I may be crazy, but I seem to remember that at least one of the Gladiator (2000) trailers was set to Bawitdaba.

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Throw me next to TCTTS then. I loved the song choice. But even if I didn't like it, there are two things I find funny about some of the criticisms:

1) People acting like the movie score itself will match or incorporate the song choice of the trailer. That assuredly won't be the case, just like many (most?) movie trailer song choices.

2) The criticism of using "modern" music that doesn't match the period of the film. Sorry, but the score for the original film didn't match the period either - as others have mentioned, there certainly wasn't an ensemble orchestra playing in the coliseum. But the original film score was fantastic nonetheless. So, the more accurate criticism would be the choice of hip hop as opposed to pretending the critique is just to choosing a non-period-accurate song. I think some people are trying to make their criticism sound more objective or logic-based than choice of taste, but it doesn't really work.

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Are we allowed to think that the trailer looks like crap, the main actor looks like a neanderthal, and this is a weak attempt to cash in on one of the greatest films of all time?

Nanomachines son said:

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MASAXET said:

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Cliff.Booth said:

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Throw me next to TCTTS then. I loved the song choice. But even if I didn't like it, there are two things I find funny about some of the criticisms:

1) People acting like the movie score itself will match or incorporate the song choice of the trailer. That assuredly won't be the case, just like many (most?) movie trailer song choices.

2) The criticism of using "modern" music that doesn't match the period of the film. Sorry, but the score for the original film didn't match the period either - as others have mentioned, there certainly wasn't an ensemble orchestra playing in the coliseum. But the original film score was fantastic nonetheless. So, the more accurate criticism would be the choice of hip hop as opposed to pretending the critique is just to choosing a non-period-accurate song. I think some people are trying to make their criticism sound more objective or logic-based than choice of taste, but it doesn't really work.

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1. People expect the movie will be bad and full of modern political themes as a result of the music choice.

2. The original movie had one of the best musical scores of all time so this comment falls flat on its face. Lisa Gerrard sang in Latin on the original score and it clearly had a lot of Italian influences. The choice to not use that score in the trailer is simply insane. Go look the top gun maverick teaser to see how this should be done.

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Only a politically obsessed lunatic would think this.

Claude! said:

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I may be crazy, but I seem to remember that at least one of the Gladiator (2000) trailers was set to Bawitdaba.

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That was the Super Bowl ad - not sure if that counts as it is cuts of the movie interspersed with football

The Porkchop Express said:

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MASAXET said:

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Cliff.Booth said:

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Throw me next to TCTTS then. I loved the song choice. But even if I didn't like it, there are two things I find funny about some of the criticisms:

1) People acting like the movie score itself will match or incorporate the song choice of the trailer. That assuredly won't be the case, just like many (most?) movie trailer song choices.

2) The criticism of using "modern" music that doesn't match the period of the film. Sorry, but the score for the original film didn't match the period either - as others have mentioned, there certainly wasn't an ensemble orchestra playing in the coliseum. But the original film score was fantastic nonetheless. So, the more accurate criticism would be the choice of hip hop as opposed to pretending the critique is just to choosing a non-period-accurate song. I think some people are trying to make their criticism sound more objective or logic-based than choice of taste, but it doesn't really work.

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Are we allowed to think that the trailer looks like crap, the main actor looks like a neanderthal, and this is a weak attempt to cash in on one of the greatest films of all time?

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Absolutely, sure, and... we can't possibly know that yet without having seen the final product first.

Glad we're all being super normal in here.

Once you learn Romans actually filled the Colosseum with water for naval battles, that’s the type of thing that resides in your brain forever and makes you wonder why there aren’t two dozen movies about that specifically. I’m glad Ridley Scott understood this. https://t.co/mRiNx1UtoF

— Diego Crespo (@thediegocrespo) July 9, 2024

I read some of this thread before I watched the trailer. I guess y'all got my expectations in the right place because I thought it made this movie look like pretty good fun.

Pre-emptive spoilers for my initial theory (I don't know anything about the movie or history but still calling my shot lol).

Denzel turns out to be the bad guy like in Training Day and main character has to form an uneasy alliance with the emperors to take him down. Turns out leaving Rome in control of the emperors is a better alternative for the people than letting Denzel have control.

Emperors try to turn on main character once Denzel is out of the way but main character escapes and heads back to exile to live happily ever after kinda like John Snow at the end of GoT.

Or in an eyeroll inducing final scene we see him walking toward the ruins of Maximus's old estate in Spain, hands on the wheat and everything.

Not bad.

Are these emperors Caracalla and Geta?

Correct.

Joseph Quinn is Geta.
(from the last season of Stranger Things, and soon to be Johnny Storm in The Fantastic Four)

Fred Hechinger is Caracalla.
(from season one of The White Lotus)

Definitely need denzel to do the Malcolm X speech in this film. It fits oddly well.

One of the reasons that it is bad for us to continue to just refer to ourselves as the so-called gladiator, that's negative.

When we say so-called gladiator, that's pointing out what we aren't, but it isn't telling us what we are. We are Romans, and we happen to be in Rome. We are not Senators. We are a people who formerly were Romans who were kidnaped and brought to Rome. Our forefathers weren't the Caesars.

We didn't land on the Colloseum; the Colloseum was landed on us.

We were brought here against our will; we were not brought here to be made citizens. We were not brought here to enjoy the constitutional gifts that they speak so beautifully about today. Because we weren't brought here to be made citizens--today, now that we've become awakened to some degree, and we begin to ask for those things which they say are supposedly for all Romans, they look upon us with a hostility and unfriendliness.

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Glad we're all being super normal in here.

Once you learn Romans actually filled the Colosseum with water for naval battles, that’s the type of thing that resides in your brain forever and makes you wonder why there aren’t two dozen movies about that specifically. I’m glad Ridley Scott understood this. https://t.co/mRiNx1UtoF

— Diego Crespo (@thediegocrespo) July 9, 2024

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They did do some wacky and cool stuff in the Colosseum, but I'd still rather they hire historical consultants and make the scenes plausible/accurate. The flooded arena spectacles were basically two barges moving toward one another and reenacting historical naval battles with men jumping onto the enemy ship and doing melee combat. Like, that is actually badass and could be portrayed as the Romans actually wrote about it with no need for embellishments. But, I get that most viewers don't know or care about that stuff and just want an action movie.

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Gladiator 3-D will have a submerged iceberg and the Titanic in the Colosseum.

"This time it's personal"

T&Ps for anyone who hasn't seen Training Day or the ending of GOT

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liked the gladiator two trailer but i can't believe Ridley Scott would make a historical error this big: they didn't have cameras back then so it was impossible to make a movie about gladiators. Next time he should hire a real historian to consult with

— Lego “Shalashaska” Kingo (@LegoKingo) July 9, 2024

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Cough. Is this thing on?

One fact about Roman gladiatorial games that stuck with me and I wish to see depicted is that wealthy Roman women could pay to rent their favorite gladiator for a night.

Nanomachines son said:

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Throw me next to TCTTS then. I loved the song choice. But even if I didn't like it, there are two things I find funny about some of the criticisms:

1) People acting like the movie score itself will match or incorporate the song choice of the trailer. That assuredly won't be the case, just like many (most?) movie trailer song choices.

2) The criticism of using "modern" music that doesn't match the period of the film. Sorry, but the score for the original film didn't match the period either - as others have mentioned, there certainly wasn't an ensemble orchestra playing in the coliseum. But the original film score was fantastic nonetheless. So, the more accurate criticism would be the choice of hip hop as opposed to pretending the critique is just to choosing a non-period-accurate song. I think some people are trying to make their criticism sound more objective or logic-based than choice of taste, but it doesn't really work.

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1. People expect the movie will be bad and full of modern political themes as a result of the music choice.

2. The original movie had one of the best musical scores of all time so this comment falls flat on its face. Lisa Gerrard sang in Latin on the original score and it clearly had a lot of Italian influences. The choice to not use that score in the trailer is simply insane. Go look the top gun maverick teaser to see how this should be done.

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1. If this is true, then people are crazy. You can tell all of that based on the song choice for one trailer?

2. You say my comment that explicitly included saying the original movie's score "was fantastic" falls flat on its face because . . . the original movie's score was one of the best of all time? Please make that make sense.

I'm sorry but shoehorning rap into the trailer simply because the lyrics mention the colosseum was a bad move. On top of that Mescals character which is supposed to be Lucius btw seems hell bent on taking down Pascal and Denzel wants Rome to fall.

I'm very skeptical form what we seen and don't think it will come close to the original. The people online who are defending the song choice keep bringing up Kid Rock, that was an NFL promo not a theatrical trailer. I don't think Denzel was cast well for this movie, his American accent is throwing me off, traditional Hollywood uses and English accent for ancient Romans

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I'm sorry but shoehorning rap into the trailer simply because the lyrics mention the colosseum was a bad move. On top of that Mescals character which is supposed to be Lucius btw seems hell bent on taking down Pascal and Denzel wants Rome to fall.

I'm very skeptical form what we seen and don't think it will come close to the original. The people online who are defending the song choice keep bringing up Kid Rock, that was an NFL promo not a theatrical trailer. I don't think Denzel was cast well for this movie, his American accent is throwing me off, traditional Hollywood uses and English accent for ancient Romans

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This is literally just a sentence about the plot, with zero explanation as to why any of that is bad.

Yes I'm well aware there are two factions on Twitter right now going at it over this. I'm also aware they spoke latin, doesn't mean the non English accent is throwing me off. Djimon Hansous accent fit because it made sense, the American accent is a relatively new concept, he gives off that vibe unfortunately. and I love Denzel. They should have had Idris or some other english bloke

I'll also say this about the song choice, it worked well IMO with Great Gatsby because the 1920s aren't that long ago. It just didn't work in an ancient Roman time setting

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Don't want a movie about "Rome bad". Maximus didn't want Rome to fall, he wanted it governed by moral men. Thats the whole them of the first movie

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Where are you getting this?

No one is saying "Rome bad." ONE character wants it to fall, so he can seemingly either benefit from it financially or become its new ruler. And that character is an arms dealer who is clearly not meant to be the protagonists. In fact, I'd say it's pretty obvious he's not the best dude, and is likely manipulating Mescal's character to some degree.

Otherwise, Pascal's character seems to want to save Rome - or at least its dignity - while the emperor brothers plunge it into chaos. Who knows where Mescal's character ends up, but he's clearly one of the good guys here, and there's zero word from him about "Rome bad" either.

I swear, the takes some of you are inferring, about a movie no one has seen yet, are so wild.

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I need a data analyst to plot TC's approximate drop in productivity over the past 24 hours while goaltending this trailer.

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I'm getting all kinds of sh*t done.

In fact, between arguments yesterday we had an incredibly productive zoom with the production company of one of the biggest movie stars in the world, and we're now officially making a TV show together.

Otherwise, I'm currently building a pitch deck for a movie we're developing with a big writer/producer, his movies/shows damn near everyone here has seen.

I'm ****ing killing it right now.

Taking a break every half hour or so on average to quickly respond is nothing. Plus, again... it's damn fun.

Cliff.Booth said:

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One fact about Roman gladiatorial games that stuck with me and I wish to see depicted is that wealthy Roman women could pay to rent their favorite gladiator for a night.

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That was covered in depth by Starz in Spartacus season 1