Exactly. We're also not sure how concurrent the filming of these movies will be. Cameron is making all four "at once," but that just means he and his team are working uninterrupted in all facets of production and post production over the next few years. Filming on two and three could be, say, over the next eight months or so, and then they could theoretically take a break from filming to concentrate on effects for a year. Then start filming again after that. Point is, this won't be a traditional production in many ways. It's almost like a movie / TV show production hybrid where they have the "seasons" written and mapped out for years to come, but filming could be on and off over that time.
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Interesting, thank y'all for the insight.
Does it make a bad person that I've never watched more than like 10 minutes of Avatar? Much like Titanic, I had no desire to see it...
I've watched 0 minutes of it. Just never really had any interest. It does look pretty I guess.
I really enjoyed the first one in the theatre, in 3D.
I've never watched it again though.
History is littered with guys who had huge runs of success before a spectacular failure.
I've never watched it again though.
History is littered with guys who had huge runs of success before a spectacular failure.
I don't think it's so much that people will come specifically to see Pandora, but more that kids (and anyone) who sees the Pandora show at Disney will be more likely to watch Avatar (and the sequels) when otherwise they never would have bothered since the movie is so old. (like the kids mentioned above). My own kids weren't born when Avatar came out and it's not something I would ever add to their Netfilx queue on my own, but if they saw Pandora at Disney they might be more interested. Same way that they wanted to see Peter Pan after going on the Peter Pan ride. I'm definitely on the list of people who thought Avatar was pretty nonsense and can't imagine wasting time watching a sequel, but obviously someone expects it to do well.Quote:
Disney experienced a big jump in ticket sales when it opened as some people wanted to be the first to see it. However, by late summer attendance had dropped back down to their usual numbers. Avatar isn't drawing more crowds than what the park experienced before it opened. Not really a sign that these sequels are hotly anticipated.
I'm not counting Cameron out. It's just that these aren't the movies I want Cameron spending the next 8 years on.double aught said:And both were predicted to be epic failures during production. Like TC said,I wouldn't count out James Cameron yet.GiveEmHellBill said:Maybe Titanic?double aught said:
I don't know if I've ever seen sentiment for a movie do more of a 180 than it has for Avatar.
Wait.........I sense a trend, here.
Considering his admirable resume, the last movie that I truly LOVED from the man was True Lies.........23 years ago.
I think the most annoying thing about these movies could be the SJW political backdrop to it. It stands to be so over the top as to be nausea inducing.
Whatever tech he comes up with could be interesting though. Maybe he will completely evolve CGI by orders of magnitude so great we won't care if something is CGI anymore.
Whatever tech he comes up with could be interesting though. Maybe he will completely evolve CGI by orders of magnitude so great we won't care if something is CGI anymore.
Damn that is insane doing that with kids
I just.... still cannot fathom how 4 of these are being made.
The first one was of a time and place, and at the cusp of 3D tech.
No one is clamoring for sequels.
Even the woosies who were on the news, crying because they could not go to Pandora, have moved on.
Yes, it is Cameron. Blah blah blah.
Still does not change the sentiment.
These are movies no one (except Cameron and Fox) want.
The first one was of a time and place, and at the cusp of 3D tech.
No one is clamoring for sequels.
Even the woosies who were on the news, crying because they could not go to Pandora, have moved on.
Yes, it is Cameron. Blah blah blah.
Still does not change the sentiment.
These are movies no one (except Cameron and Fox) want.
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I just.... still cannot fathom how 4 of these are being made.
The first one was of a time and place, and at the cusp of 3D tech.
No one is clamoring for sequels.
Even the woosies who were on the news, crying because they could not go to Pandora, have moved on.
Yes, it is Cameron. Blah blah blah.
Still does not change the sentiment.
These are movies no one (except Cameron and Fox) want.
I do
The first one was mediocre...and blatant propaganda, with an insulting script.
The rest are a shameless attempt at a money grab.
Zero interest. Never got the infatuation with the first.
The rest are a shameless attempt at a money grab.
Zero interest. Never got the infatuation with the first.
Learn to remove your political beliefs when you watch movies.AgMarauder04 said:
The first one was mediocre...and blatant propaganda, with an insulting script.
The rest are a shameless attempt at a money grab.
Zero interest. Never got the infatuation with the first.
TCTTS said:
Thread might need to be renamed. Not just Avatar 2 coming down the pike...
Avatar 2 = Dec. 18, 2020
Avatar 3 = Dec. 17, 2021
Avatar 4 = Dec. 20, 2024
Avatar 5 = Dec. 19, 2025
Filming on all four sequels began Monday. There's no looking back now. Pandora or bust!
If all goes well i'll be retired by Avatar 4 and will provide a review after I see it at the 11am matinee, before my applesauce and nap
My 10 year old will just be finishing up his freshman fall semester at A&M when the last Avatar comes out....
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The first movie was the most overrated in human history... wait, does that sound over the top? Not enough, so me rephrase, it was the most overrated movie in the history of the universe,
Completely derivative script, blatant political message (as someone who cares about environmental stuff even I had a headache from being beaten over the head with it), mediocre acting, and nothing else other than nice special effects, which are now commonplace.
Cameron is more than due for a massively expensive and specutacular failure, though I can't imagine that they would commit a billion dollars without a bunch of market research, but I also can't believe they have a Star Wars type following that would be required to justify the cost. We will see I guess.
Completely derivative script, blatant political message (as someone who cares about environmental stuff even I had a headache from being beaten over the head with it), mediocre acting, and nothing else other than nice special effects, which are now commonplace.
Cameron is more than due for a massively expensive and specutacular failure, though I can't imagine that they would commit a billion dollars without a bunch of market research, but I also can't believe they have a Star Wars type following that would be required to justify the cost. We will see I guess.
4 & 5 will not happen if 2 & 3 bomb.
https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2017/11/james-cameron-titanic-20th-anniversary-avatar-terminator-fox-studios-sale
. . . Most of the actors, the key principals, have all read all four scripts, so they know exactly what their character arcs are, they know where they're going, they know how to modulate their arc now across the first two films. We all know where we're supposed to be dramatically in the saga, and that's great. Let's face it, if Avatar 2 and 3 don't make enough money, there's not going to be a 4 and 5. They're fully encapsulated stories in and of themselves. It builds across the five films to a greater kind of meta narrative, but they're fully formed films in their own right, unlike, say, The Lord of the Rings trilogy, where you really just had to sort of go, "Oh, ****, all right, well I guess I better come back next year." Even though that all worked and everybody did.
https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2017/11/james-cameron-titanic-20th-anniversary-avatar-terminator-fox-studios-sale
. . . Most of the actors, the key principals, have all read all four scripts, so they know exactly what their character arcs are, they know where they're going, they know how to modulate their arc now across the first two films. We all know where we're supposed to be dramatically in the saga, and that's great. Let's face it, if Avatar 2 and 3 don't make enough money, there's not going to be a 4 and 5. They're fully encapsulated stories in and of themselves. It builds across the five films to a greater kind of meta narrative, but they're fully formed films in their own right, unlike, say, The Lord of the Rings trilogy, where you really just had to sort of go, "Oh, ****, all right, well I guess I better come back next year." Even though that all worked and everybody did.
The hate for James Cameron and the need some people have to deride his stuff always makes me chuckle. I guess that comes with unprecedented success though.
He's basically encapsulating groundbreaking tech in very universal stories (Romeo and Juliet, Pocahontas) - I don't think derivative is the right word because he's not passing the stories off as original, just the delivery of them. I personally didn't enjoy Titanic but I did think Avatar was entertaining as hell.
Plus, the dude made T2 so I'm in with whatever he serves up unless the next couple of Avatar movies suck.
He's basically encapsulating groundbreaking tech in very universal stories (Romeo and Juliet, Pocahontas) - I don't think derivative is the right word because he's not passing the stories off as original, just the delivery of them. I personally didn't enjoy Titanic but I did think Avatar was entertaining as hell.
Plus, the dude made T2 so I'm in with whatever he serves up unless the next couple of Avatar movies suck.
Agreed.
In fact, the more time passes, the more I actually like Avatar. I will never understand the need for four sequels, and I agree wholeheartedly that it has basically vanished like a fart in the wind in terms of pop culture impact (perhaps deservedly so), but I enjoyed myself in the theater, and still, for the most part, enjoy the movie to this day.
"Encapsulating groundbreaking tech in a very universal story" is a great way to sum up what Cameron did with the movie, and for that reason alone I didn't need something super original... even though it actually kind of was. I'm the first to call out derivative cinema, but in this case, for me at least, it actually helped that the story was somewhat familiar, considering it was something we'd never seen before visually. Cameron no doubt utilized a number of eye-rolling story and character tropes, but it all honestly enhanced the experience for me in weird way. I'm not saying it allowed me to "turn my brain off" - because I hate that excuse for poor storytelling - but with this movie I almost wanted to sit back and be wowed by the spectacle more than I wanted to keep up with a complex story. And that approach is what may very well allow for these next movies to veer a bit more off the beaten path in terms of story, and be something far more original. In other words, I think we're more conditioned now for the (hopefully) more original stories to come.
Also, still, it's worth pointing out that Cameron wrote the original, 92-page treatment for Avatar in 1998, a year before The Matrix. Before jacking in and controlling a remote avatar with your mind was something we were accustomed to cinematically. I didn't read the treatment until the early '00s, but even then it read like something we'd never seen before, despite the familiarity of the narrative. Cameron is one of the absolute best at explaining the tech and science and spectacle of a film in the most interesting and innovative ways, to the point where it's so incredibly obvious that he not only truly cares about what he's writing, but that he's genuinely excited about it as well, and that counts for a lot. It's what separates him from someone like Michael Bay (well, that and a few other glaring traits). There's a passion Cameron has for Avatar - and so many of his other movies - that's almost contagious.
And yet, that passion - or what some might say is arrogance (probably a little of both) - is where I think a lot of the hate for Avatar comes from in the first place. I'm not saying it's misplaced, but if you don't think Cameron knows how he and this franchise are perceived, you're kidding yourself. The guy knows exactly what he's doing, and I can't help but respect that. Case in point, this great quote from the recent Vanity Fair piece linked to above...
In fact, the more time passes, the more I actually like Avatar. I will never understand the need for four sequels, and I agree wholeheartedly that it has basically vanished like a fart in the wind in terms of pop culture impact (perhaps deservedly so), but I enjoyed myself in the theater, and still, for the most part, enjoy the movie to this day.
"Encapsulating groundbreaking tech in a very universal story" is a great way to sum up what Cameron did with the movie, and for that reason alone I didn't need something super original... even though it actually kind of was. I'm the first to call out derivative cinema, but in this case, for me at least, it actually helped that the story was somewhat familiar, considering it was something we'd never seen before visually. Cameron no doubt utilized a number of eye-rolling story and character tropes, but it all honestly enhanced the experience for me in weird way. I'm not saying it allowed me to "turn my brain off" - because I hate that excuse for poor storytelling - but with this movie I almost wanted to sit back and be wowed by the spectacle more than I wanted to keep up with a complex story. And that approach is what may very well allow for these next movies to veer a bit more off the beaten path in terms of story, and be something far more original. In other words, I think we're more conditioned now for the (hopefully) more original stories to come.
Also, still, it's worth pointing out that Cameron wrote the original, 92-page treatment for Avatar in 1998, a year before The Matrix. Before jacking in and controlling a remote avatar with your mind was something we were accustomed to cinematically. I didn't read the treatment until the early '00s, but even then it read like something we'd never seen before, despite the familiarity of the narrative. Cameron is one of the absolute best at explaining the tech and science and spectacle of a film in the most interesting and innovative ways, to the point where it's so incredibly obvious that he not only truly cares about what he's writing, but that he's genuinely excited about it as well, and that counts for a lot. It's what separates him from someone like Michael Bay (well, that and a few other glaring traits). There's a passion Cameron has for Avatar - and so many of his other movies - that's almost contagious.
And yet, that passion - or what some might say is arrogance (probably a little of both) - is where I think a lot of the hate for Avatar comes from in the first place. I'm not saying it's misplaced, but if you don't think Cameron knows how he and this franchise are perceived, you're kidding yourself. The guy knows exactly what he's doing, and I can't help but respect that. Case in point, this great quote from the recent Vanity Fair piece linked to above...
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Will the Avatar sequels deal with some of the similar themes you addressed in the first film, in particular, the environment?
It will be a natural extension of all the themes, and the characters, and the spiritual undercurrents. Basically, if you loved the first movie, you're gonna love these movies, and if you hated it, you're probably gonna hate these. If you loved it at the time, and you said later you hated it, you're probably gonna love these.
Good post.
We've got titles!
Avatar: The Way of Water
Avatar: The Seed Bearer
Avatar: The Tulkun Rider
Avatar: The Quest for Eywa
Avatar: The Way of Water
Avatar: The Seed Bearer
Avatar: The Tulkun Rider
Avatar: The Quest for Eywa
Couple of those are definitely porn titles.
TCTTS said:
Couple of those are definitely porn titles.
Saw this, then saw BES's post.
Brian Earl Spilner said:
We've got titles!
Admittedly didn't read it as "titles" initially.
When does Avatar: The Quest for More Money come out?
The second a teaser trailer drops, it's gonna light up the internet. Cameron is a juggernaut.
eh, avatar was a visual treat but you know the score about plot. plus the 3d craze has died
Avatar is disturbing because Cameron told the story in the most manipulative way possible. The humans are comically evil stereotypes, while the Na'Vi are morally and physically perfect. (Can't have the protagonist grow sympathetic towards a race of mushroom-people or lizard-folk, can we?)
People who liked it just fell for its con.
People who liked it just fell for its con.
Render said:
Avatar is disturbing because Cameron told the story in the most manipulative way possible. The humans are comically evil stereotypes, while the Na'Vi are morally and physically perfect. (Can't have the protagonist grow sympathetic towards a race of mushroom-people or lizard-folk, can we?)
People who liked it just fell for its con.
Meh, I agree with your and most other people's criticisms, but still really enjoyed the movie. I was entertained, and that's all that matters.
It definitely had fun parts and good visuals, but Cameron was sooo heavy handed I found it off-putting.
bearamedic99 / Gonzo Yassarian,bearamedic99 said:
eh, avatar was a visual treat but you know the score about plot. plus the 3d craze has died
This is Slushy from Clash Royale. I was a apart of Aggie Farmers about a year ago (was a Co-Leader at the time with several others) and became good online friends with CrushCameron, Ryan and remember playing with you, Otto and a few others. I lost my main account of the same name "Slushy" (it wasn't saved to my GameCenter. I was about 3,300 trophies and have started an alt account currently at 1,800 trophies. Getting back into the game and wanting to play with old friends of our clan. The games messaging system is poor if I'm not real life friends of people in the clan. I searched all over the web looking for a discord or other way and found you on TexAgs. I paid for a one week subscription in the hopes of getting hold of you and getting an invite back into the clan. Let me know if that would be possible. I believe Ryan, CrushCameron and yourself might remember me. I played in AggieFarmers at the same time as you. I believe we both went from 2k trophies to about 2,800 - 3,000 at the time I took a break.
Could you speak with Crush and or Ryan and see if I can get thrown an invite? Facebook name is Jonathan Slusser Class of 2012.
You do realize this is what half of Hollywood movies do? Name a Spielberg movie, and it's guilty of the same thing.Quote:
Avatar is disturbing because Cameron told the story in the most manipulative way possible.
That's what movies are. An attempt to manipulate your emotions.
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