Don't f*** with the Jesus

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Helena going to find Mark in real life, and their interactions towards the end at the restauran,t is her maybe trying to fish to see if outtie mark has innie marks memories.


That or she felt a connection with him and feels drawn to him still.

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I think it's a bit of both.

Mark needs TRT. He dropped the ball on that whole Helly under-the-desk sex tent deal. Might be protein deficient. Who knows what they put in the Lumon snack fridge.

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Was also a bit shocked to see how old Denethor (Fields) has gotten. And then I remember that LOTR is almost 25 years old. He was 54 in LOTR.

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I knew I recognized him from somewhere but couldn't place it. They were already eating dinner, they should have given him a cherry tomato lol

Finally caught up on the show, which is great because this show is so good and really draws you in. But sucks now that I have to wait for new episodes!

As predicted after S2S1 the love entanglement between Marki/Marko Helly/Helena is where the juice will be squeezed.

They've clearly expanded this to Irv, and Dylan.

The point? Not sure, possibly that love transcends severance

They're clearly tipping some message through Irv's papers that they keep showing, with various circles or underlined letters. Haven't deciphered that m

Hopefully we don't see a train go down the dark hallway by way of symbolism.

Milkshake IMO may be one of the reincarnated minds. I think his use of language hinted at that and the scene in the last episode where he is trying to remove that from himself reinforced it.

I found the scene with the nose bleed very interesting. When the little girl goes to take his BP, he starts flashing, but other characters on both ends seem to be able to tell he is flashing. The doctor lady calls it a crossover memory, but if it was a memory of his day at Lumon, how is the the little girl able to tell that he's flashing? You can even faintly her saying, "Mark? Mark?" after the scene switches completely back to the basement. Somehow, he was interacting with both locations at the same time.

Also, at the beginning of the episode, the layout of his house was remarkably similar to the break room at Lumon. The couch was essentially the same couch, in the same relative location to the fridge. We've seen similar with the hallways in previous episodes.

Maybe this was discussed earlier, but I am starting to wonder if life at Lumon is actually somehow in Marc's self conscious. I have no idea how it makes sense with the unsevered people, but it is starting to seem to me that the Innie world and the Outie world are kind of both happening at the same time.

TCTTS said:

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AustinAg2K said:

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I found the scene with the nose bleed very interesting. When the little girl goes to take his BP, he starts flashing, but other characters on both ends seem to be able to tell he is flashing. The doctor lady calls it a crossover memory, but if it was a memory of his day at Lumon, how is the the little girl able to tell that he's flashing? You can even faintly her saying, "Mark? Mark?" after the scene switches completely back to the basement. Somehow, he was interacting with both locations at the same time.

Also, at the beginning of the episode, the layout of his house was remarkably similar to the break room at Lumon. The couch was essentially the same couch, in the same relative location to the fridge. We've seen similar with the hallways in previous episodes.

Maybe this was discussed earlier, but I am starting to wonder if life at Lumon is actually somehow in Marc's self conscious. I have no idea how it makes sense with the unsevered people, but it is starting to seem to me that the Innie world and the Outie world are kind of both happening at the same time.

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I could of course be wrong, but my guess is that this is all done in service of the cool, flashing-back-and-forth effect + stylish production design over hinting at any kind of actual, happening-at-the-same-time plot point. In other words, I wouldn't take the apartment layout in his visions or any of that stuff literally, in terms of its actual, physical positioning. IMO, the "coincidence" in the layout is just a way to highlight what's happening in his mind.

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That's how I was taking it until the point he has the flashback when getting his BP taken. Up until that point, I think every time he flashed there only a person on one side of the flash, so it could be taken that the other side was just a memory. However, when getting his BP taken, the teenage girl can clearly see he is flashing. She has a reaction to the effect of, "Marc, are you ok?" That would mean it was his Innie having a flash of the Outie world. However, during the same flash, sketchy Dr lady can also see he is flashing. This would mean it wasn't a memory. He was literally moving between the worlds. Maybe it's something similar to Desmond's time traveling on Lost or something. I don't know, but it seems to me that it's more than he's just having a memory of the other world.

Same deal, I just see that as putting cool film trickery/effects above everything else (in a good way). I wouldn't take it so literally. Just because innie and outtie Mark are being shown - to us - as flashing/skipping "at the same time," that doesn't necessarily mean they're both flashing/skipping at literally the same time, in-show.

In other words...

- Innie Mark is flashing/skipping during his day at Lumon.

- Outtie Mark is flashing/skipping during his night at home.

And the filmmakers are simply choosing to show their separate flashing/skipping episodes to us simultaneously.

That's how I interpreted it, at least.

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I posted this before having a chance to watch it, but I just knocked it out and, first of all, I've never seen a showrunner of Lindelof's pedigree breakdown another show - especially one in roughly the same wheelhouse as his - like this before. But I'm so glad he did, as there's a reason he's the GOAT when it comes to this sort of thing. Because listening to him talk about Severance, and watching his brain work in theory/mystery box mode, in real time, is so damn cool. It's worth listening to solely for his "one big theory" - which I'm convinced of now - but also for his greater thematic musings and Lost talk as well. This dude just gets it.

If anything, it's a conversation that, for me, solidifies Severance as *the* next big prestige show, in the wake of/potentially up there with Better Call Saul, Succession, etc. It felt like we've been moving in that direction these past few episodes, this conversation confirmed it for me, and if Stiller & co manage to stick the landing this season, there will be no question.

Either way, I can't wait for tomorrow night.

There are no coincidences in the show or tricks to make something seem cool. Good observation here.

There is def a time element to the show that has only been subtly hinted at

I guess I was kind of thinking this would just be a two season show and it was already prestige status and would go out on top as an all-timer without dragging this out over multiple seasons.

I would prefer that I think.

Apparently there's a four or five season plan.

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Can you pinpoint the time when he discusses this? Thanks.

Watching this now but 20 minutes in and this is incredible. I was rolling at his comments about wine people and sommeliers. Not to be discounted either that Joanna is an absolute pro.

I mean im skeptical, but the show HAS played with the characters perception of time already. The innies were told it was months after the OTP, when it was just a weekend. And we, the audience, didn't know that until the next episode. So, while I don't think innies and outties are sharing some kind of similar spacial area, I do think there is some time perception that could definitely be at play here in how they are telling the story.

Agreed there's some perception of time stuff going on.

Imagine being Mark's brain. You've got a timeline of the outie's consciousness established, and now you have an innie's timeline of consciousness (one that is sporadic, has been told lies about the timing, and is missing the first 30+ years of life).

And now the two are becoming one. And they have to mesh together. The "flashes" are not both consciousnesses existing at once, but the brain trying to knit together the fact that it's living a moment that in this combined "timeline" has already happened to the other half.

Not to mention memory isn't perfect. For example, just because two rooms look the same in Mark's flash, doesn't mean they are in reality...it's just deja vu on steroids and the brain trying to piece it all together. It's the brain saying, "These two moments happened at the same time, so the furniture should be the same, right?"

And this is happening slowly as the reintegration happens. Whatever Reghabi did to him is forcing the brain to reconcile this all at once...and that's why he's on the floor foaming at the mouth.

At least that's my take. I'm sure in a few episodes I'll be proven wrong.

100%.

I'm right there with both of you in that regard.

But "perception of time" is waaaaay different than literal "time travel," Mark's consciousness traveling back-and-forth through time in the ways being proposed, or the Lumon timeline simply being in outtie Mark's head.

Thursday night can't get here fast enough. It's been a while since I've looked forward to new episodes this much for a series.

I'm sensing a flashback episode. Purely a guess, though, no inside info...

#Severance Season 2 Episode 7 is heartbreaking with every reveal. It changes everything that we knew so far. Maybe my favorite episode of the show with the best visuals. Prepare to be emotionally devastated pic.twitter.com/ve5MqphJCu

— Zak 🌹 (@ZakRed567) February 26, 2025

hate this kind of tease BTW

TCTTS said:

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I'm sensing a flashback episode. Purely a guess, though, no inside info...

#Severance Season 2 Episode 7 is heartbreaking with every reveal. It changes everything that we knew so far. Maybe my favorite episode of the show with the best visuals. Prepare to be emotionally devastated pic.twitter.com/ve5MqphJCu

— Zak 🌹 (@ZakRed567) February 26, 2025

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I truly love this show, but "emotionally devastated?"

That's just how these weirdos talk sometimes. I usually ignore the specific language and am just trying gauge what kind of episode it will be.

"Prepare to have your concept of space and time shattered and to re-analyze every aspect of your relationship with loved ones!!

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Agreed there's some perception of time stuff going on.

Imagine being Mark's brain. You've got a timeline of the outie's consciousness established, and now you have an innie's timeline of consciousness (one that is sporadic, has been told lies about the timing, and is missing the first 30+ years of life).

And now the two are becoming one. And they have to mesh together. The "flashes" are not both consciousnesses existing at once, but the brain trying to knit together the fact that it's living a moment that in this combined "timeline" has already happened to the other half.

Not to mention memory isn't perfect. For example, just because two rooms look the same in Mark's flash, doesn't mean they are in reality...it's just deja vu on steroids and the brain trying to piece it all together. It's the brain saying, "These two moments happened at the same time, so the furniture should be the same, right?"

And this is happening slowly as the reintegration happens. Whatever Reghabi did to him is forcing the brain to reconcile this all at once...and that's why he's on the floor foaming at the mouth.

At least that's my take. I'm sure in a few episodes I'll be proven wrong.

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I think the point that is being skipped over from my original post is that when Innie Mark is getting his blood pressure taken, he starts flashing. At that point, creepy teenage girls says something to the affect of, "Mark, are you ok?" meaning she clearly notices him flashing. That implies, at that moment, his innie is having a flashback memory of something previous from Outie world. However, what he is flashing to is Outie Mark having surgery, and creepy doctor lady says something to the effect of, "Are you at Lumon? You're having a memory." So, clearly Outie Mark is having a memory of something at Lumon. Both Innie Mark and Outie Mark can't be having flashback memories at the exact same time, unless there is some sort of consciousness/time thing going on. Now, I suppose it could be that Outie Mark is having a flashback memory to an exact moment that Innie Mark is having a flashback moment to a previous moment Outie Mark was in the chair with creep doctor lady. I don't think that's the case, though.

Previous times Mark flashed back, there was either no one else in the flashback, or the people in the flashback made no reaction to Mark (like when his dead wife just continues to talk). In those cases, it definitely seemed like he was just having memories of the other side. In this case, though, both sides noticed him flashing at the same time. That's why I think there's more going on than just sticking his memories back together.