OK. Thank you. I appreciate the response.

I have no idea where this is all going, wondering what kind of major cliffhanger they are going to leave us with after next week.

So many accomplices in the apparent killing of Gemma, but Lumon coming across more like a cult than a company makes that perhaps believable. Or could there be a twist to make it more palpable to what they are doing to Gemma (or has already happened to her); I'm just not sure what that could be.

Ms. Cobel had a sinister look in the final shot but could have just been cinematic effect or her just being in character to deal with Mark S.

What was up with Jame visiting Helly? And if Helly goes in the down elevator, doesn't she just become unsevered? Perhaps a potential Helly/Helena Cold Harbor involvement that even Helena is unaware of?

And I could kind of see Innie Dylan ****ing his outie; as they already showed how devastated he was when he got fired. I think he was bluffing when he said he would quit. "Fine, you can do my wife, just don't quit or get fired."

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Someone explain to me why they have to go to the birthing place to talk to Cobel.

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I'll tell you this much, when Cobel said "She's one of James'" as they were sneaking in that place...

If this dude is secretly severing women so he can abuse their severed selves without fear of repercussions, yikes.

Do you mean "Jame's" with an apostrophe or did she literally say "James"? I can't remember.

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Jame Eagen is WEIRD, weird. But Helly has tricked father. Ruh roh

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What do you mean by this? Just wondering if I missed something.

Pretty sure that was just to imply that this woman needed to have this kid on the DL. Also, I think Devon had her shirt puffed out to look pregnant.

His words were something like: "Helly, you have tricked me" when he was down on the Severed floor.

Oh, that's right.

No idea what that means, though.

Good to know, thanks.

So after the whole Twilight Zone thing (which I watched last night), I wanted to look up Winter Tide to see if there could potentially be something there. One thing we know is nothing about this show is by chance or coincidence. So I googled Winter Tide, and it is a alternate reality fantasy/horror novel. Don't want to post too much, but if you have a hankering, fun to read through some information on it. No idea what it all means or how it is connected, but looks like it could certainly have some tie ins there.

I seen on Lumon's LinkedIn that the outtie still has to respond the the resignation request. So outtieDylan will probably deny it to get back at innieDylan.

First, I just started this. Second, it's a wierd dynamic in what we like as a family. After the first episode, my mindset was "oh *** yes. This is resonates with every fiber of my being in that it's dark and dystopian."

The wife and kids mindset "wow. This is boring as hell. This sucks. Enjoy your show, dad."


I can't fathom this but I guess I'm on my own. I'm digging the **** out of this.

I convinced my wife to give it another shot when season two started after she gave up on episode 1 of the first season. I basically just had to tell her to trust me. Now she's hooked. It took till episode 3 or 4.

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S1 is a slow build. If they stick it out, they'll be hooked. My wife was not into it initially either; she thought it was way too slow, dark and depressing. Now she's all-in.

The throttle is fully down by the end of the season 1 and it hasn't let up since, imo.

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My wife is the total opposite. Loved the first season, then didn't like all the weird stuff in season 2. She's pretty much completely out on it now.

I have a strong feeling this is the correct theory. Warning: don't click if you don't want a theory that could be correct and view that as a spoiler.

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What was with the train station by the way. Why was every one there dressed like they were in the 1940s? The ticket booth operator with vest and hat, the men with topcoats and hats, women with dresses, heels, and updos.

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I also noticed that it was a passenger train, but it was being pulled by a freight engine. They don't typically use freight engines for that.

Another Soviet connection this episode.

Milkshake tells Ms. Huang she's being transferred to the Egan Empathy Center in Svalbard where she will work to 'steward global reforms.'

Svalbard is a remote island in the Arctic Ocean and one of the northernmost populated cities on earth.

It has a population of around 2500 today, but throughout the Cold War 2/3rds of the population were Soviets.

Soviets had company town on Svalbard until 1989 to sustain workers at a coal mine. Also known for the two northernmost statues of Lenin

About 500 Russians live on Svalbard today including about 23 workers to sustain the infrastructure at the old Soviet mine that was abandoned in 1998.

Svalbard is home to the famous Svalbard Global Seed Vault where duplicates of seeds from around the world, conserved in gene banks.

NASA operates a ground station there to communicate with satellites in polar orbit.

In any event, there is some significance to Svalbard though. Not very many people know about that place and they wouldn't have picked that randomly.

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S1 is a slow build. If they stick it out, they'll be hooked. My wife was not into it initially either; she thought it was way too slow, dark and depressing. Now she's all-in.

The throttle is fully down by the end of the season 1 and it hasn't let up since, imo.

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My wife is the total opposite. Loved the first season, then didn't like all the weird stuff in season 2. She's pretty much completely out on it now.

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My wife thought the first season was slow as hell, but stuck it out. Never got hooked, but finished it. Now she thinks the second season is slow as hell, but so far has stuck it out. Still not hooked, but hasn't given up. It's pretty far down on her list of shows to watch, though.

I am more into the show than she is, probably because of this thread, but I do agree with her that it is extremely slow. Half of every episode seems to be shots of people walking through the hallway or shots of some snowy wilderness. I'm pretty sure if someone just watched the last 15 minutes of each episode, they would still be able to follow the plot and understand what's going on (or at least as much as the rest of us).

I really want to believe that there is a vision for exactly where this show is going, and they are moving toward an end goal. My wife, who watches bits and pieces when I have it on, keeps telling me it will probably be like Lost and get over-expanded with elements that never resolve.

The show creators have said they will answer every question that gets presented on the show. It's not meant to be a JJ Abrams mystery box; mystery for mystery's sake. Stiller says he knows the ending; he's been told by Dan Erickson.

For this thing to go four to five seasons as previously confirmed, then you have to be correct. I don't see how they can stick to just the severance floor for another 2-3 seasons.

And I wish I could watch Mad Men new all over again.

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And I wish I could watch Mad Men new all over again.

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Man, I never watched Mad Men or Breaking Bad live, and always wondered what the hype was for.

Then we watched both on Netflix after both series had wrapped.

Yeah...I get it now why people were crazy about having to wait a week (or off-season).

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I'm even more convinced of my Devon theory. Of course, I am probably completely wrong and will have egg on my face, or rather "a conspicuous lapse in discernment", as our mustachioed friend would say.

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What a very Milkchik-esque double entendres joke :-)

I hope you get it raw.

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This shot after Dylan quit and essentially took his own life.

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I'm not on the hype train with the rest of this board. I'm watching the show and think it is decent, but I do not think it's the greatest thing of all time.

This painting is a good example. So yeah, they have this shot of Dylan about to be symbolically beheaded, but the painting is ridiculous in the first place. If this painting was in any of our workplaces, we would all WTF over it. This painting is clearly put there JUST for the symbolism and is way too in our faces about it. What ever happened subtle foreshadowing?

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For this thing to go four to five seasons as previously confirmed, then you have to be correct. I don't see how they can stick to just the severance floor for another 2-3 seasons.

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Mark reintegrates completely at the end of Season 2. Ding! He's not a Macro Data Refinery. He's the helmsman of the USS Defiant in the Battle of Sector 001 and the Borg must be defeated.

I would say I'm also pretty mid on the show. I enjoy it, and it satisfies something that has been missing for me since Lost, but to me, it's not as good as Lost. Even if all the story lines have eventually endings, I was just more into Lost, even knowing only 25% percent of the mystery had payoff.

That said, I feel like this show isn't really made for an average viewer. I think it's a "director's show" or a "cinematographer's show." I feel like the show isn't necessarily driven by story sometimes. Sometimes it feels like it's driven by having an amazing shot. They put that painting in the hall in the first episode of the season. Although it fits in this world, I kind of feel like the whole reason they put it there was to have this shot 8 episodes later.

If you look at most of the reactions, I didn't think most are, "Oh, wow, I never saw that twist coming!" I think most are, "Oh, wow, check out the amazing way they framed this!"