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In reply to Stat Monitor Repairman • 1:04p, 6/6/23
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That's not going to happen within 10 years. Organizational inertia all but guarantees it.

On top of that, orgs are already fighting WFH. They want the on office productivity, but they also want the personal interaction and connection. You aren't personally bought into an organization when your interactions are limited virtual meetings and phone calls. That's something you don't care about walking away from. Remote work also hampers creativity and the spread of ideas. Oddly enough, one of my first and most successful VR implementations stemmed from an off hand conversation I had about someone's convoluted drawing details while waiting to talk to someone else. I just happened to need to kill a few minutes and end up next to the right desk. That doesn't happen in a virtual office.
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Stat Monitor Repairman said:
BowSowy said:
Stat Monitor Repairman said:
In 10-years, everyday computing on a traditional screen will be the equivalent of using an abacus.
I think this is exciting, but you're dreaming if you think this will be adopted wide scale in the business world in the next decade.
I think it will.

Employers will set up virtual offices and be able to monitor employees eyeballs during the workday and look over and see your digital avatar working away at your desk.

Also the technology of rendering a realtime digital avatar for use on zoom calls and so forth will become commonplace.

Can foresee meetings taking place in a conference room filled with digital avatars.

It's gonna be adapt or die.

you know, imo.
I just don't see it. I'm sure more tech-forward businesses and industries will start to move to this over the next decade. But I think AR/VR has yet to provide a compelling use case for why this needs to be adopted by businesses in the immediate or near future.

Plus, I am more certain that workplaces overall are going to move away from WFH over the next decade than I am that they are going to lean harder into WFH and virtual meetings.

Not to mention, the ergonomics of this thing. I'm sure future revisions will reduce the size, but you're still talking about having a screen 5" in front of your face for 8+ hours each day. And I'm not sure if you've ever used any of the existing headsets with motion controls - using motion controls gets annoying and tiresome after a while. I can't imagine working a computer that doesn't have a mouse and doesn't have haptic feedback for typing.
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In reply to Definitely Not A Cop • 1:27p, 6/6/23
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Definitely Not A Cop said:
I could see AR being a thing in the next 10 years, but I don't see it being practical for most for another 30. The biggest step forward to me was COVID causing the widespread adoption of QR codes in certain industries. If you combined AR with QR code adoption, then you could provide practical value to the AR equipment.

For example, instead of just primarily being a way to look up a restaurants menu, if you had them on any piece of equipment, it would take you to the installation manual on the manufacturer's website. It could show you a full video for installation that you could watch side by side while you do the installation or servicing yourself. Or you buy something at a garage sale with a broken component or screw missing, and you can automatically pull that IOM up now to see what you need to replace it.

Instead of throwing up an error code for a computer, car, washing machine, etc malfunction, it throws up a QR code with the specific malfunction with a video on how to fix it yourself.



In some ways this already exists. As an example, Trimble has software for the HoloLens that can overlay virtual building models onto a construction site based on QR codes painted or taped onto the floor. The idea behind adding O&M manuals, maintenance history, etc to things in buildings has been around for decades. I've even done it a few times.

Plenty of manuals and products include QR codes to training videos or product registration.

The problem is that you don't really need a headset or AR for 99% of that stuff. What you WOULD need it for is going farther and having something like a tutorial overlaid on what you're disassembling or doing maintenance on. Say I'm replacing a timing chain on a truck. I can watch a video on how to do it without AR, but AR could add virtual arrows to all of the bolt locations on the timing chain cover while I'm taking it off so I don't miss any. However, that requires recognition of the objects in front of me to register the headset, tablet, phone, etc's position in relation to it and maintain the overlay. You could have it lock onto a QR code or something else, but then you need it properly positioned and have to make sure it doesn't come off. That kind of stuff, along with creating the actual overlay, is what is hard and holding back adoption.
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In reply to BowSowy • 1:29p, 6/6/23
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I once played around with a motion controller for 3D model manipulation. After about 10 minutes I said **** this and went back to a mouse because my arms and fingers were tired.
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In reply to Definitely Not A Cop • 1:32p, 6/6/23
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I could see AR being a thing in the next 10 years, but I don't see it being practical for most for another 30. The biggest step forward to me was COVID causing the widespread adoption of QR codes in certain industries. If you combined AR with QR code adoption, then you could provide practical value to the AR equipment.

For example, instead of just primarily being a way to look up a restaurants menu, if you had them on any piece of equipment, it would take you to the installation manual on the manufacturer's website. It could show you a full video for installation that you could watch side by side while you do the installation or servicing yourself. Or you buy something at a garage sale with a broken component or screw missing, and you can automatically pull that IOM up now to see what you need to replace it.

Instead of throwing up an error code for a computer, car, washing machine, etc malfunction, it throws up a QR code with the specific malfunction with a video on how to fix it yourself.

Again, the goggles would need to become more functional and cost effective for this to happen. They don't need to both cost and look like they are pressure-rated for a personal submarine you and James Cameron own together.
Those are good ideas, but I don't see why you would need glasses to do this. You can do it all with a smart phone.
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In reply to TCTTS • 1:37p, 6/6/23
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TCTTS said:
Stat Monitor Repairman said:
The iphone came out around 2007.

Not everybody was on board with the iphone in certain industries.

A lot of people thought is was a gimmick and a fad.

This technological leap is a lot like that.

There will be early adopters.

And there will be people playing catch-up.

Theres no way this isn''t the next iPhone. It's a solid bet you are looking at the cultural the equivalent of the release of iPhone 1.

Exactly.

Right now, we have to pull our phones out of our pockets, open up the desired app, and then our head is pointed down, toward our phone, with tunnel vision on a single app.

This will eventually become a thing of the past.

No more crouching over our phones, no more looking down, no more tunnel vision. Instead, wherever you are, whatever you're looking at, with the flick of a finger you'll be able to instantly bring up any app - or apps - floating directly in front of you, or off to the side, as translucent as you need, as big or as small as you want them to be. And every appliance, every vehicle, every grocery store, every building will have what amounts to QR codes that give you all kinds of options for respective readouts, data, ingredients, historical information, etc. Your thermostat, your sprinkler settings - basically any home data that can be paired with WiFi - will have the ability to be "pinned" to any given wall, or float in the middle of a room. Instead of trying to find the model number with a flashlight on your broken kitchen faucet, then look up a video on YouTube on how to fix it, AR will be able to instantly identify your faucet model, then highlight exactly what part is broken, and guide you toward fixing it, after ordering whatever part it needs. You'll be able to watch a real TV, but then hovering off to on one side you can have TexAgs up in a browser during a game, and on the other side of the TV, floating next to it, all kinds of live stats. Same thing while being *at* a game. Or, the TV itself will be able to be virtual as well, with TV sizes becoming a thing of the past. Also, forget physical dashboards in cars... any dashboard info you want will be able to be arranged however you want (unless you want a physical dashboard, of course). Never mind what students, doctors, architects, designers, and other professions will use it for.

Basically, there will be an entire world of apps and stats layered over reality, that we can customize to our heart's desire... or not use at all.

And today was a big step toward that "reality," even if a rudimentary version through a bulky pair of Goggles that basically no one will use in public. Eventually, though... they'll be glasses, contacts, and finally, some kind of implant. And Apple finally entering the space today makes it all the more possible, that much sooner.


Ted Kacynzski was right
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In reply to ABATTBQ11 • 1:40p, 6/6/23
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This isn't new. There are already other headsets out there with similar interfaces and capabilities. Eye and hand tracking headsets with retinal displays and occlusion detection already exist, and this is just Apple's version of what is currently out there. It's a small step forward, but it isn't the iPhone.
exactly.

its why i joke that apple is basically "yesterday's technology, today." All the apple fanboys get excited about some new feature or whatever, and I'm over here like, yeah, I had that a year ago. There have been obvious exceptions to this, the iPhone being the biggest, but apple isn't as innovative as their fans think they are.

Apple makes solid products and they historically have been more user friendly than other devices in the tech ecosystem, but I think that gap has shrunk significantly.
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In reply to BowSowy • 1:46p, 6/6/23
BowSowy said:
Stat Monitor Repairman said:
BowSowy said:
Stat Monitor Repairman said:
In 10-years, everyday computing on a traditional screen will be the equivalent of using an abacus.
I think this is exciting, but you're dreaming if you think this will be adopted wide scale in the business world in the next decade.
I think it will.

Employers will set up virtual offices and be able to monitor employees eyeballs during the workday and look over and see your digital avatar working away at your desk.

Also the technology of rendering a realtime digital avatar for use on zoom calls and so forth will become commonplace.

Can foresee meetings taking place in a conference room filled with digital avatars.

It's gonna be adapt or die.

you know, imo.
I just don't see it. I'm sure more tech-forward businesses and industries will start to move to this over the next decade. But I think AR/VR has yet to provide a compelling use case for why this needs to be adopted by businesses in the immediate or near future.

Plus, I am more certain that workplaces overall are going to move away from WFH over the next decade than I am that they are going to lean harder into WFH and virtual meetings.

Not to mention, the ergonomics of this thing. I'm sure future revisions will reduce the size, but you're still talking about having a screen 5" in front of your face for 8+ hours each day. And I'm not sure if you've ever used any of the existing headsets with motion controls - using motion controls gets annoying and tiresome after a while. I can't imagine working a computer that doesn't have a mouse and doesn't have haptic feedback for typing.
Universal is already incorporating this technology in their Nintendo world rides. Advertising is also an exciting prospect as you now have space beyond a billboard or side of a building which is quite costly to effectively advertise anywhere. Think what Times Square is, but virtual. The main problem with this tech is the cost and the look. If cellphones make the leap from handheld devices to devices you can wear, it's not out of the realm of possibility to see that leap. We already have airpods, we just need the visual component and then the tech to make use of eye movement to activate action and application. What's really exciting is using this overlay in self driving cars. If there becomes less of a need to actually be at the wheel, this tech would be wondrous for long treks across the nation. Think bigger, expand your thinking to 10-20 years down and incorporate all advancements to see the future clearly.
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In reply to AustinAg2K • 1:48p, 6/6/23
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This is the kind of thing a headset would be useful for:



A headset frees your hands to do the actual maintenance while you follow along. It's a lot more intuitive than reading a manual, and it gives more freedom and insight than a video because it is tailored to your perspective. I could see it being very useful for more complex jobs like disassembling complex equipment or engines.

In construction you could (can, really) see what you're supposed to be building in situ. Sometimes offsets in pipes and ducts and other things don't make sense until you see everything else installed around them. It could also help workers do checks on embeds, sleeves, and other items to ensure things aren't missed or mislocated. You can do it with an iPad, but a headset is more efficient and frees your hands for working. Many years ago I did site checks with an iPad to make sure things were being installed on the right places and orientations. I could to eyeball it on the iPad versus what I saw, but a headset with occlusion detection and an automatic overlay would have made things so much easier and faster.
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AustinAg2K said:
Definitely Not A Cop said:
I could see AR being a thing in the next 10 years, but I don't see it being practical for most for another 30. The biggest step forward to me was COVID causing the widespread adoption of QR codes in certain industries. If you combined AR with QR code adoption, then you could provide practical value to the AR equipment.

For example, instead of just primarily being a way to look up a restaurants menu, if you had them on any piece of equipment, it would take you to the installation manual on the manufacturer's website. It could show you a full video for installation that you could watch side by side while you do the installation or servicing yourself. Or you buy something at a garage sale with a broken component or screw missing, and you can automatically pull that IOM up now to see what you need to replace it.

Instead of throwing up an error code for a computer, car, washing machine, etc malfunction, it throws up a QR code with the specific malfunction with a video on how to fix it yourself.

Again, the goggles would need to become more functional and cost effective for this to happen. They don't need to both cost and look like they are pressure-rated for a personal submarine you and James Cameron own together.
Those are good ideas, but I don't see why you would need glasses to do this. You can do it all with a smart phone.


Same reason my brother has a pair of Raybans right now with built in Bluetooth speakers and camera hooked up to his phone. It's easier to wear something constantly than pulling something out of your pocket when you need it and holding it the entire time. Especially when you have more money than sense.
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In reply to agdoc2001 • 2:00p, 6/6/23
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What's the point of Facetime or virtual meetings if instead of me you just see an anthropomorphized cat?

Why do you hate Furries?
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Send me back to the 80's or 90's. Hell, I'd take the 70's. Everything was better back then. Depression, suicide rates, quality of life...pretty much everything.
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In reply to Dimebag Darrell • 2:29p, 6/6/23
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Send me back to the 80's or 90's. Hell, I'd take the 70's. Everything was better back then. Depression, suicide rates, quality of life...pretty much everything.
Buy the VR goggles and then you can live in an 80s virtual world. It's basically the same thing.
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In reply to DannyDuberstein • 2:31p, 6/6/23
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Middle aged man question, but if you need reading glasses, would you have to wear them to use this? Seems like mixing close and far could be an issue

Custom-fit prescription lenses can be snapped into place, over the current eye holes. There's a video showing how it works. When you purchase it, there will be an option to provide your prescription, add the lenses, etc.
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AustinAg2K said:
Another major issue with this implementation is battery life. The dream of sitting back and watching a movie on a 100 ft screen isn't going to come to fruition when you've only got a 2 hour battery.

It also plugs into an outlet, just like any MacBook. No idea how long the standard cord will be, but with an extension cord you'll obviously be able to use it anywhere in your home, for however long you want. Again, no way I'm buying this first iteration, but if I did, I doubt I'd ever use the battery.
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Battery would be useful for the plane. But then I guess you'd need 2 batteries for any flight (or movie) over 2 hours.
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double aught said:
TCTTS said:
Stat Monitor Repairman said:
The iphone came out around 2007.

Not everybody was on board with the iphone in certain industries.

A lot of people thought is was a gimmick and a fad.

This technological leap is a lot like that.

There will be early adopters.

And there will be people playing catch-up.

Theres no way this isn''t the next iPhone. It's a solid bet you are looking at the cultural the equivalent of the release of iPhone 1.

Exactly.

Right now, we have to pull our phones out of our pockets, open up the desired app, and then our head is pointed down, toward our phone, with tunnel vision on a single app.

This will eventually become a thing of the past.

No more crouching over our phones, no more looking down, no more tunnel vision. Instead, wherever you are, whatever you're looking at, with the flick of a finger you'll be able to instantly bring up any app - or apps - floating directly in front of you, or off to the side, as translucent as you need, as big or as small as you want them to be. And every appliance, every vehicle, every grocery store, every building will have what amounts to QR codes that give you all kinds of options for respective readouts, data, ingredients, historical information, etc. Your thermostat, your sprinkler settings - basically any home data that can be paired with WiFi - will have the ability to be "pinned" to any given wall, or float in the middle of a room. Instead of trying to find the model number with a flashlight on your broken kitchen faucet, then look up a video on YouTube on how to fix it, AR will be able to instantly identify your faucet model, then highlight exactly what part is broken, and guide you toward fixing it, after ordering whatever part it needs. You'll be able to watch a real TV, but then hovering off to on one side you can have TexAgs up in a browser during a game, and on the other side of the TV, floating next to it, all kinds of live stats. Same thing while being *at* a game. Or, the TV itself will be able to be virtual as well, with TV sizes becoming a thing of the past. Also, forget physical dashboards in cars... any dashboard info you want will be able to be arranged however you want (unless you want a physical dashboard, of course). Never mind what students, doctors, architects, designers, and other professions will use it for.

Basically, there will be an entire world of apps and stats layered over reality, that we can customize to our heart's desire... or not use at all.

And today was a big step toward that "reality," even if a rudimentary version through a bulky pair of Goggles that basically no one will use in public. Eventually, though... they'll be glasses, contacts, and finally, some kind of implant. And Apple finally entering the space today makes it all the more possible, that much sooner.
Hey man, I own Apple stock too. So keep selling! But this is a niche product.

VR: The next big thing for the last 30 years!

This wasn't a pro-Apple post. It was just a quick glimpse at how AR will potentially be used, in general, years from now, through whatever brand of AR glasses or contacts you own. I don't know how many more times I have to say this - it's like some of you don't even read the thread before commenting - but no one here thinks the current iteration of the Vision Pro will be used for any of this stuff (save for potentially watching TV/movies/sports).
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In reply to Tibbers • 2:50p, 6/6/23
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Universal is already incorporating this technology in their Nintendo world rides. Advertising is also an exciting prospect as you now have space beyond a billboard or side of a building which is quite costly to effectively advertise anywhere. Think what Times Square is, but virtual. The main problem with this tech is the cost and the look. If cellphones make the leap from handheld devices to devices you can wear, it's not out of the realm of possibility to see that leap. We already have airpods, we just need the visual component and then the tech to make use of eye movement to activate action and application. What's really exciting is using this overlay in self driving cars. If there becomes less of a need to actually be at the wheel, this tech would be wondrous for long treks across the nation. Think bigger, expand your thinking to 10-20 years down and incorporate all advancements to see the future clearly.
There are definitely exciting use cases, which is why overall I'm excited to see if this tech truly takes off. I still think we're a long ways off from people wearing these outside of their home.

But you brought up a point I never thought about. If this starts to get taken over by advertising, it will kill it for me.
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Tibbers said:

Universal is already incorporating this technology in their Nintendo world rides. Advertising is also an exciting prospect as you now have space beyond a billboard or side of a building which is quite costly to effectively advertise anywhere. Think what Times Square is, but virtual. The main problem with this tech is the cost and the look. If cellphones make the leap from handheld devices to devices you can wear, it's not out of the realm of possibility to see that leap. We already have airpods, we just need the visual component and then the tech to make use of eye movement to activate action and application. What's really exciting is using this overlay in self driving cars. If there becomes less of a need to actually be at the wheel, this tech would be wondrous for long treks across the nation. Think bigger, expand your thinking to 10-20 years down and incorporate all advancements to see the future clearly.
There are definitely exciting use cases, which is why overall I'm excited to see if this tech truly takes off. I still think we're a long ways off from people wearing these outside of their home.

But you brought up a point I never thought about. If this starts to get taken over by advertising, it will kill it for me.
it will at some point. both direct advertising and "they" will sell the **** out of your data.
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In reply to AggieOO • 3:10p, 6/6/23
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AggieOO said:
BowSowy said:
Tibbers said:

Universal is already incorporating this technology in their Nintendo world rides. Advertising is also an exciting prospect as you now have space beyond a billboard or side of a building which is quite costly to effectively advertise anywhere. Think what Times Square is, but virtual. The main problem with this tech is the cost and the look. If cellphones make the leap from handheld devices to devices you can wear, it's not out of the realm of possibility to see that leap. We already have airpods, we just need the visual component and then the tech to make use of eye movement to activate action and application. What's really exciting is using this overlay in self driving cars. If there becomes less of a need to actually be at the wheel, this tech would be wondrous for long treks across the nation. Think bigger, expand your thinking to 10-20 years down and incorporate all advancements to see the future clearly.
There are definitely exciting use cases, which is why overall I'm excited to see if this tech truly takes off. I still think we're a long ways off from people wearing these outside of their home.

But you brought up a point I never thought about. If this starts to get taken over by advertising, it will kill it for me.
it will at some point. both direct advertising and "they" will sell the **** out of your data.


I have a hard time seeing such direct advertising. Data collection? Oh certainly. Ads? Far less certain. You'd need to be running an app that loaded such ads because no manufacturer is going to autoload ads based on location. That's a surefire way to kill a platform. If you want to kill the ads, just purchase ad free apps.
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I'll wait and have a holodeck installed in my basement
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In reply to ABATTBQ11 • 3:43p, 6/6/23
ABATTBQ11 said:
AggieOO said:
BowSowy said:
Tibbers said:

Universal is already incorporating this technology in their Nintendo world rides. Advertising is also an exciting prospect as you now have space beyond a billboard or side of a building which is quite costly to effectively advertise anywhere. Think what Times Square is, but virtual. The main problem with this tech is the cost and the look. If cellphones make the leap from handheld devices to devices you can wear, it's not out of the realm of possibility to see that leap. We already have airpods, we just need the visual component and then the tech to make use of eye movement to activate action and application. What's really exciting is using this overlay in self driving cars. If there becomes less of a need to actually be at the wheel, this tech would be wondrous for long treks across the nation. Think bigger, expand your thinking to 10-20 years down and incorporate all advancements to see the future clearly.
There are definitely exciting use cases, which is why overall I'm excited to see if this tech truly takes off. I still think we're a long ways off from people wearing these outside of their home.

But you brought up a point I never thought about. If this starts to get taken over by advertising, it will kill it for me.
it will at some point. both direct advertising and "they" will sell the **** out of your data.


I have a hard time seeing such direct advertising. Data collection? Oh certainly. Ads? Far less certain. You'd need to be running an app that loaded such ads because no manufacturer is going to autoload ads based on location. That's a surefire way to kill a platform. If you want to kill the ads, just purchase ad free apps.
that's absolutely how it would work. free apps = ads. pay to get rid of them. That's how it works now.

ads are absolutely going to exist in VR/AR. They will likely be in a different format, but they will be there unless the user pays money to minimize or get rid of them.
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I worked for a while with Newport News Shipbuilding working on battleship and nuclear sub construction. The IT systems had the plans and virtual "lego models" that showed how parts went together. I could see them using it for this -but man is that niche application. Extremely large construction - where it isn't mainly repetitive assembly.
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Saw a post the other day where they were operating big excavators remotely.

The operator was in las vegas and the equipment in Arizona.
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BowSowy said:
Tibbers said:

Universal is already incorporating this technology in their Nintendo world rides. Advertising is also an exciting prospect as you now have space beyond a billboard or side of a building which is quite costly to effectively advertise anywhere. Think what Times Square is, but virtual. The main problem with this tech is the cost and the look. If cellphones make the leap from handheld devices to devices you can wear, it's not out of the realm of possibility to see that leap. We already have airpods, we just need the visual component and then the tech to make use of eye movement to activate action and application. What's really exciting is using this overlay in self driving cars. If there becomes less of a need to actually be at the wheel, this tech would be wondrous for long treks across the nation. Think bigger, expand your thinking to 10-20 years down and incorporate all advancements to see the future clearly.
There are definitely exciting use cases, which is why overall I'm excited to see if this tech truly takes off. I still think we're a long ways off from people wearing these outside of their home.

But you brought up a point I never thought about. If this starts to get taken over by advertising, it will kill it for me.


IF?!?!?
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This is all fine and good, but I believe I was promised a flying car. Where the hell is my flying car??????
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It might be 5 years before they update this first gen model.

That would be my guess.
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Yeah, MacRumors and others have been pretty consistent in their reporting that the sleeker, cheaper, consumer-friendly model is roughly two years behind this one, and is already pretty far along in its development. So if this is releasing in early 2024, we're looking at early-to-mid 2026 for the next iteration (with no delays, of course).
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Good thread…

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TCTTS said:
Good thread…

What the hell is "bootstrapping"?
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Using a smaller program to install a larger program.
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Stat Monitor Repairman said:
It might be 5 years before they update this first gen model.

That would be my guess.
i'd say 3 at worst. 2 at best.

this is their first consumer iteration. they will have better chips in 2 years to make an update worth it and provide more than 2 hours battery life, along with designs to make it lighter/smaller.
Not helping me pull the trigger on this.

If it's 2-years then it makes sense to wait.

Downside ... If china destroys Taiwan and no more chips, you won't be able to watch the live action on Vision pro.
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Surprised Redstone doesn't already have one to tell us all about it.
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If Apple sold a speculum I know some guys that would buy it.
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