integration into safari, work, display mirroring etc. isn't possible outside of Apple.

BowSowy said:

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Everything they show looks awesome, but I just still struggle to see a use case for me.

I'm never going to use this for work because 1) the programs I use for work are never going to be implemented on this hardware and have no reason to be, 2) when I am in office, I'd never wear this because I frequently have people coming into my office or am going to others' offices. I'm not going to spend all day putting on and taking off a headset, 3) do I have to reposition everything if I take the headset off? I wake up my computer and everything is in the same field of vision I expect. That's not to mention the hand gestures which will never, ever compare to a mouse and keyboard (though I know this will surely tie into mouse and keyboard).

When I'm at home, I'd only ever think to use this if I'm watching a movie by myself or playing a game by myself. And those moments are especially rare with a wife and kid. This isn't like a phone or tablet where you just put it down when you have a distraction - you're either frequently taking it on and off or using the pass through video which I'm sure is no where close to looking like what it would normally, not to mention the fact that you'll look so dumb when talking to others and you have those weird eyes (or green squares, whatever) passing through on their end. The other thing I'm really curious about is the audio. The demos don't show airpods, so I assume that audio is audible to people near you? If I'm in a situation where I'm off in my own world watching a movie with my wife sitting on the couch next to me, she's going to get really annoyed hearing what I'm watching.

The only time I could see this be useful is when I am by myself consuming media, and even then I don't know if I'd want to have this thing strapped to my face and be immersed. I have tried a few iterations of VR with gaming and didn't enjoy the experience. Motion sickness sometimes, but mostly not enjoying how I felt completely closed off from everything else around me in the real world.

And they never mention it, but the videos always show a cord coming out of the headset and going to something that's in a pocket. I don't know how many of yall have ever used a VR headset on the market - it sucks having a wired headset. This thing has to go wireless to even have a chance. Not to mention the apparent bulk of the product.

Overall, a very cool piece of engineering and technology. It's some iterations away from being viable, but I still struggle to see how this is going to be a sell outside of single people who work in a world that's perfectly integrated with Apple's ecosystem.

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I could see using this for work if I was a detective and I needed to see the video of a crime before it happened...