We also got that on top of being fire proof she was also incapable of being sick and that her special abilities are directly related to her dragons health and condition.

I thought that was a big deal, it implies that her connection to her dragons is a lot deeper than we knew.

We know that true Tragaryans are incapable of being sick from Tyroin's much more interesting chapters regarding greyscale and Stannis's daughter.

Her story is important, due to the propchies but the show hasn't even started hitting on them yet.

We also got that she very likely had a miscarriage. Which would mean that she is capable of having more children, in theory. Although it was a pretty boring chapter all the same.

Dany's whole story in ADWD was cringe-worthy...she should have been marching back west instead of trying to free slaves and getting mired down in the far east. all she cares about in the first 3-4 books is getting an army to Westeros thne she suddenly just wants to adopt all the poor people on this other contintent? lame.

Its for the starvin' children

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Dany's whole story in ADWD was cringe-worthy...she should have been marching back west instead of trying to free slaves and getting mired down in the far east. all she cares about in the first 3-4 books is getting an army to Westeros thne she suddenly just wants to adopt all the poor people on this other contintent? lame.

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Danny and Jon seem to making similar mistakes. Danny instead of focusing on the West worries with protecting slaves. Jon is too concerned with saving wildlings. Jon is killed for it though while Danny seems to now understand how to use her dragons.

I think thats wrong. I think Jon is the only one who is seeing it clearly. If the WWs turn humans into wights, then we can assume every wildling would be turned to a wight prior to the WWs coming to the Wall. You can either have 50,000 wights and WW army on one side of the wall, or those 50,000 wildlings on the other side of the Wall and some of them helping you defend.

I've read all the way up to CoK, and spoilers don't bother me.
What is so important about the phrase "you know nothing, Jon Snow?" why are all you fanboys so happy that the show FINALLY said that phrase. I'm a little lost.

Ha ha! He doesn't know!

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Dany's whole story in ADWD was cringe-worthy...she should have been marching back west instead of trying to free slaves and getting mired down in the far east. all she cares about in the first 3-4 books is getting an army to Westeros thne she suddenly just wants to adopt all the poor people on this other contintent? lame.

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This is referred to by GRRM as "the Meereenese Knot" and "Kong." To put it in short terms, he basically wrote himself into a corner with Dany's story and couldn't figure a way to get her out of Meereen for years.

(In many respects, GRRM is an outstanding author. But in some other respects, he's actually pretty average. This was one of those times.)

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You know nothing, Btron.

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I think thats wrong. I think Jon is the only one who is seeing it clearly. If the WWs turn humans into wights, then we can assume every wildling would be turned to a wight prior to the WWs coming to the Wall. You can either have 50,000 wights and WW army on one side of the wall, or those 50,000 wildlings on the other side of the Wall and some of them helping you defend.

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I felt the same way. Snow did most everything well, but his downfall was not convincing the men he led that what he was doing was the right call.

I also don't think he is actually finished either.

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/crying laughing face.
You guys are a lot funnier than I think you are.

What are they doing with Jon's story? I sure hope they don't skip the stuff with Quorin Halfhand before Jon joins the wildlings.

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What are they doing with Jon's story? I sure hope they don't skip the stuff with Quorin Halfhand before Jon joins the wildlings.

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I don't see how they can go back from this point.

Maybe the wildlings capture halfhand as well? Jon then must kill him to prove loyalty? I'm just as confused on how they play this one...

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Maybe the wildlings capture halfhand as well? Jon then must kill him to prove loyalty? I'm just as confused on how they play this one...

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that would be my best guess

How it stands right now there's no way the wildlings would buy Jon switching sides.

^ disagree. i could easily see ygritte standing up for him to rattleshirt, and at that point he has no choice but to follow quorin's last command and keep himself alive

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Maybe the wildlings capture halfhand as well? Jon then must kill him to prove loyalty? I'm just as confused on how they play this one...

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But that's so much less powerful than Halfhand telling Snow to obey the Wildlings' every command, knowing full well that they would expect Jon to kill him. My bet is we don't even see Halfhand.

Huh? Without Jon making a statement (like killing The halfhand), how do you expect the wildlings to believe that Jon is switching sides? He can make the claim all he wants, but as it's set right now it would be seen as bull****. Why would Ygritte stand up for him from what we've seen so far...?

Now that I'm finally getting a chance to watch season 2 (though I admittedly haven't caught up completely yet) I don't understand a lot of the changes they are making. I get it if you need to eliminate some characters, or merge a couple down into one, for the sake of brevity in a TV season - these are pretty long books after all.

But some of the changes are completely unnecessary and change not only events later in the story but characters as well. How are we supposed to believe Jon as Lord Commander later if they are still portraying him as immature and bumbling (stumbling into getting caught by the wildlings as opposed to everything he has to go through in the books?). Or Danerys - I haven't seen the episode yet, but apparently she lets her dragons get stolen and then she goes and whines to get them back? C'mon. In the books she has tons of personal doubt, but we believe her as a leader at that young age because she always appears strong in front of her "enemies". And Arya is now having long dialogues with Tywin Lannister and Littlefinger at Harrenhal?

It just seems like the TV show is now making changes just to make them - they've decided that they are going to use this audience they've developed to tell their own story of how they think it should go and what the characters are like. Kinda risky if you ask me considering that I would guess much of the audience is built-in from the books - deviate a lot and risk losing some people who tuned in to see the books come to life, not how Hollywood writers think the story should go. Its good tv, just disappointing.

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Huh? Without Jon making a statement (like killing The halfhand), how do you expect the wildlings to believe that Jon is switching sides? He can make the claim all he wants, but as it's set right now it would be seen as bull****. Why would Ygritte stand up for him from what we've seen so far...?

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You may be right. But being ordered by Wildlings to kill Halfhand without being ordered by Halfhand to spy on them and to obey them no matter what just isn't the same. This season has been pretty superficial, I just wouldn't be surprised if we didn't see him.

I thought I remember a scene from the season previews that showed Jon with a bloody eye... that happens when he wargs and is attacked by the eagle... maybe when the wildlings find out he is a warg, he becomes more useful to them...

and then halfhand gets captured, thrown into the same cell as Jon, the two plot how Jon can join the wildlings, and then death to halfhand

Casting rumors for Season 3 from westeros.org:

http://www.westeros.org/GoT/News/Entry/Casting_Continues_and_Extras_Sought/

Sounds like there is a possibility that we'll finally get the Blackfish.

Bronn!!!!!!




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Speaking of Season 3, is anyone else dying to see the adventure of Arya and the Hound? If the actors have half the chemistry together that the characters in the book had, it will be awesome. So far Maisie W. has shown herself to be more than capable of it.

Don't worry Btron, remember most of the folks on this thread are ex Dungeon and Dragon players.

I'm sure Bill OCH still plays!

Never played card games...The nerdiest thing I did was play Risk monthly for half a year until a fist fight broke out.

Glad they found the dragonglass! I was worried they would leave that out.

wait, is that the chain in the water in that picture?!

maybe they did keep it in!

You're right, it does look like the chain. But if Stannis is on the ships it loses its significance aside from just the pure spectacle of it.

What do you see as the chain?

Really wish Jaime had named the three cats that could best him in swordplay. Ned was supposedly an excellent swordsman, but he's dead. I'm thinking maybe the Mountain, Loras or Selmy? Of course, Selmy is pretty old at this point.