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Lol at anyone that thinks OJ didn't do it

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Yup.

I get Kellso's argument, and I can understand why someone would think there was reasonable doubt.

But he obviously did it. Everyone knows it.

If Jason did it, I also think the defense team would have more strenuously argued or implied alternative theories of the crime. I don't see OJ risking jail and his reputation to take the fall for anyone. He was a narcissist whose reputation and image was everything to him.

Even in post-verdict interviews, I don't recall guys like Shapiro or Kardashian ever suggesting someone else did it.

I think Jason could have been involved. In OJ's confessional book, I think he said that someone else was involved with him.

Just a theory, but is it possible OJ used one of Jason's knives and that is the reason he hired a defense attorney for him?

And if he didn't do it, why was there the ridiculous Bronco chase where he put a gun to his head and had disguises with him?

"OJ:the hidden tapes" is on the history channel. Recordings from the civil trial documentary and interviews with victims' families.

I watched that - it was pretty incredible to watch him lie and lie and lie. His answers to the questions about Nicole's bruises were just next level denial and narcissism. The pictures and videos of Ron were heartbreaking.

It's a shame the DA didn't have access to some of that evidence (the shoes) or willing witnesses of Barbieri and Cowlings in the criminal trial.

The look on OJ's face when they showed the photo of him wearing the shoes was priceless. He was caught.

the OJ Hidden Tapes episodes are all here

http://www.aetv.com/shows/oj-speaks-the-hidden-tapes

I think it's very telling that Nicole confided in friends that OJ was physically abusive to her and he was going to kill her one day. She told this to multiple friends before her death. The day of the murder she also shunned him at her daughters dance recital and told him to go away. This was after he tried getting back together with her. Coupled with the fact that his gf broke up with him that same day, I don't think he was in the right state of mind.

Also hearing Rob Kardashians interview about OJ and how he started to have doubts about him. He wanted to leave the case but by that time he was in too deep. Seeing the look on his face after the verdict was read was pretty telling. He was next to OJ and didn't hug or congratulate him like Cochran did. He was in shock and disgust.
Him and OJ didn't speak to each other the last few years of Kardashians life according to Kris Jenner.

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I think it's very telling that Nicole confided in friends that OJ was physically abusive to her and he was going to kill her one day. She told this to multiple friends before her death. The day of the murder she also shunned him at her daughters dance recital and told him to go away. This was after he tried getting back together with her. Coupled with the fact that his gf broke up with him that same day, I don't think he was in the right state of mind.

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That and in the civil trial (in the deposition video) he lied about receiving the voicemail message from Barbieri the girlfriend about the breakup. Just flat out lied. Said he never got the message.

Phone records showed he called for his messages and was listening to messages for a full 8 minutes. Also Barbieri testified that he called her repeatedly that day and said things that implied he did get the message and knew she had ended it.

So that day his girlfriend dumped him, and his ex wife and mother of his children barred him from her life and a big family get together with his kids. He did acknowledge he made a call that evening to a former flame (a Raiders cheerleader) telling her he was at a point in his life where he was finally completely free - ummm that would imply he knew both relationships were over.

After having a discussion with friends about OJ and his son last week, I binge watched this show over the weekend. I thought it was very well done. It hit the high points without being a pure documentary.


Has anyone read "If I Did It" on OJ's account of the night. I skimmed over it this morning (PDF online). Kind of anticlimactic.

I skimmed it as well.

Yes...mostly I read the chapter titled "the Night in Question" or something like that. Some weird fantasy version with some imaginary friend "Charlie" that sets in motion a trip over to Bundy to scare Nicole (because Charlie witnessed her partying, drugs and sex) and then an out of body sort of experience resulting in OJ standing there covered in blood and not sure what happened. Charlier had taken the knife from OJ before confronting Nicole, then Charlie was there with the knife and he sntached it from him. Then a blackout and it was over and covering it up and retreating to Rockingham.

just weird.

But.....it did trigger something in me......a theory. I'll expound on it later. Too much to write now. Some things about the evidence have bothered me despite the preponderance of evidence against him. This theory might explain some of what never lined up. Just speculation though. And it doesn't prove OJ was innocent at all...not in the slightest. Still guilty.

In the depositions from the civil trial, he doesn't answer any questions in a way that an innocent person would answer them. He won't answer questions on where he was that night, instead he argues with the lawyer about "ask me the way the cops asked me...oh well i don't know if they asked me that so I can't answer, i answered them, did they ask me that?" It's bizarre. The lawyer says "I am asking you this question, answer it" and he replies "I can't answer because i don't know if they (the cops) asked me that."

It had been 18 months since the murder and he didn't have his alibi. He lied about big things and little things. He wouldn't admit that he beat Nicole, only that he was "responsible" for her bruises but he never struck her or hit her. He claimed he didn't talk to Paula that day and there were phone records and her statements to dispute him. It's bizarre. I think he was so deluded and overconfident that he didn't even recognize the truth anymore.

Wasn't he still hanging out with Paula prior to him being arrested? Didn't she sleep over?

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Wasn't he still hanging out with Paula prior to him being arrested? Didn't she sleep over?

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The story is that she left him the day of the murders and went to Vegas, where she was banging Michael Bolton (not the software engineer, the other guy).

When she heard about the murders, she went back to LA to help OJ grieve.

She came back from Vegas after the murders and was with him at Kardashians the morning of the Bronco chase. She refused to cooperate or give any statements to the DA. She and Cowlings both were more cooperative during the civil investigation.

The 5 Best Performances from FX's Incredible The People v. O.J. Simpson

http://nypost.com/2016/04/10/former-da-gil-garcetti-i-never-wanted-marcia-clark-on-oj-trial/


The real life Gil Garcetti throws shade at Marcia Clark. I wonder if it has to do with Marcia Clark getting such a sympathetic edit on this show.

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But it's the failed O.J. Simpson prosecution that has marred his legacy, and Garcetti confesses crucial mistakes were made, including allowing prosecutor Marcia Clark to take the lead.

"She wasn't my choice I didn't pick her," he said almost coldly. Garcetti said Clark lobbied to take the lead and he acquiesced. Later, prior to jury selection, he contemplated giving the case to more seasoned prosecutor Bill Hodgman, but Hodgman collapsed during a strategy meeting from a chronic heart defect.

"Marcia is a very good lawyer, but one of the things with her was that she didn't heed the advice of our trial consultant who told her not to pick African-American women particularly black mothers for that jury," he said, noting eight black women wound up on the panel.
"She didn't listen and once she did that, there was no chance that we'd get a guilty verdict, although I still thought we'd get two or three jurors to hold out for a hung jury.

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He said an emotional Clark was no match for Simpson's vaunted Dream Team of Johnnie Cochran, Robert Shapiro, Alan Dershowitz and F. Lee Bailey.

Garcetti said they demanded and received a speedy trial because they were sure that the sympathy in the black community for Simpson would dissipate over time, and prosecutors would find more evidence.

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Garcetti still has strong and surprising opinions about Simpson, saying he got a raw deal when he was convicted and sentenced to 33 years in prison in Nevada for armed robbery.

"If it were a white guy, a white Heisman Trophy winner . . . there's no way that anyone else would have gotten 33 years for that," Garcetti said.

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I love how Garcetti is throwing her under the bus about the jury selection. How exactly was the prosecution going to legally eliminate all the black women off a jury in downtown LA? They did have peremptory challenges left at the end of selection, but you can't just go through and ax jurors because of their race or gender without risking a challenge or the appearance of bias in the public (which Cochran was already exploiting). Not to mention there were jurors lying to get on the jury.

Garcetti got a decent edit in the show, it's surprising he is doing this.

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They did have peremptory challenges left at the end of selection, but you can't just go through and ax jurors because of their race or gender without risking a challenge or the appearance of bias in the public (which Cochran was already exploiting).

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You can use your peremptory challenge with out explanation. She had many left and did not use them. Clark thought b/c she was good in front of black women in domestic abuse cases previously, they would like her this time. Problem was, it was black men beating black women, not a black man (whom EVERYONE loved) beating a white woman...a white woman who stole him from his previous black wife.

You *can* use your peremptories without explanation, but an opposing lawyer can accuse you of basing them solely on race. I think this is called a Batson challenge (?) and is illegal. Cochran was doing it with white and Asian jurors, but Clark had to be careful because even the accusation would have been terrible PR for the LA district attorney's office.

But she definitely was confident that her track record of obtaining convictions in domestic violence cases, with juries of black women. She underestimated some of the jurors' opinions that "oh things happen in a marriage" and "oh just because he beat her doesn't mean he killed her or should be suspected of killing her." A good number of the jurors lied on their applications about history of domestic violence, either through that attitude or a desire to get on the jury.

If you guys wanna see something disgusting.......the link is a video of OJ fans(yes they still exist) heckling Fred Goldman and his family.
The fat white guy is the absolute worst.

30 for 30 doc running in LA/NYC as a 7 hr movie to qualify for Oscar consideration. This thing is getting even more buzz than the FX show, which was pretty high coming in.

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'O.J.: Made in America' is a movie so compelling you want it never to end ... even at 7-plus hours

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Especially good at detailing the various fiascos of the trial, from Mark Fuhrman's racist tapes to the glove that wouldn't fit, which negated considerable physical evidence, "Made in America" takes an almost surreal turn when it deals with O.J.'s sordid post-trial life in Miami and Las Vegas, culminating in a sports memorabilia robbery that led to his current incarceration in a Nevada prison.
"Please remember me as The Juice, please remember me as a good guy," are the last words we hear from O.J., recorded in 1994 just before his famous white Bronco freeway drive.
For reasons "Made in America" brilliantly delineates, that is just not going to be possible anymore.

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http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/movies/la-et-mn-oj-made-in-america-film-review-20160509-snap-htmlstory.html

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This year, either by coincidence or by through the inscrutable workings of the spirit of the times, the story is being retold not once, but twice, both times with impressive clarity and seriousness

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Having traced every step of his journey in detail over eight hours, you still find yourself wondering what the hell happened to this guy. He was made in America, and unmade here, too.

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http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/20/movies/oj-made-in-america-review.html

The OJ 30 for 30 starts tomorrow on abc. Several part series.

FX will run a marathon of the mini series starting at 10am