*** Disney's The Little Mermaid (Live Action Remake) ***

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In reply to littlebitofhifi • 3:25p, 7/16/19
littlebitofhifi said:
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Does Denmark have a sizable percentage of its population that is not white?


No, but only 4% of the population is redhead and the official language is still Danish. I think the point is that people only seem to care now because of skin color, whether they'll be honest with themselves about that or not. No one cared about appropriating the fairy tale for commercialism until now. Wonder why?
TBH, if Ariel is living her life in the deep sea, more than likely she and her people would be very fair skinned because of the lack of sun exposure through the generations.
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In reply to Luke Smith • 4:15p, 7/16/19
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Luke Smith said:
Here's a real life example.

My daughter was excited that the little mermaid was going to be re-made because that is her favorite Disney movie. She is a cute little redhead but when we showed her who was going to play Ariel, she asked "why does she not have red hair? Is it because people really do think redheads are ugly?"

She's been teased at school for her raid hair before. So it hurt hearing her ask that.
She may still have red hair in the movie.
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In reply to Luke Smith • 4:18p, 7/16/19
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Welcome to every parent of every black child trying to explain why all the Disney princesses and American girl dolls and Barbies have been white until the last decade. It sucks. Sucks for them, sucks for your daughter and continues to show the importance of why representation (of all kinds) matters.
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In reply to littlebitofhifi • 4:21p, 7/16/19
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Welcome to every parent of every black child trying to explain why all the Disney princesses and American girl dolls and Barbies have been white until the last decade. It sucks. Sucks for them, sucks for your daughter and continues to show the importance of why representation (of all kinds) matters.
empathy.
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In reply to Duncan Idaho • 4:27p, 7/16/19
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That's exactly what I'm saying. I sincerely believe it sucks that any child has to deal with that (tone maybe came off harsh in post, but I didn't mean it in a "get over it way"). My point is that empathy is important and it's crazy to me that so many on here are upset over this casting. Reasons like what Luke said are why representation in media matters but sadly we often don't realize it until it affects us directly.
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In reply to littlebitofhifi • 5:42p, 7/16/19
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littlebitofhifi said:
Welcome to every parent of every black child trying to explain why all the Disney princesses and American girl dolls and Barbies have been white until the last decade. It sucks. Sucks for them, sucks for your daughter and continues to show the importance of why representation (of all kinds) matters.


Most Disney princesses are based off of European fairy tales. They're white because Europe is and has for a very, very long time been white. Making them black makes no sense.

Disney capitalizes on European fairy tales because, spoiler alert, America is mostly of European heritage because it started out as a bunch of colonies from European countries. Most average people know these stories and they're relatable. Name an African fairy tale without looking it up. Now name of with a princess.

That's why there's no black Disney princesses. There's simply no popular or culturally iconic story to make a movie from that involves a princess who could conceivably or realistically be black. Native American? Pocahontas. Asian? Mulan. Arabic? Jasmine from Aladdin. Black? You tell us. Even Princess and the Frog was an adaptation of a European story, heavily borrowing from The Frog Prince. The Lion King was nothing but Hamlet in a different wrapper.

Forcing "representation" into this is just dumb and culturally insensitive. Not only does it put characters out of place, or cements the idea that all "white" heritage is the same and that white people are culturally interchangeable. Forcing "representation" in this instance is nothing but whitewashing one cultural meme to mage up for another group's lack of culture. It's BS.
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In reply to ABATTBQ11 • 6:02p, 7/16/19
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Yeah, littlebitofhifi, didn't you know that? Disney princesses are serious business. After all, these are CARTOONS we're talking about! No room for imagination or creative liberty or aspirational depictions of society. Talking animals? Sure. Totally believable. But a black princess? Get out of here with that nonsense! A cartoon about a Prince of Egypt is all the Africa anyone can handle. Everyone knows that!

Good Lord. The lengths some of you go to...
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6:30p, 7/16/19
Very curious to see how this movie sells.
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In reply to ABATTBQ11 • 6:34p, 7/16/19
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:African_fairy_tales
http://fairytalesoftheworld.com/africa/
https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_6755354

Man, if only non-Europeans had thought to tell stories before. It couldn't be that we're familiar with all the stories you reference because someone chose to make them into movies, right? Or am I the only one who didn't grow up reading Shakespeare, Aesop, and the Brothers Grimm as a child?
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In reply to littlebitofhifi • 6:43p, 7/16/19
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You'll soon find that rational, non-biased thought has no place here.

Case in point, your argument was literally "empathy" and even that was met with a diatribe about the history of princesses and storytelling and how wrong you are. In a thread about a cartoon, no less.

Even empathy is too "woke" or "PC" now. This is where we are.
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In reply to TCTTS • 6:51p, 7/16/19
LMAO, you're previous response was anything but rational. It was an emotionally charged straw man straight from the mind of a prepubescent girl. Maybe you should do what you joked about doing on page 2.
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In reply to Fenrir • 6:59p, 7/16/19
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That was the point, genius. It's literally a conversation about princesses.
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In reply to Fenrir • 7:02p, 7/16/19
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Now I'm derailing for the sake of it but I can't stop laughing that you had to edit your insult because you realized that teenage girls are typically not prepubescent.
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In reply to TCTTS • 7:17p, 7/16/19
Your point was to be a child? Congrats I suppose.

His point isn't wrong regardless of how childish you act. Previous Disney movies were geared towards it's primary audience. Lots of groups were not being represented in the movies because they were not part of the target audience.

Acting like the lack of varied representation in Disney history until recent history when the audience has been >80% white until pretty much the same recent point in time is anything but business is disingenuous unless you're also going to start campaigning Bollywood, China, Japan and every other homogeneous population to start being more inclusive.

None of that is to say there shouldn't or can't be more varied representation. I don't give two ****s what color a mermaid is. Won't stop me from watching it when I get a chance if it's good. There is a **** ton of money to be made now for sure. It's more a shame that their efforts for inclusion only seem to go as far as regurgitating movies they've already made.
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In reply to littlebitofhifi • 7:32p, 7/16/19
You mean you didn't read and know Mulan by heart before you saw the movie?

And I guess Aladdin shows that Muslims are great literary influences on American culture.
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7:50p, 7/16/19
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Oh my.
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In reply to littlebitofhifi • 7:54p, 7/16/19
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littlebitofhifi said:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:African_fairy_tales
http://fairytalesoftheworld.com/africa/
https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_6755354

Man, if only non-Europeans had thought to tell stories before. It couldn't be that we're familiar with all the stories you reference because someone chose to make them into movies, right? Or am I the only one who didn't grow up reading Shakespeare, Aesop, and the Brothers Grimm as a child?


Geez is that best of African fairy tales? No wonder Disney's just remaking the Euro ones again.
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7:55p, 7/16/19
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8:54p, 7/16/19
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9:06p, 7/16/19
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Let's be honest. I've fantasized about real life Ariel for a long time. Don't **** this up, Disney.
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In reply to The Collective • 9:35p, 7/16/19
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CJS4715 said:
Let's be honest. I've fantasized about real life Ariel for a long time. Don't **** this up, Disney.
ummmmmm....I hope Ariel aged just as much as you have during this "long time" fantasy of yours
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8:19a, 7/17/19
It's funny how POC dont see this as cultural appropriation....which we have been told numerous times is stripping away the fabric of a people group and a sin against them.

You got a lot of white folk here who take a "let THEM have a princess." Its this weird savior complex that bestows white gifts onto perceived starving blacks. If you really want to give them dignity: tell their stories, not throw them scraps.
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In reply to jokershady • 8:28a, 7/17/19
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Well, damn.
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In reply to The Debt • 8:37a, 7/17/19
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The Debt said:
It's funny how POC dont see this as cultural appropriation....which we have been told numerous times is stripping away the fabric of a people group and a sin against them.

You got a lot of white folk here who take a "let THEM have a princess." Its this weird savior complex that bestows white gifts onto perceived starving blacks. If you really want to give them dignity: tell their stories, not throw them scraps.

So, wait, what? The blacks are culturally appropriating a fictional mermaid princess? Do I have that right?
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8:43a, 7/17/19
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My daughters love Zendaya!! They're super excited she is playing Ariel
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In reply to PlanoAggie • 8:56a, 7/17/19
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My daughter loves The Greatest Showman, so I'm guessing she will love this.
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9:09a, 7/17/19
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Thread discussing a children's movie about an underwater mermaid princess that believes a fork is a comb and wants to become human turns into an argument.

Yup, this is the internet.
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In reply to Ol Jock 99 • 9:18a, 7/17/19
Ol Jock 99 said:
The Debt said:
It's funny how POC dont see this as cultural appropriation....which we have been told numerous times is stripping away the fabric of a people group and a sin against them.

You got a lot of white folk here who take a "let THEM have a princess." Its this weird savior complex that bestows white gifts onto perceived starving blacks. If you really want to give them dignity: tell their stories, not throw them scraps.

So, wait, what? The blacks are culturally appropriating a fictional mermaid princess? Do I have that right?


You left off the step where the country that has consistently interbred between races and cultures and continues to evolve what it means to be "white", took a story from a "pure" white country and appropriated it by pulling in someone of an ethic group that wasn't traditionally seen as an "other" and not as good as other "whites" when they made the cartoon version
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In reply to PlanoAggie • 9:19a, 7/17/19
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PlanoAggie said:
My daughters love Zendaya!! They're super excited she is playing Ariel
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In reply to hph6203 • 9:24a, 7/17/19
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hph6203 said:
Yup, this is the internet.


You say it negatively, but I believe this is peak Internet.
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9:28a, 7/17/19
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Lets storm the Marianas Trench. If we naruto swim, they cant stop all of us.


Let's see them mermaids
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9:34a, 7/17/19
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[insert actually meme]

We all know Naruto didn't swim, he ninja walked on water.
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In reply to Ol Jock 99 • 9:49a, 7/17/19
Ol Jock 99 said:
The Debt said:
It's funny how POC dont see this as cultural appropriation....which we have been told numerous times is stripping away the fabric of a people group and a sin against them.

You got a lot of white folk here who take a "let THEM have a princess." Its this weird savior complex that bestows white gifts onto perceived starving blacks. If you really want to give them dignity: tell their stories, not throw them scraps.

So, wait, what? The blacks are culturally appropriating a fictional mermaid princess? Do I have that right?

That's the very definition of cultural appropriation. Taking something that is innocuous from another people group and applying it to your own. Wearing a sombrero or having dreadlocks effects 0.0% of people except the individual choosing to sport those looks, yet the "victim-community" declares this a social sin and is, brace yourself, RACISM.

If you think it's silly to debate something as mundane as a story of a mermaid princess, these are the very rules of the paradigm the idiots created. The double standard is apparent. But folks are too steeped with white guilt to have objective assessment.
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10:14a, 7/17/19
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What I'm really looking forward to is the reaction from all these same folks when the script is tweaked to lessen the very creepy "have the girl change everything about herself and leave her friends and family just to be with the dude" trope. The cartoon/fairy tale purists are seriously going to lose their minds over having a black feminist Ariel.
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10:25a, 7/17/19
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I think it is more a story of a dreamer wanting more than is available in her home (like a small town girl moving to a big city). Sure, a boy serves as the catalyst to get her moving, but her ambition and desire is clear from the start of the film. So, while the story could probably have some modernization; I think she is a fairly modern, independent female character.
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