Enjoyed first 2 eps but I'm not completely hooked in like I want to be.
Stive said:I got the impression that it was definitely the kid's bikes (at least one of them) but later on when the bike he finds is extremely far away from that tower and on the same path that led to the bodies I got confused.AirplaneAg09 said:
Really enjoyed the first two episodes last night. Random thoughts I had:
-Were the teenagers playing with Will or Julie's bike that night while getting drunk at the Ranger tower? Is that where Ali found it after that kid threw it down?
-When the film crew mentioned the wife's book to Ali the first time I got the impression that the book didn't paint him in a good light for some reason. Ali made some comment about how good of a job she did that stuck out to me.
-I'm not sure if Ali's daughter in LA is dead or what, but think Ali maybe did something on the first or second time through the case that split them apart. Maybe something to do with the wife's book.
-I thought they handled the underlying race stuff pretty well. The first couple of mentions had me wondering if that was going to become some huge theme throughout the show but I thought the scene between Ali and Dorff blatantly addressing it was telling. I'm sure it will be a reoccuring theme but I think the war veteran stuff is gonna be more impactful on the characters.
-Love that they got back to the gritty setting, music, cinematography, etc.
I think his daughter is dead or excommunicated over something. The son and DIL seem to be covering up something about her (unless they're just really tired of dad asking about her).
ApachePilot said:
Who's room was the peep hole looking into???? The little girls?
Boo Weekley said:ApachePilot said:
Who's room was the peep hole looking into???? The little girls?
Yes...and they mentioned the mom's brother(?) staying in there when visiting from Missouri while the boy slept on the couch...unless i totally misunderstood that part?
Thinking maybe they want us to think this pedo creep is the culprit but that is prob too easy.
ApachePilot said:
The first season was so dark. Every character was so flawed if not out right dark. I don't get the same sense this time. But I'm still left with lots of suspicions.
Like why did the kids lie about going to see a dog in the park? Who were they really meeting?
PooDoo said:
There was the hint from the grandma... the girl was not his biological daughter.
Could her biological dad be the one coming back into the picture?
Those dolls look a lot like the wedding drawing the girl had in her room.
Pretty sure there was some kind of plan to run away or something. Maybe the new dad wasn't expecting the brother to come along and or something.
I also suspect the mother either directly or indirectly of knowing more than what she's letting on.
Robert C. Christian said:ApachePilot said:
The first season was so dark. Every character was so flawed if not out right dark. I don't get the same sense this time. But I'm still left with lots of suspicions.
Like why did the kids lie about going to see a dog in the park? Who were they really meeting?
Was it ever said that the kids were actually headed in the direction of the park by witnesses?
Old Tom Morris said:
yeah, there was something going on with the kids. Their story on why they were leaving was definitely BS.
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I think I found something here, so I wanted to see if anyone cares to comment or critique this theory...
The Playboy cover: "Stephen King Talks The Stand"
- It is a commentary on societal decay, as stated by King
- The prologue of this book is titled "The Circle Opens", the epilogue is "The Circle Closes"...
- It expands on a character seen only in flashbacks; this character oddly once worked for the KKK
- There is a vile character known as The Rat Man
- There is a character known as The Trashcan Man
- For a time, The Trashcan Man travels with a minor character known as The Kid, who is from Shreveport, Louisiana...
- King also confronts blackness in the novel, with a character that can only be described as a "Magical Negro" literary archetype; she has an air of mysticism and seemingly communicates with the supernatural...
- Here's an interesting point: depending on which version of the novel the reader is reading, the story takes place in either 1980, 1986, or 1991...
- Another interesting point: the antagonist in the book, Flagg, was based on Donald DeFreeze. Now, here's where things get weird. Donald DeFreeze was a member of the Symbionese Liberation Army, a far-left violent organization very similar to the Black Panthers (some members of the SLA were former Panthers). Donald DeFreeze kidnapped a woman named Patty Hearst (born in San Francisco), the daughter of William Randolph Hearst. The kidnapping was planned, according to the SLA, for "the night of a full moon". She was gone for 19 months. However, two months after she was kidnapped, she was caught on surveillance video with several other members of the SLA carrying out a robbery of a sporting goods store. She was involved in several other crimes during the time she was kidnapped by the SLA. Obviously, I think this is interesting because Amelia Hays was a member of the Black Panther during her time away from college (and clearly initially has negative view of the police in her first interaction with Hays), and Julie, who was kidnapped, has her prints found during a Walgreens robbery. This being a coincidence is just...I don't know.
- In The Stand, Flagg is joined by a sex-crazed teenager named Julie, whose character begins as seemingly morally neutral, but eventually decays and joins Flagg (DeFreeze)...
- The whole fiasco with Patty Hearst was very political, as her father was a newspaper magnate. She later claimed she had been brainwashed and committed the crimes under the influence of LSD. Her trial was very public, and was effectively part of a moral panic related to drugs and brainwashing. She later wrote a memoir after being pardoned by Bill Clinton. This all seems to fit in with the Franklin affair.
- Here is an excerpt from the wiki article on The Stand about Flagg (Donald DeFreeze): "During the occasional instances when the reader is subject to Flagg's perspective, it becomes evident that Flagg does not know his origins, has no memory of his life before Captain Trips though he vaguely remembers isolated, violent or hateful events, such as participating in the Vietnam War, actions as an American Marine, Ku Klux Klan lynchings, the murder of police officers, taking part in race riots in the 1960s, being involved in the kidnapping of Patty Hearst, and a vague speculation that he was involved in Charles Manson's family. Most of Flagg's memories indicate that not only was Flagg able to escape during the last moments of many of these events, but that the events also nourished his evil nature.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_The_Stand_characters#cite_note-Flagg-13][13][/url]"
- Another thing: Flagg (DeFreeze) appears in King's "Dark Tower" series as R.F. (I have not read this series, so let me know if this is not accurate). R.F. was molested at 13 years old, and becomes an emissary for The Crimson King after further character development. The Crimson King has a few interesting characteristics as well; he becomes obsessed with killing a child, Patrick Danville, and he battles with Roland, in the Dark Tower series (remember Roland West).