I remember last season when they had Episode 6 and you could watch 7 on HBO Go. I of course did and then realized that I would have to wait 2 weeks for the next episode and instead of going crazy I went out and bought all the books and plowed through them. I stayed my obsession briefly a few months ago by reading the Dunk and Egg stories.

Now I'm just screwed. The waits are going to be brutal.

I remember last season when they had Episode 6 and you could watch 7 on HBO Go. I of course did and then realized that I would have to wait 2 weeks for the next episode and instead of going crazy I went out and bought all the books and plowed through them. I stayed my obsession briefly a few months ago by reading the Dunk and Egg stories.

Now I'm just screwed. The waits are going to be brutal.

FYI: For those that are interested, you can definitely find a rip of episode 2 online now. And it is going to be this way all season, as HBO GO Europe will release every Season 2 episode a week early. I am very tempted to go ahead and download if they are good quality. And you still will only have to wait a week in between shows.

Aggie93: reread the books. That'll get you through the wait, and you will pick up tons of stuff you didn't pick up on. I'm on my 3rd or 4th reread, and I still find things that I either forgot or never picked up on.

i'd rather watch them live

HBO is now claiming it was a mistake that Episode 2 was released early.......

I see.

I actually started a re-read but am thinking I should just pick up a new series, probably Wheel of Time. When WoW is about to come out I'll do the re-read of the series.

World of Warcraft is already out... noob

I know, I know The Winds of Winter.

I refuse to read WoT. I'm not going to bother starting a series where the vast majority of the readers admit that the middle books are an unmitigated mess of filler and crap.

There's a whole giant thread on here of fantasy series suggestions, but here's 3 that I have really enjoyed:

1. The Kingkiller Chronicle by Pat Rothfuss
2. The Night Angel Trilogy by Brent Weeks
3. The Mistborn Trilogy by Brandon Sanderson
4. The Red Wolf Conspiracy by Robert VS Redick
5. The Gentleman ******* Sequence by Scott Lynch.

OK, so that was 5. I'll try to stop there...

lol at the first one, just watched LOTR last night

gonna be some pissed off readers tonight, things that were merely alluded to in the books are extremely explicit in this episode as well as one huge change. Can't wait for the gnashing of teeth to begin.

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Does it really matter who commands the Gold cloaks? Sure they have to be aligned with Tyrion season 2, but season 3 Tywin takes over.

It kinda makes better sense that they dismiss "Lord Commander" Bronn with a Knighthood after the Battle of Blackwater.

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No, the Bronn change doesn't matter that much I wouldn't think. I was more referencing the very end of the episode which leads to a few things in ep3 and 4 which differ wildly from the books. didn't change the story much but I can't wait to see the purist readers pulling their hair out.

Heh. That part was always the most intriguing part about Craster and GRRM lets your imagination do all the work.

If Gilly says, "Craster gives his sons to the WWalkers" the viewers say "b-stard!" "creep!" Now they will say the same thing, but we got treated to seeing a WW.

In the books you have the WW in Mormonts chamber then you wait 1.5 books until the prologue of book 3 until that threat ever resurfaces.

That wasn't a White Walker in Mormont's chamber. It was a Wight. Someone that was killed by a White Walker and has come back to life. The only time we have seen a WW in the show was the opening scene in episode 1 of season 1.

Ya. John witnessing craster getting rid of a baby is wildly different than the books. I guess this changes TE ranging from leaving crafters to just staying there and getting attacked here.

Dunno. Melansidre and stannis don't bother me, Bronn being watch commander meh, doesn't really matter, but johns story line... Dunno. Guess well see

I thought Bronn did become commander of the King's Guard in the book?

Doesnt the watch fight off white walkers and dead stuff in this book? When they are makin their way back to the wall?

The Watch doesn't have any issues with the WW until SoS.

Ser Jacelyn Bywater was put in charge of the City Watch after Janos Slynt was dismissed. He was killed during the Battle of Blackwater Bay while rallying the Gold Cloaks. Bronn was made captain of the Hand's Guard.

i really liked this episode just because it illuminated some things that were merely hinted at in the books

-as far as stannis/mel, any astute book reader knew that. they're still leaving the shadowbabies to be a bit of a surprise though, mel just said she would give stannis "sons"...wait til non-readers find out what that means

-don't really mind jon's change. makes it a little more exciting and intense. didn't really understand why they had to have Craster catching him and attacking him, kind of a weird choice, but hey, that's why i love the show as a separate entity from the books.

-all of theon's scenes were awesome, they're handling it perfectly. the theon/yara stuff was exactly how i imagine it from the books (except the name change obviously), and my non-reader friends were laughing hysterically when they realized what happened

-arya/gendry/hot pie/lommy...just awesome. i love their conversations, and the guy playing yoren is a ****in badass. gendry saying m'lady at the end was also straight from the books...

-...as was bronn's line about "i'd ask how much" in response to tyrion. i love that they kept that in there. and bronn being commander of the city watch is fine, no one's gonna miss Jacelyn Bywater.

-ros scene was strange. i get that they were trying to show how ruthless and cold-hearted Littlefinger is, but that monologue dragged a bit and tried to characterize him in a way that i feel has already been done

pumped for next week! i actually feel like they're staying true to the books in a lot closer way than some people realize, they're mostly just giving us a "fly-on-the-wall" PoV in some places that we didn't have in the books.

one complaint - DAVOS TALKS WAY TOO FAST! i love the actor but dang dude, slow it down, i can barely understand you

oh, and...you know you're watching quality television when you witness an eskimo brother relationship being created. BLECH!

WW. Wight. W/e.


The fact is, the undead from beyond the Wall gets completely ignored in ACOK. Snow and Mormont spend book 2 dealing with wildlings, it isnt until the battle of "round top," or whatever that weak fortress is, do you actually see WW or wights since book 1. And that battle occurs during the prologue of ASOS(book3). Remember: 3 horn blows for WW, and that hasnt occurred in thousands of years.

Throughout season 1 I never minded the "deleted scenes" from the book being added to the HBO series. Combining characters and omitting non-critical characters (like Jacelyn and Chataya) are also no big problem for me. But this season the scripts have featured much more "filler" material. Other than Theon's and Arya's chapters, this episode seemed to have a lot of extra non-book scenes. And the sexual content is becoming increasingly gratuitous. Theon and the captain's daughter was needlessly explicit, but at least it was in the book. The rest was unnecessary, and in Stannis' case confirms a sexual relationship that was only rumored throughout the series. If this season continues with these trends, I may be tuning out.

I liked the interaction between Davis and sandor. That'll be a nice touch.

They seem to be leaving patch face and stannis's daughter for later or maybe not at all. We would have already met them if it was going to keep directly in line with the books. For now it is def. ok that they have not been mentioned. I felt as though the little finger and ros scene showed that he is ruthless and ont cares about 1 thing. He basically admitted that he let some sadist kill the girl during turtore sex or something, and tha since the guy was willing to pay a high price he was ok with it since that particular ***** ha given him issues in the past and cost him money.

I find it also interesting that no one else has warged or even had a wolf dream yet. I thought I remembered that by now John and arya both had dreamed/warged.

Thanks bill! That is what I was remembering, I thought that was sooner rather than later.

Why would I want to watch a TV series if it was exactly the same as a book anyway?

Onlyfornow... Bran had a wolf dream in the season opener... He didn't know it at the time of course... But he saw the wolf reflection in the pool

I don't recall Danery's bloodrider being beheaded. Was that different than the book?

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Why would I want to watch a TV series if it was exactly the same as a book anyway?

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Because you enjoyed the books so much that you're excited to see the story come to life visually? Look at it this way -- the screen time taken up by the brothel scene doesn't tell us anything important about either Littlefinger or Ros, and took screen time away from other plot and character development. Clash of Kings is a big book; they've got only 8 more episodes to get through a lot of storylines. I get that HBO is edgy and R-rated. But IMO it's starting to detract from telling a good story.

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