Pretty interesting...

James Cameron Reveals How an Unused Avatar Script Turned Into a Graphic Novelhttps://t.co/myRh3jToa9

— ComingSoon.net (@comingsoonnet) November 10, 2022

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It’s been 13 years since James Cameron released #Avatar, the highest-grossing movie of all time. Now, the director is back with a deeply personal sequel—and the reasonable expectation that it could be the biggest thing he’s done yet https://t.co/Aj27YMlKhd

— GQ Magazine (@GQMagazine) November 21, 2022

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Cameron says the ideas for Avatar originally came to him in a dream: "I have my own private streaming service that's better than any of that **** out there. And it runs every night for free."

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This is a perfect James Cameron quote.

Final trailer tonight. Tickets now on sale.

Thursday Dec 15, 4 PM, IMAX 3D

Only took 13 years.

Bought tickets today.

One of the few of these where every topic discussed is ACTUALLY iconic.

Just in case anyone is actually seeing and interested in what I post in this thread.

I care. In fact, the more trailers/commercials I see, the more convinced I've become that this one is going to deliver and then some. People are not only going to be eating crow, this thing is yet another phenomenon in the making.

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I care.

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I just think of Luke when I read this.

To put into perspective how long this movie was in production...

Here's the first promotional image of the cast to be released, way back in 2017.



And here's what the two youngest kids looks like now.

A staggering achievement- AVATAR TWOW is chokefull of majestic Vistas and emotions at an epic, epic scale. A master at thepeak of his powers… https://t.co/tG6I16JlhM

— Guillermo del Toro (@RealGDT) November 24, 2022

Cameron interview twlkjgnaniit some of his other movies, some great anecdotes. Including Leo refusing to read for Titanic and Cameron basically telling him to take a hike.

https://variety.com/2022/film/news/leonardo-dicaprio-lost-titanic-role-refuse-screen-test-1235440223/?cx_testId=48&cx_testVariant=cx_1&cx_artPos=2#cxrecs_s

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One of the few of these where every topic discussed is ACTUALLY iconic.

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FYI the Leo story comes from here, and it's a great story.

This movie about to spark a Chinese revolution?

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/general-news/i-wanna-see-a-movie-protest-slogan-china-1235270357/

So, is it basically the same plot but in the water?

Saldaña? I have always seen and heard Saldana until now.

She uses both apparently.

While i enjoyed avatar, you have to recognize it for what it was:

take the plot of every stale 70's 'american indians were angels and white men are evil' trope

Mix in the modern 'i hate my life and my body' mentality and give you a flip a switch to turn into a superfine tall blue alien, pulling from matrix, inception themes.

Add in the 'enlightened scientists are angels too and these military guys are just scheming evil *****s and they only work for corporations' trope


Set it in fantastic effects and good music, sell a blockbuster and keep your 'woke' financiers happy pushing their agendas on kids

Its nothing particularly innovative or creative, just a formula movie.

This looks like an even cheaper ripoff. Ok, for something different, lets add in the carribean to, now we can use the 'evil white men ruined the angelic islanders' trope for this one. Throw some stronger 'woke' themes for the unwashed masses to swallow, keep your money masters happy.

It'll probably still be enjoyable, but i expect this is what we will see.

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While i enjoyed avatar, you have to recognize it for what it was:

take the plot of every stale 70's 'american indians were angels and white men are evil' trope

Most of the "good" humans were white too, and there were a number of people of color on the "bad" side, but don't let facts get in the way of your rant.

Mix in the modern 'i hate my life and my body' mentality and give you a flip a switch to turn into a superfine tall blue alien, pulling from matrix, inception themes.

The Jake Sully character was literally in a wheelchair. He was paralyzed from a war injury. You make it sound like Avatar has some kind of anorexia/body positivity agenda.

Add in the 'enlightened scientists are angels too and these military guys are just scheming evil *****s and they only work for corporations' trope


Set it in fantastic effects and good music, sell a blockbuster and keep your 'woke' financiers happy pushing their agendas on kids

Avatar was made by 20th Century Fox, which, at the time, was owned by the Murdochs. The same Murdochs who own Fox News. It was easily the most conservative of the big studios, whose owners are about as anti-woke as it gets.

Its nothing particularly innovative or creative, just a formula movie.

James Cameron is on the record multiple times as saying he made the story formulaic and familiar on purpose, in order to help ground the more fantastical elements of the plot, Pandora, the effects, etc. If you didn't enjoy the formulaic and familiar plot, that's understandable and obviously your prerogative, but to still be complaining about it 13 years later, as if no one has ever had this incredibly tired take before, is certainly something. That, and Cameron obviously did something right, seeing as Avatar is still the highest grossing movie of all time.

This looks like an even cheaper ripoff. Ok, for something different, let's yoadd in the carribean to, now we can use the 'evil white men ruined the angelic islanders' trope for this one. Throw some stronger 'woke' themes for the unwashed masses to swallow, keep your money masters happy.

When you type sh*t like this, do you ever stop to think, "Man, I sound like the most cliched, hard right, anti-woke Karen imagineable"?

It'll probably still be enjoyable, but i expect this is what we will see.

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I have no issues with most of Avatar, just how they chose to end it. There is a reason that people love the Ferngully story, because they like the idea of simpler people winning over corrupt evil technologically advanced people. From a political view, Avatar straddles the political lines between saying corporatism is bad, and the answer for that is the white savior angle. It's very much down the middle in that regard imo.

Nobody tell him Star Wars is just the hero's journey!

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cbr said:

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While i enjoyed avatar, you have to recognize it for what it was:

take the plot of every stale 70's 'american indians were angels and white men are evil' trope

Most of the "good" humans were white too, but don't let facts get in the way of your rant.

True, no doubt, but it was early in the woke movement, and i think the point is debatable either way

Mix in the modern 'i hate my life and my body' mentality and give you a flip a switch to turn into a superfine tall blue alien, pulling from matrix, inception themes.

The Jake Sully character was literally in a wheelchair. He was paralyzed from a war injury. You make it sound like Avatar has some kind of anorexia/body positivity agenda.

I also like your point here and it is true - that said, i do notice a trend here that this movie falls into. Most, not all certainly, heroes growing up were people you could actually work to emulate. Its kind of hard to emulate a 10'' tall alien.

Add in the 'enlightened scientists are angels too and these military guys are just scheming evil *****s and they only work for corporations' trope


Set it in fantastic effects and good music, sell a blockbuster and keep your 'woke' financiers happy pushing their agendas on kids

Avatar was made by 20th Century Fox, which, at the time, was owned by the Murdochs. The same Murdochs who own Fox News. It was easily the most conservative of the big studios, whose owners are about as anti-woke as it gets.

It is hilarious that you think 20th century fox is anti-woke. Seriously? You cannot really fail to understand what they are?

Its nothing particularly innovative or creative, just a formula movie.

James Cameron is on the record multiple times as saying he made the story formulaic and familiar on purpose, in order to help ground the more fantastical elements of the plot, Pandora, the effects, etc. If you didn't enjoy the formulaic and familiar plot, that's understandable and obviously your prerogative, but to still be complaining about it 13 years later, as if no one has ever had this incredibly tired take before, is certainly something. That, and Cameron obviously did something right, seeing as Avatar is still the highest grossing movie of all time.

Thats good to know. Self awareness is RARE in LA. But you missed my whole first point which was i still enjoyed the movie. You also missed the whole thread. I am not complaining about anything. The debate was, will this suck and why, and you chimed in with 'this will be the most brilliant thing ever'. You act like i have no right to say - well, maybe, but here are some reasons it is likely not going to be such a brilliant masterpiece.


This looks like an even cheaper ripoff. Ok, for something different, let's yoadd in the carribean to, now we can use the 'evil white men ruined the angelic islanders' trope for this one. Throw some stronger 'woke' themes for the unwashed masses to swallow, keep your money masters happy.

When you type sh*t like this, do you ever stop to think, "Man, I sound like the most cliched, hard right, anti-woke Karen imagineable"?

It'll probably still be enjoyable, but i expect this is what we will see.

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I obviously dont care what i sound like

You would be stunned at my background, it is not at all what your predjudice would suggest

I am not 'hard right' by any standard in modern american politics

Whats also funny, i am more american indian, by far, than any other mix, which is one reason the original movie plot ripoff stood out so dramatically to me.

And i dont care about plot ripoffs too much - the whole star wars universe was just adding cool costumes and sounds to old plots and action scenes. Not every movie can be brilliantly creative.

What i wont put up with is the deliberate hollywood and wall street attack on the best aspects of american culture, for sinister purposes, nor with hypocrisy, anti-education, and propaganda, from anyone, and i will always point that stuff out.

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TCTTS said:

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cbr said:

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While i enjoyed avatar, you have to recognize it for what it was:

take the plot of every stale 70's 'american indians were angels and white men are evil' trope

Most of the "good" humans were white too, but don't let facts get in the way of your rant.

True, no doubt, but it was early in the woke movement, and i think the point is debatable either way

Mix in the modern 'i hate my life and my body' mentality and give you a flip a switch to turn into a superfine tall blue alien, pulling from matrix, inception themes.

The Jake Sully character was literally in a wheelchair. He was paralyzed from a war injury. You make it sound like Avatar has some kind of anorexia/body positivity agenda.

I also like your point here and it is true - that said, i do notice a trend here that this movie falls into. Most, not all certainly, heroes growing up were people you could actually work to emulate. Its kind of hard to emulate a 10'' tall alien.

Add in the 'enlightened scientists are angels too and these military guys are just scheming evil *****s and they only work for corporations' trope


Set it in fantastic effects and good music, sell a blockbuster and keep your 'woke' financiers happy pushing their agendas on kids

Avatar was made by 20th Century Fox, which, at the time, was owned by the Murdochs. The same Murdochs who own Fox News. It was easily the most conservative of the big studios, whose owners are about as anti-woke as it gets.

It is hilarious that you think 20th century fox is anti-woke. Seriously? You cannot really fail to understand what they are?

Its nothing particularly innovative or creative, just a formula movie.

James Cameron is on the record multiple times as saying he made the story formulaic and familiar on purpose, in order to help ground the more fantastical elements of the plot, Pandora, the effects, etc. If you didn't enjoy the formulaic and familiar plot, that's understandable and obviously your prerogative, but to still be complaining about it 13 years later, as if no one has ever had this incredibly tired take before, is certainly something. That, and Cameron obviously did something right, seeing as Avatar is still the highest grossing movie of all time.

Thats good to know. Self awareness is RARE in LA. But you missed my whole first point which was i still enjoyed the movie. You also missed the whole thread. I am not complaining about anything. The debate was, will this suck and why, and you chimed in with 'this will be the most brilliant thing ever'. You act like i have no right to say - well, maybe, but here are some reasons it is likely not going to be such a brilliant masterpiece.


This looks like an even cheaper ripoff. Ok, for something different, let's yoadd in the carribean to, now we can use the 'evil white men ruined the angelic islanders' trope for this one. Throw some stronger 'woke' themes for the unwashed masses to swallow, keep your money masters happy.

When you type sh*t like this, do you ever stop to think, "Man, I sound like the most cliched, hard right, anti-woke Karen imagineable"?

It'll probably still be enjoyable, but i expect this is what we will see.

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I obviously dont care what i sound like

You would be stunned at my background, it is not at all what your predjudice would suggest

I am not 'hard right' by any standard in modern american politics

Whats also funny, i am more american indian, by far, than any other mix, which is one reason the original movie plot ripoff stood out so dramatically to me.

And i dont care about plot ripoffs too much - the whole star wars universe was just adding cool costumes and sounds to old plots and action scenes. Not every movie can be brilliantly creative.

What i wont put up with is the deliberate hollywood and wall street attack on the best aspects of american culture, for sinister purposes, nor with hypocrisy, anti-education, and propaganda, from anyone, and i will always point that stuff out.

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I said you sounded like a hard right cliche, I wasn't accusing you of being hard right.

Also, I don't understand how Avatar is an "attack on the best of aspects of American culture." Are you some big fan of mega corporations who put profit above all else? What is so wrong, exactly, with calling out/calling attention to corporate greed, especially when that greed comes at the cost of human suffering, something myriad corporations have engaged in for decades now? I can totally understand being tired of that trope being used in movies, but to have some moral issue with the depiction itself is one of the weirdest takes I've ever heard.

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I said you sounded like a hard right cliche, I wasn't accusing you of being hard right.

Also, I don't understand how Avatar is an "attack on the best of aspects of American culture." Are you some big fan of mega corporations who put profit above all else? What is so wrong, exactly, with calling out/calling attention to corporate greed, especially when that greed comes at the cost of human suffering, something myriad corporations have engaged in for decades now? I can totally understand being tired of that trope being used in movies, but to have some moral issue with the depiction itself is one of the weirdest takes I've ever heard.

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Fair enough - i did enjoy the old avatar, though i did see a lot of 'anti-america' bent to it.

American marines genociding whole families and cultures and ecospheres, and trying to kill their own people, for some corporation? Pointing that out is 'the weirdest take you've ever heard? Seriously?

But still, I would not be dying on that hill. My point is about what i expect out of a *2022* avatar movie - likely to be pretty hard left in its indoctrination.

I am all against corporate greed…but the reality is that it only becomes a real problem with crooked authoritarian government backing it up- which is where we are more than ever, by far, with our leftist government and corporation board rooms today.

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What is so wrong, exactly, with calling out/calling attention to corporate greed, especially when that greed comes at the cost of human suffering, something myriad corporations have engaged in for decades now?

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Everything else in this conversation notwithstanding, the issue here is the overgeneralization and misapplication. There's corporate greed, and then there's, "corporate greed."

Look at Nestle. They're incredibly unethical and probably one of, if not the, worst companies in the world. Yet, we hear very little about them domestically because they're Swiss, and a lot of people here seem to view Europe and all things European as this pastoral, socialist utopia.

Then look at Starbucks. They pay decently, with cashier's averaging $11/hr, give holiday pay, offer substantial benefits to all employees including part time, 401k, paid leave, have great employee training programs, and ethically source their coffee. About the the only "greedy" thing they do is charge people a lot for meh coffee, but choosing to overpay is all on the customer. Yet, we currently have Starbucks employees pushing to unionize because they feel "exploited," and one moron is currently going viral because they're literally crying in the backroom because they're scheduled for an 8 hour day on the weekend and have to work 25 hours a week as a full time student. They're saying their situation is one of the reasons they need a union and how Starbucks exploits its lowest level employees. I don't want to sound like an old guy, but I normally worked 30+ hour weeks in HS, which has you in class for 40 hours a week, and I regularly did 8-12 hour shifts on weekends while also doing extracurriculars.

The calling out and calling attention to corporate greed has honestly gotten a little out of hand when "exploitation" means you have to work a full shift. The result has been the misperception that all corporations are "greedy" and guilty of taking advantage of people. No matter what they do, they irredeemable because they're big and corporate, which is in many ways unfair and incorrect.

There's also the problem of creating a misperception that large corporations are somehow all powerful and flush with money while paying their poor employees a pittance. There are many complaints that Amazon makes billions of dollars a year, and yet they start their warehouse and delivery workers at around $16-$20/hr. Surely they can afford to pay everyone another $2-$3/hr! The problem with this thinking is that Amazon also employs well over 1 million people. At 2000 hours per year, a $1/raise for everyone comes out to $2 billion per year. A $2-$3/hr raise for everyone in logistics basically wipes out the profitability of Amazon online retail division. So, no, Amazon isn't evil and greedy for not giving everyone a "tiny" raise, they're just operating on volume and can't afford it.

I think you're reading a little too much into my post. When I said "human suffering," I was talking about things like, say, people being displaced, or chemicals poisoning water supplies (like with DuPont), etc. Just instances over the decades where corporations have been objectively and appallingly ****ty. Is Avatar hokey and heavy-handed? Sure. But I don't think anyone is confusing RDA (the company in the movie) with Starbucks or whatever.