why cheap? that was the story and filmed that way when she was alive.

for the record, I don't think Leia will die in TROS but i've been know to be wrong.... from time to time.

yeah but they had already filmed the whole movie and that was all in the script by the time she died in real life. It was more about Poe's journey than hers.

Yeah, but she died a whole year before the movie came out. That whole scene just felt kind of cheap to me when I saw it in the theater. I know not everyone feels the same way, I'm just saying I had a bigger problem with that aspect of it than what we actually saw on the screen.

That's also why I kind of agree she's not dying in this one unless it's in like some kind of epilogue at the end if they want to give her a kind of on-screen tribute.

I don't think there's a good way she could die in the course of the film that wouldn't feel cheap.

It's crazy how much better the story becomes if Leia is the one who kamikaze's Snoke's ship.

(We do lose that amazing Luke/Leia scene, sadly.)

she should have taken Holdos place for an epic way to go.

I just think the plan (before Carrie Fisher's death obviously) was to have a confrontation of some sort between Leia and Kylo Ren.

Except that she IS the resistance. It would not have made any sense from a plot mechanics standpoint.

I had forgotten he bit it in that scene too. Good call he would have been a better choice.

Edit to protect people from my thoughts.

You need some spoiler tags or to move that to the spoiler thread

Why, because I hope something happens it is a spoiler?

Trailer Predictions?

• New shot of Leia
• Maz Kanata shows up
• Rose is in this one
• K. Russell character
• Ends with a shot of Palpatine, if he is truly in this one
• Also think we get a throwback minor character cameo - I'm going with Lobot
• I don't think we see ghost Luke or ghost anyone else.

In this instance, yes

Dude, just spoiler tag it. You had to have noticed that post after post spoiler-tagged that exact discussion yesterday, or you wouldn't even be aware of the discussion in the first place. That, and there's a spoiler thread now for this very thing that's been up since before your post...

https://texags.com/forums/13/topics/3065176

I went back and watched the old trailers to try and make a prediction about what we might see in the new one and went way down a theory rabbit hole...

So this may have been talked about and I missed it... but what if Kylo and Luke have been more or less working together the whole time?

Basically what started my brain going was the 'I'll finish what you started" from the first trailer, what if what Vader started was killing the emperor. Maybe Luke came across something, evidence that Sidious wasn't completely killed, and that's what Kylo Ren is working toward? Basically his split from Luke was an elaborate cover story.

Have we gone down this rabbit hole before?

Obviously there's like a million things working against it, but just something that popped into my head

I had a theory kind of like that, except it was Leia that sent Kylo on the mission, since we haven't seen them interact yet.

I forget why people said that doesn't make sense, but there were valid arguments and it convinced me haha.

I've seen that theory mentioned here before, but I don't remember there being a big discussion about it or anything. Personally, I think it'd cheapen the movies even more, and would require Luke technically being in on Kylo killing Han, which would piss people off even more. I just can't see it...

Yeah... unless... he told Kylo before going into isolation (so that he couldn't be tempted to help him...) that he had to carry out the mission no matter what. Which is why Kylo looked like he struggled with himself to kill Han.

Of course Luke never expected that to happen. Never expected Rey, or for Han to meet Rey, etc, etc, so it's not a situation he imagined. And Kylo knows what can happen if he doesn't finish the mission so he goes ahead and kills Han so he can continue...

I agree that it would probably seem almost Shymalan-esque are-you-kidding-me level stuff, but just something I thought might be interesting to break down while watching that trailer.

vwbug said:

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That's hilarious.

I mean, they could have been working together and had Kylo go undercover and then Snoke turned him. Having Han be a causality of the mission and having the Kylo/Luke fight be a ruse is a couple bridges too far.

I need to pay closer attention to the thread titles....

....Accidentally clicked the damn TROS Spoiler Thread by mistake....

Fortunately the only thing I read is what appears to be a potentially scene by scene of what the trailer is going to be

MuckRaker96 said:

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vwbug said:

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Ice cream mixer guy was the real hero of bespin.

https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Willrow_Hood

jokershady said:

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I need to pay closer attention to the thread titles....

....Accidentally clicked the damn TROS Spoiler Thread by mistake....

Fortunately the only thing I read is what appears to be a potentially scene by scene of what the trailer is going to be

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Did... you just... spoil the spoiler thread? What a meta spoiler.

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I mean, they could have been working together and had Kylo go undercover and then Snoke turned him. Having Han be a causality of the mission and having the Kylo/Luke fight be a ruse is a couple bridges too far.

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Yeah, I think for me the bigger issue is that Kylo was more or less complicit in the wiping out of billions of innocent people. No matter how important the mission you're currently on is, that seems like something a Jedi couldn't let go.

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amercer said:

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I mean, they could have been working together and had Kylo go undercover and then Snoke turned him. Having Han be a causality of the mission and having the Kylo/Luke fight be a ruse is a couple bridges too far.

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Yeah, I think for me the bigger issue is that Kylo was more or less complicit in the wiping out of billions of innocent people. No matter how important the mission you're currently on is, that seems like something a Jedi couldn't let go.

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Vader did the same but also directly killed Jedi and Jedi kids. Yet a Jedi let that go...

I think the difference there is that Anakin completely turned to the dark side, and then turned back. In this theory Kylo would have been pretending to be tempted by the dark side the whole time.

I guess as someone pointed out, maybe Kylo was originally sent by Luke, but then actually turned... but then that seems kind of complicated to explain in one movie.

It doesn't seem like something Luke would so. He'd never risk others like that. Besides the fact the he tells Rey that Kylo killed a bunch o the other students who wouldn't join him. That could be a cover story, but where are they all if true?

It makes a lot less sense why Luke wouldn't go after Snoke directly.

MuckRaker96 said:

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It makes a lot less sense why Luke wouldn't go after Snoke directly.

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I think this is actually the biggest thing FOR the theory is that it would at least give some motivation to Luke cutting himself off from the force other than "he gave up."

He thinks that he and Ben can finish the emperor's influence, but to do it Ben is going to have to get close to him and to do that he's going to have to kill Snoke. So Luke cuts himself off from the force so that he won't be tempted to help Ben when he gets in trouble. He has to trust that he'll be able to do it, and then contact him when the time is right.