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I wonder if this will be like the iPhone that starts off with amazing tech but expensive and limited, then quickly becomes ubiquitous. Or if it be like 3D TV that everyone thinks they want but ends up a fad with all the tech in drawers collecting dust.

I guess we'll know in a year or two.

I hate coming off as a hater, but I still just don't see how this becomes useful enough to warrant everyone having one. With the iPhone, it turned out that having a device that was always connected to the internet in a comparable way to a computer was something that everyone wanted. And it's a phone, which is easy to put away and be minimally intrusive if you want.

I really struggle to see what unasked need this tech addresses. The idea of AR glasses is very intriguing, but this is way far from that. I remember being excited for Google Glass but that was shelved for whatever reason.

To be fair, I also questioned why anyone would want an expensive tablet or smart watch, and I now have been using both an iPad and Apple Watch for years. So maybe I am not a good judge of what tech is revolutionary haha


It addresses younger generations desire to live their lives online and not in the physical world. Very common sci-fi trope but reality tends to follow sci-fi in many ways.
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TCTTS said:

A game-changer. This (among many other things) will be what gets me to buy the next iteration. Finally being able to watch movies shot in IMAX in their true 1.43:1 IMAX aspect ratio. Until now, we could only see these versions of the movies in true IMAX theaters, as even the home-released, 16x9 versions of IMAX movies, that claim to give us the IMAX versions, cut off the top and bottom of the 1.43:1 IMAX frame. So, for instance, soon every Christopher Nolan movie will finally be able to be seen again as originally intended, at home, with no cropping/compromises...


Ooh, with integrated AI for real-time translation
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TCTTS said:

As an example, most AMC IMAX screens, LieMAX screens, and IMAX on Blu-ray/digital only give us the 1.90:1 versions. But now, for the first time ever, the "taller," 1.43:1 image will finally be able to be seen at home, which is so much more immersive...




You posted this for me, didn't you? Because now these have my attention. I'm intrigued with these for movies like this and gaming but that's it. Won't ever work on it or wear it in public.
I think the home entertainment angle is where it has by far the best chance to take hold. Interactively watching a game or race, watching a movie in true 3D, family game night, etc.
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fig96 said:

YouBet said:

TCTTS said:

As an example, most AMC IMAX screens, LieMAX screens, and IMAX on Blu-ray/digital only give us the 1.90:1 versions. But now, for the first time ever, the "taller," 1.43:1 image will finally be able to be seen at home, which is so much more immersive...




You posted this for me, didn't you? Because now these have my attention. I'm intrigued with these for movies like this and gaming but that's it. Won't ever work on it or wear it in public.
I think the home entertainment angle is where it has by far the best chance to take hold. Interactively watching a game or race, watching a movie in true 3D, family game night, etc.


I tend to agree, but also, I don't think 3D movies is going to be what does it. 3D TVs already failed, and a lot of that is because people didn't want to have to wear glasses. I do think some of the ideas that have been proposed around sports (specifically the F1 kind of stuff) could move the needle.
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This deepfake app will be fun

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AustinAg2K said:

fig96 said:

YouBet said:

TCTTS said:

As an example, most AMC IMAX screens, LieMAX screens, and IMAX on Blu-ray/digital only give us the 1.90:1 versions. But now, for the first time ever, the "taller," 1.43:1 image will finally be able to be seen at home, which is so much more immersive...




You posted this for me, didn't you? Because now these have my attention. I'm intrigued with these for movies like this and gaming but that's it. Won't ever work on it or wear it in public.
I think the home entertainment angle is where it has by far the best chance to take hold. Interactively watching a game or race, watching a movie in true 3D, family game night, etc.


I tend to agree, but also, I don't think 3D movies is going to be what does it. 3D TVs already failed, and a lot of that is because people didn't want to have to wear glasses. I do think some of the ideas that have been proposed around sports (specifically the F1 kind of stuff) could move the needle.
I read that James Cameron was working on some technology to get 3D screens that dont require glasses once. Not sure if he gave up on that
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People want passive TV.
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PatAg said:

AustinAg2K said:

fig96 said:

YouBet said:

TCTTS said:

As an example, most AMC IMAX screens, LieMAX screens, and IMAX on Blu-ray/digital only give us the 1.90:1 versions. But now, for the first time ever, the "taller," 1.43:1 image will finally be able to be seen at home, which is so much more immersive...




You posted this for me, didn't you? Because now these have my attention. I'm intrigued with these for movies like this and gaming but that's it. Won't ever work on it or wear it in public.
I think the home entertainment angle is where it has by far the best chance to take hold. Interactively watching a game or race, watching a movie in true 3D, family game night, etc.


I tend to agree, but also, I don't think 3D movies is going to be what does it. 3D TVs already failed, and a lot of that is because people didn't want to have to wear glasses. I do think some of the ideas that have been proposed around sports (specifically the F1 kind of stuff) could move the needle.
I read that James Cameron was working on some technology to get 3D screens that dont require glasses once. Not sure if he gave up on that

He's James Cameron, the greatest pioneer. He'll find a way.
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These ideas have already been done through different VR/AR experiences. I just did one at CES at the Canon booth where 100 Canon cameras were placed all around inside an arena to capture a live 360 degree view of the basketball court and its players. And then I was able to watch the action prerecorded or live in an AR setup that had the court and players right in front of me on a coffee table as if I'm god. I was also able to be transported down to mid-court or anywhere else on the court to experience everything up close. So Apple would bring nothing new to the table when it comes to these killer ideas/apps that would convince more people to buy a headset. The only thing that Apple has is much better sensors, hardware, and technology to where AR experiences like this is a lot more seemless and lifelike to where you could eventually forget you even have a headset on. The headsets used by Canon had subpar resolution and refresh rate.
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AustinAg2K said:

fig96 said:

YouBet said:

TCTTS said:

As an example, most AMC IMAX screens, LieMAX screens, and IMAX on Blu-ray/digital only give us the 1.90:1 versions. But now, for the first time ever, the "taller," 1.43:1 image will finally be able to be seen at home, which is so much more immersive...




You posted this for me, didn't you? Because now these have my attention. I'm intrigued with these for movies like this and gaming but that's it. Won't ever work on it or wear it in public.
I think the home entertainment angle is where it has by far the best chance to take hold. Interactively watching a game or race, watching a movie in true 3D, family game night, etc.


I tend to agree, but also, I don't think 3D movies is going to be what does it. 3D TVs already failed, and a lot of that is because people didn't want to have to wear glasses. I do think some of the ideas that have been proposed around sports (specifically the F1 kind of stuff) could move the needle.
Agreed, the 3D stuff is more of a bonus. But it's the kind of situation where I'd probably watch occasionally if I already had a headset.
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I doubt I'd ever go this hard with this thing, but still cool to see in action nonetheless..

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cav14 said:

These ideas have already been done through different VR/AR experiences. I just did one at CES at the Canon booth where 100 Canon cameras were placed all around inside an arena to capture a live 360 degree view of the basketball court and its players. And then I was able to watch the action prerecorded or live in an AR setup that had the court and players right in front of me on a coffee table as if I'm god. I was also able to be transported down to mid-court or anywhere else on the court to experience everything up close. So Apple would bring nothing new to the table when it comes to these killer ideas/apps that would convince more people to buy a headset. The only thing that Apple has is much better sensors, hardware, and technology to where AR experiences like this is a lot more seemless and lifelike to where you could eventually forget you even have a headset on. The headsets used by Canon had subpar resolution and refresh rate.


I do find it funny that so many people are essentially giving Apple a pass on a lot of this stuff by saying, "I can see what the future will be!!!" No one said that for the others when they showed their stuff, even though it is mostly the same.

One of the biggest things Apple coming into the market will do is allow others to improve their specs (and raise the price). When the Meta Quest Pro came out, a lot of people complained because it was a thousand dollars. Now it looks like a bargain compared to the Vision Pro. There were apparently huge arguments inside Meta about if they should make it higher end or keep it affordable. Although I haven't played with the Vision Pro or the Quest 3, from the videos I've seen online, the Quest 3 is perhaps more impressive. Not more impressive in that it can do more than the Vision Pro, but more impressive in that it can do 80-90% of the Vision Pro at a quarter of the price.
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Did pass-through mode exist to this level in other products? I know google glass was clear glasses, but didn't have near the functionality. It seemed to me like it could always be one or the other until now.
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Quest 3 does not have eye tracking
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BQRyno said:

Did pass-through mode exist to this level in other products? I know google glass was clear glasses, but didn't have near the functionality. It seemed to me like it could always be one or the other until now.


Pass through exists on both the Quest Pro and Quest 3. Probably other devices, too. Quest Pro has eye tracking as well, but the Quest 3 doesn't. Both have hand tracking, or can use controllers. Both can act as remote desktops, and can allow for multiple monitors (something Vision Pro cant do yet). I'm not sure it works with Apple products, though. Certainly not as seamless as the Vision Pro.

The Vision Pro does have better resolution, and a better processor, but also at 3 times the price (or 7 times compared to the Quest 3) I would expect that.

I'm not suggesting the Vision Pro is a bad product, far from it. I just feel like other competitors in the space made an attempt to keep the device somewhat affordable. If Meta wanted to charge $3000, I bet the Quest 3 would have had 4K monitors for each eye, eye tracking, etc.
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Alright, which one of y'all is this?

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J.P. 03 said:

Alright, which one of y'all is this?



I've got to be honest, I'm a little disappointed he had to shut the door himself instead of just using his fingers.
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This is art.

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Fast forward to the 2 hr 56 min mark when they discover the AR models on Apple's website are setup to reflect the immersed environment lighting. Then at 3:08:25, a reflection of the TV in the room renders in real time on the watch glass



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https://instagr.am/p/C3EiLFmr9gi
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TCTTS said:

I doubt I'd ever go this hard with this thing, but still cool to see in action nonetheless..


Trying to understand something here.

At least as far as at his desk, he just recreated something digitally that you could have physically with monitors?
The ones he has floating on either side of his chair is interesting, but pretty sure turning to look at them constantly would get real old.
Then he has a digital TV on his wall where he could already have a TV? Maybe its just bigger than what he would normally have, and you dont have to mount it?
Then he has grocery notes on his fridge, which again you can just do.
The idea of a floating youtube screen in the kitchen over the stove is neat.

I guess another way to look at it is,the Vision Pro is expensive, but it may cost less than the total sum of everything its replacing.
From electronics, to furniture, and even the setup/mounting costs for all of it.

And you can just easily move and adjust your digital setup as you want for no additional cost.
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Bingo.

The customizable factor will be a big selling point.

Though, I don't know that it will ever replace all of those things, or that many people will ever pin that many windows all over their homes.

For instance, until this tech can be implanted in the eyeball, and we can sync up what we're watching with other people, we're all still obviously going to have TVs that family and friends can physically gather around. So for the next X amount of years/decades, the headset will simply be an alternate way to watch things, usually alone (in bed, on a plane, or "with" someone who's not physically with you, etc), but on an IMAX-size screen or whatever.

That said, when the headset is light enough, for me, I could possibly see it replacing my desktop computer monitor for work. And yeah, also using it to cook in as well, for ingredients, timers, etc. Then, sure, I might also pin a ten-day weather forecast somewhere in the house too, or a reminder on the fridge to change the water filter. Another cool thing would be a "sport" model where you have mile markers geo pinned around your neighborhood or wherever, with your best times for those markers floating in mid-air, making runs feel more like a video game, in ways that help motivate you.

Basically, I think of it less as a "replacement" for real life items and more of an "enhancement" for real life tasks/entertainment.
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PatAg said:

TCTTS said:

I doubt I'd ever go this hard with this thing, but still cool to see in action nonetheless..



I guess another way to look at it is,the Vision Pro is expensive, but it may cost less than the total sum of everything its replacing.
From electronics, to furniture, and even the setup/mounting costs for all of it.

And you can just easily move and adjust your digital setup as you want for no additional cost.

Until all of those things require a monthly app subscription.
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TCTTS said:




Or like this:


Also, what happens if you "pin" a window inside a subway car? Is it still there if you leave and get back on the next day?
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I gotta admit I really want one of these. I'm a nerd so this is right up my wheelhouse. $3500 is just too much for me to swing. However if it was $1500 I'd be super super tempted.
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TCTTS said:


Another cool thing would be a "sport" model where you have mile markers geo pinned around your neighborhood or wherever, with your best times for those markers floating in mid-air, making runs feel more like a video game, in ways that help motivate you.


Take that a step further, and it can operate like Time Trials in racing games where it puts a 'ghost' version of yourself on your screen and you try to race your best time.

Or you go to a track and you can race Usain Bolt
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You gonna run a race with that thing on your face?
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PatAg said:

TCTTS said:

I doubt I'd ever go this hard with this thing, but still cool to see in action nonetheless..


Trying to understand something here.

At least as far as at his desk, he just recreated something digitally that you could have physically with monitors?
The ones he has floating on either side of his chair is interesting, but pretty sure turning to look at them constantly would get real old.
Then he has a digital TV on his wall where he could already have a TV? Maybe its just bigger than what he would normally have, and you dont have to mount it?
Then he has grocery notes on his fridge, which again you can just do.
The idea of a floating youtube screen in the kitchen over the stove is neat.

I guess another way to look at it is,the Vision Pro is expensive, but it may cost less than the total sum of everything its replacing.
From electronics, to furniture, and even the setup/mounting costs for all of it.

And you can just easily move and adjust your digital setup as you want for no additional cost.


It's maybe less than the cost of what is replacing if you are single, but you need several thousand more dollars in headsets to watch anything with friends or family. You think anyone is going to come over for your Superbowl party when they have to bring a Vision Pro to watch and be plugged in to a wall to be able to watch the whole game? Netflix and chill is going to start really awkwardly when you tell her you don't have a TV to watch anything on and she's going to have to sit there and talk to you with a giant thing on your face unless she brings her own. Even if she does, something about bumping headsets seems really weird.

Also, Apple is (in)famous for not always playing well with others. If there's ever going to be a shared social aspect to this, are they going to play nicely with other manufacturers, or are your friends and family going to need to be in the Apple ecosystem too?

There are some great ideas here, but I don't know if this whole thing was fully thought through.
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Sea Speed said:

You gonna run a race with that thing on your face?


We're talking about when it's way lighter, way down the line.
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TCTTS said:

Sea Speed said:

You gonna run a race with that thing on your face?


We're talking about when it's way lighter, way down the line.


Its going to have to be light as glass lense sunglasses imo, but I like where yalls heads are at.
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Ah social media has once again provoked me to pull out my Idiocracy DVD. Mike Judge continues to prognosticate.
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When you spend all your money on tech and not a tailor.
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Wireless transmission of "4k" video from a base unit to TV was shown by LG and Samsung at CES. Take VisionOS and R1 chip, put it in a Mac Mini (M2 chip or coming M3 version) form factor or smaller, and transmit one or two data streams to each display in a smaller, lighter headunit. No battery when at home, free to walk around with no wires, and most of the weight relocated to a base unit.
 
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