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bigboyaggie said:

Would love to know the politics behind why she is being paid so much money. Has done little to nothing when you compare her resume and results to other coaches on campus with far superior achievements time and time again. Actually I would probably prefer not to know the politics.
I agree. 400K a year is a lot to be middle of the road and alienate your fanbase with the woke stuff.

I know of Ags that are retired and live in CS that refuse to attend another VB game until Bird is gone because of the National Anthem fiasco.

There is way too much talent in Texas that wants to play at A&M to not field a top 20 team year and year out.
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Like I said, we were competitive under Corbellis. We were often top 25 and made the NCAAs 20 times and the sweet 16 four times in 25 years. That is very competitive but does not compare favorably to other A&M women's sports. As has been said, maybe the support does not compare favorably to other sports either though. A&M volleyball's "situation" (academic reputation, budget, facility, resources, tradition, etc.) is definitely top 40 but probably not top 16, so the Corbellis were right on par for they "should" have been.

Certainly no need to fire a long-time beloved coach who runs a clean program that produces great young women unless you are going to take it to the next level, and IMO the new hire is a downgrade. I don't think that's even debatable.

This is old, but interesting:

https://college-sports.texastribune.org/colleges/texas-am-university/

It's hard to find volleyball info, but I think it's safe to assume no one outside of t.u. is spending $2-3M per year on volleyball. Also the bird was brought in at $450k and is probably up to over $500k. Crazy. Mark Weaver (W Tennis) makes about a quarter of that. Laurie Corbelli was making $146K!

The difference between volleyball and tennis is that when they ran off the tennis Corbelli (Kleinecke) they replaced him with back to back hires that came cheap and won big. 6 out of the program's 7 Sweet 16s have come since Kleinecke was fired and the team made the NCAA finals and was inches away from a championship. If we're going to punt venerable institution type coaches, let's hire superstars, not just young (and more expensive) versions of the same thing.

Not that it matters because A&M basically prints money, but it's the principle of it. You want A&M to spend more on it's program? Maybe stop overpaying mediocre and inexperienced coaches and either cash whip a stud (like baseball) or put some more effort into a smart affordable hire (tennis) and put the money into the program itself.
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Geez I didnt realize the salary when up that much from Corbelli to Bird, that makes this even worse.

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Harry Dunne said:

Like I said, we were competitive under Corbellis. We were often top 25 and made the NCAAs 20 times and the sweet 16 four times in 25 years. That is very competitive but does not compare favorably to other A&M women's sports. As has been said, maybe the support does not compare favorably to other sports either though. A&M volleyball's "situation" (academic reputation, budget, facility, resources, tradition, etc.) is definitely top 40 but probably not top 16, so the Corbellis were right on par for they "should" have been.

Certainly no need to fire a long-time beloved coach who runs a clean program that produces great young women unless you are going to take it to the next level, and IMO the new hire is a downgrade. I don't think that's even debatable.

This is old, but interesting:

https://college-sports.texastribune.org/colleges/texas-am-university/

It's hard to find volleyball info, but I think it's safe to assume no one outside of t.u. is spending $2-3M per year on volleyball. Also the bird was brought in at $450k and is probably up to over $500k. Crazy. Mark Weaver (W Tennis) makes about a quarter of that. Laurie Corbelli was making $146K!

The difference between volleyball and tennis is that when they ran off the tennis Corbelli (Kleinecke) they replaced him with back to back hires that came cheap and won big. 6 out of the program's 7 Sweet 16s have come since Kleinecke was fired and the team made the NCAA finals and was inches away from a championship. If we're going to punt venerable institution type coaches, let's hire superstars, not just young (and more expensive) versions of the same thing.

Not that it matters because A&M basically prints money, but it's the principle of it. You want A&M to spend more on it's program? Maybe stop overpaying mediocre and inexperienced coaches and either cash whip a stud (like baseball) or put some more effort into a smart affordable hire (tennis) and put the money into the program itself.
Mark Weaver then needs a raise! He is getting some damn good recruits. We should be consistently in the top 10 in women's tennis. And we may be so starting this year.

I know it was last year's but as of April of 2021, A&M's VBall RPI was 177!!!
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RPI Futures has us at #40 ending with a 14-14 record for season

I can see us going 5-1 until conference (loss vs Texas) and after that it will be interesting ...hell we could be 3-3 or worse even

South Carolina opened some peoples eyes this weekend and Missouri is awful which i predicted

after last season who knows we were not good in fall and just slightly better in the spring but still made for a .500 record and we are staring at that again
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Jack Pearson said:

Geez I didnt realize the salary when up that much from Corbelli to Bird, that makes this even worse.


Well then this will really make you mad:

As of 2018 there wasn't a single coach in the conference making $200K - matter of fact there were only 6 in the whole country. At Kansas, Kuhn's boss was only making $138K!

https://www.flovolleyball.tv/articles/6085675-what-trends-exist-in-power-five-coaching-salaries

Which is why it is beyond ridiculous that we cash whipped an inexperienced coach that it turns out ain't that great. I have no problem with the salary. If we have it, spend it. But it seems that we could have pried away an experienced coach from a P5 program for that amount. Why did we not just hire her boss?

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cbmik95 said:

Considering we don't have dedicated volleyball facilities, unlike every other sport, I'd say there is a lack of equal investment compared to others. There aren't any plans for volleyball only facilities. It's all shared.

You throw in the fact you now have to compete with Texas and Baylor in state, plus the fact top recruits don't typically stay instate(ex: Nebraska signed a stud OH from Houston).

Until they invest and pay up like the big dogs(ex: us hiring Schloss for baseball), then we are going to be average. Whether you like it or not, we were pretty average during the Corbelli tenure.

I'd be curious to know how the school is investing in volleyball.
If volleyball doesn't have a dedicated facility then by definition basketball can't either

A dedicated volleyball only facility isn't normal for the sport. You mention Baylor, but they don't have a volleyball only facility (share with basketball and tumbling). Nebraska you also mention doesn't either (they share with wrestling and gymnastics). National champion Kentucky doesn't have a volleyball only facility (share with women's basketball and gymnastics). Stanford (national champion 2016, 2018 & 2019) shares with basketball and gymnastics. Penn St (national champion in 2013 & 2014) shares with wrestling and gymnastics. Wisconsin (runner up in 2019) shares with wresting. Florida (runner up in 2017) shares with gymnastics and basketball. UCLA (national champion in 2011) shares with basketball and gymnastics.

I'm not opposed to them getting their own facility. And yes it sucks that Texas is one of the few that has one and we have to compete with them for in state recruits. But volleyball only facilities aren't normal even for elite volleyball programs.
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No, I agree. Just an idea that came to mind. I honestly miss G. Rollie White, although it wouldn't be ideal for recruiting. That was a fun atmosphere! We should have kept that and just updated it for volleyball.
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Harry Dunne said:

Jack Pearson said:

Geez I didnt realize the salary when up that much from Corbelli to Bird, that makes this even worse.


Well then this will really make you mad:

As of 2018 there wasn't a single coach in the conference making $200K - matter of fact there were only 6 in the whole country. At Kansas, Kuhn's boss was only making $138K!

https://www.flovolleyball.tv/articles/6085675-what-trends-exist-in-power-five-coaching-salaries

Which is why it is beyond ridiculous that we cash whipped an inexperienced coach that it turns out ain't that great. I have no problem with the salary. If we have it, spend it. But it seems that we could have pried away an experienced coach from a P5 program for that amount. Why did we not just hire her boss?


LOL that is ridiculous. What is the backstory on this?
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If they were only paying corbelli that much after so many years that totally explains the same commitment to the school she gave. You get what you pay for, in effort and commitment also. This coach isn't even in same ball park as corbellis were in recruiting, experience, confidence, and most especially class and character. What a shame and frankly embarrassing if indeed paying this coach that much. Lastly this coach is absolutely 180 degrees opposite and opposed to what made tamu and what tamu used to "stand" for.
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To give credit Kansas wasnt very good before Bird got there and when she left to come here it tailed off considerably. She recruited well. She has done OK here at recruiting...retainment is a different story

Gomez was a great pick up for one year libero

Rush has all the potential in world as an athlete but hasnt made as strong of movement to better skilled at VB, but athletically is way above average for RS....finally hitting the level we hoped for would have been outstanding but time is running out for that honestly

The Woodward sisters backed out of their commitment to attend a HBC school (Howard)

Wennas left to go to Minnesota when she blew up after playing for Ping Cao

Jeter Larson and back up setter all left last season which means unless we have the middles stay an extra year we will be starting next season with two new middles, and setter all while having a revolving door on our roster of pin hitters starting and then not starting, having a good game to one that is average at best.

We do have a couple of players coming in that people are high on but IIRC they arent middles but rather pins so while improvement either of the perfmance of current pin hitters or upgrades with recruiting we will have deficencies in middle unless transfers which is becoming more and more prevailant in the new era

I dont have any issue with Bird as a person as all, and honestly dont care about political leanings but she is in year four of a program and 4 of the 7 starters including libero position are Corbelli recruits and the other three are transfers so not one player out of high school has had an impact on the program in year four... that scares me a bit.

I want her to succeed and the program grow but we are no where near where we were under the Corbelli's and the one run we had was all Corbelli players except Gomez and Rush for the most part and Rush was a freshman who was raw with potential at the time

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Don't care about political leanings either and frankly shouldn't know them, however she is quite open and vocal about them to team and by her actions. See shirts and anthem disgrace. Just coach. 450k all I can say is wow.
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Cal Poly with 3 aces in their first 8 serves and leads A&M 12-6 in the 1st set.
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A&M also with 3 service errors in the early going. 16-10 Cal Poly.
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Yikes
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1st set to Cal Poly 25-19
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Do Lauren, Morgan, and Trey realize they have might have to dig a ball or two, even on the front row? Like dang, this is hard to watch.

Morgan looks lazy
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Sustala has served 4 times so far and has 3 errors.
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Morgan is killing us. Camielle is not making good decisions.

Our block is costing us big time
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What channel is this on?
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https://gopoly.com/watch/?Live=5&type=Live

you need an account. but it is free.
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Do we have an actual DS on the team? Like damn
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Headed to a 5th and decisive set tonight.
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20 SERVICE ERRORS
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8-7 Ags in the 5th set! Let's get out of here with the W Ags
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Cal Poly has won 32 consecutive matches at home... longest streak in the nation... Aggies up 11-7 5th set! 4 points to go!
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Lol the Cal Poly announcers are crying and blaming the refs lol
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Aggies win 15-11 in the 5th set and the match 3-2.

A&M moves to 2-2 on the year and Cal Poly is now 1-3.

Plenty to clean up for us.
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Gap said:

Aggies win 15-11 in the 5th set and the match 3-2.

A&M moves to 2-2 on the year and Cal Poly is now 1-3.

Plenty to clean up for us.
Hopefully we can use this as a turning point! Clean up our passing and serving!! We can only go up from here! Long and difficult road swing for our ladies! Not with almost the entire month at home let's rack up some W's!
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taylorswift13 said:

Gap said:

Aggies win 15-11 in the 5th set and the match 3-2.

A&M moves to 2-2 on the year and Cal Poly is now 1-3.

Plenty to clean up for us.
Hopefully we can use this as a turning point! Clean up our passing and serving!! We can only go up from here! Long and difficult road swing for our ladies! Not with almost the entire month at home let's rack up some W's!
Agreed. It ends up being a pivotal win. Now we come home and hopefully improve from here.
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taylorswift13 said:

Cal Poly has won 32 consecutive matches at home... longest streak in the nation... Aggies up 11-7 5th set! 4 points to go!
primarily due to the level of their competition. Cal poly is not a good team team we should be celebrating winning against. They absolutely got their clocks cleaned by Louisville and Arizona State, which are teams that are more like at the level we should be.

We should handle corpus easily. Houston will be a real test. I'll change my tune if we can show something a little better against them, but right now we are sloppy and look poorly coached.

Edit: To say my initial take on Cal Poly was emotional and incorrect. They are a good program, but not one that we should be squeaking by Their home streak is impressive, but does not include a single win against anyone even close to the top 25. It is mostly scrubs and teams in their own conference which besides Hawaii (who they split the season series with) are trash like Cal State Fullerton that didn't win a single match. After losing the UCLA transfers I don't see them continuing at the same pace and I doubt they are going to be a "good win" for us by the end of the season.
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Cal Poly didn't play volleyball last year due to covid, but they have a solid program. They have been to 3 straight NCAA tournaments winning matches 2 of those years. Their home streak includes a couple of wins over UCLA and Hawaii. Their record the last 3 seasons:

2017: 27-3
2018: 25-3
2019: 21-9
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Whoever said Cal Poly isn't a good program doesn't follow VB. That said it was a rough match in terms of level of play. I only caught less than half the match but we won in spite of the serve/pass portion of the game.
Stat wise Conner didn't have her usual offensive gameshe is one of the better offensive setters in the nation. Talbert didn't have a good stat line either but honestly that is more an aberration IMO. Davis did quite well and would have had one of her better stat lines for her career if not for a couple of errors toward the end of the match. It was a good win for the program when certain aspects of the game were not at the level you need. Overcoming mediocre to below average aspects of the game and winning is what will help us down the line. We lost the serve receive game to them with 20 service errors and far less aces and in what I watched we were out of system in serve reception a bit too much but still won. I like the stat lines of the pins overall.

Should take care of Corpus on Monday. Will be good to see Steve Greene back to CS. and I think we need to go 3-0 in our tourney this season. Then a loss to Texas would put us at the 5-1 mark I was hoping for going into conference play.

We used a lot of various DS players last night and therefore didn't have back row attack options which is what each top 25 team has at least one. That 6 rotation outside hitter may not exist in this roster but we need someone who will be an option in back row. Ennis or CC are our best options if not a OH who plays all the way around
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Cal Poly is now an average non power team. Once they graduated those sisters in 2019, they lost credibility. They were very high level transfers from UCLA. Not saying they are bad, but they would finish right towards the bottom in the SEC.

Camielle had an issue in all 4 matches with set location. She consistently set everyone low. She made consistent bad attacking decisions.

Morgan does alright for 3 rotations. Once you put her on the backrow, it's almost a guaranteed ace.

Ball control and serve receive win matches. They need to get back into the gym and get it addressed or the SEC could be a nasty wake up call
 
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