Topher17 said:

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Ag1188 said:

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Sgt. Schultz said:

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its gonna be Lutz

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he looks terrible

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How?

He's not my first choice, but he's improved every team he's coached from the prior year and 3 tournaments in 4 years. Track record is short, but that's a solid resume.

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Lutz record in-conference:

2022 - 7-7
2023 - 14-4
2024 - 8-8
2025 - 7-13

JJxvi said:

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what would hypothetically stop us from bankrolling some of the athletic budget of the satellite campuses in exchange for something similar to partnerships and rights of first refusal on talent.

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I know it's been a frustrating few decades of having everything but the championships, but now it has some of us wanting to install something analogous to prima nocta.

Are… are we the bad guys?!

I would take a look at Chris Collins from Northwestern. Was a player and then assistant under Coach K at Duke.

Yes, he's been sort of mediocre but is on the come up now. Didn't perform as highly last year after losing his best player to an injury, but still finished with a top 40 defense and top 70 offense. Could prove himself in a new conference.

FWIW he was also interested in the Maryland job, so he definitely might be looking.

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2nd Generation Ag said:

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Watch the Vanderbilt the coach. They have reached out to him

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Byington would be interesting.

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Assuming we really did source 6-7 plus NIL, then we are certainly exploring far better names than lutz or byington.

If we get down that far, we got several rejections

I just read that we are interested in Kellen Sampson. The son of Kelvin Sampson and an assistant coach.

SECTAMU#1 said:

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I just read that we are interested in Kellen Sampson. The son of Kelvin Sampson and an assistant coach.

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I believe he is HCIW at UH after Kelvin retires.

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SECTAMU#1 said:

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I just read that we are interested in Kellen Sampson. The son of Kelvin Sampson and an assistant coach.

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I believe he is HCIW at UH after Kelvin retires.

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Think isn't a well known secret but kelvin isn't ancient

What if he wants to keep coaching another 4-8 years?

I'd absolutely make an offer and force their hand. Staying under daddy's wing making decent but not earth shattering money for several more years OR hand him the keys to his own program today with a good NIL and 2 million dollar contract?

I would absolutely speed up that process and force them into a decision. He would at least consider it, who wouldn't unless kelvin has already told him he's retiring next year or something soon

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I just read that we are interested in Kellen Sampson. The son of Kelvin Sampson and an assistant coach.

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Yeah this would be surprising.

At this point, I'd like to get a coach that isn't cut from the same cloth as BCG/Turgeon/Buzz.

I want a high scoring team like Paul Westhead's teams in the 80's.

Mr.Milkshake said:

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Assuming we really did source 6-7 plus NIL, then we are certainly exploring far better names than lutz or byington.

If we get down that far, we got several rejections

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There's like 5-10 guys in the entire country, almost all of them at great jobs, worth that much a year, how far down a list could we have possibly gotten?

Ag1188 said:

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Lutz record in-conference:

2022 - 7-7
2023 - 14-4
2024 - 8-8
2025 - 7-13

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Only 2023 was a second year, the rest were first years. So let's look at some anonymous resumes of some coaches only looking at their first year at a school:

Coach A:
0-15, 7-11, 9-7, 10-6, 4-14

Coach B:
9-7, 9-9

Coach C:
10-8, 8-10

Coach D:
His first year the program wasn't in a conference but went 11-14 overall, then at his second job they went 6-8, 4-10, 3-11, 7-7 in league play his first four seasons.

Would hire those guys?
Sampson, Golden, Oats, Kryzysewski,

bobinator said:

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Otzelberger also would possibly fit a theory I have, which is that there have to be some coaches out there worried about their school's ability to keep up in the revenue sharing era. I've wondered if there's some coaches that on the surface don't seem realistic for us but actually might be because of all the uncertainty in college sports. A school like Iowa State could be one.

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Not on the unrealistic side, I don't think, but ultimately someone at a school in a weird situation...what do you think of Kyle Smith

I dunno, I've tried to talk myself into it because I think he'd definitely be realistic. And Stanford is definitely in a tough place, but man... there's just not a lot there to love, though the dude has been at two places in a row that are in tough spots to compete and he's done okay. He definitely elevated San Francisco from where they were before him, but but both coaches since have done even better.

I'd almost rather take a flyer on Gerlufsen.

Kyle Smith is also from Houston, with both west and east coast experience if that means much. I also like that he's an analytics guy theoretically, although I'm not sure that is a popular opinion at the moment.

Ag1188 said:

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Topher17 said:

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Ag1188 said:

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Sgt. Schultz said:

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its gonna be Lutz

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he looks terrible

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How?

He's not my first choice, but he's improved every team he's coached from the prior year and 3 tournaments in 4 years. Track record is short, but that's a solid resume.

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Lutz record in-conference:

2022 - 7-7
2023 - 14-4
2024 - 8-8
2025 - 7-13

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All of those are an improvement over the school's conference record the prior season. Again, not my first choice, but he'd be a solid hire that I could get on board with compared to several others guys that feel attainable.

Also conference record is a hilarious way to nitpick to find an issue with a guy that has risen quickly in the coaching ranks. You were staunchly anti-Buzz, but his conference records outside of one season here were really good.

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Kyle Smith is also from Houston, with both west and east coast experience if that means much.

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He seems to be highly respected. A bunch of folks in college basketball circles really love him, but the results are just not there. WSU is a really tough place to succeed, but not sure I'd want us to be the ones to take that chance.

Yeah, Kyle Smith was one of the coaches people would recommend to replace Buzz Williams in the middle of last year and I was like "what, you were just complaining about the number of times that Buzz has made the NCAA Tournament in the last so many years???"

After Chris Mack (seemed to) turned down Xavier I also haven't really been considering him, but that's a decent option that's maybe in play?

I don't know the inside info on that strange deal at Louisville.

I'd be open to giving him a chance. The Louisville ending was bizarre, but the guy can coach ball.

Do we know if he turned down Xavier, or did Pitino get involved and Xavier liked that option better?

We don't know, but he released a statement about staying at Charleston so I think we can assume he at least talked to them.

He definitely talked to them, no doubt about that.

Looking again at his resume, there is some aspect of being able to write off the downturn at Louisville being Covid related. Obviously the Gaudio blackmail and all that stuff was not because of Covid, but the downturn happened right in line with Covid and he was gone before having a chance to really recover it. Everything prior to that is really good.
Xavier was already humming when he took it over and it was in a totally different era, but he did somewhat elevate it from even where Matta/Miller had it. My biggest questions would be around having not done it in this new era of NIL.

Was thinking about it last night, but I really hope whoever we go with they continue to schedule OOC like Buzz has the last few years. Playing a challenging and exciting non-con has been fun and has clearly helped with the committee.

What's funny is the other assistant coach fired in that deal is everyone's favorite up and comer at Uconn.

To be fair, I didn't even realize that. I knew it was Gaudio/Mack, didn't remember Murray being involved. Might need to go refresh myself on that story if Mack is where this is headed.

I was waiting for somebody to bring that up...

I miss Brent Z

He wasn't involved in the extortion thing, but his being fired was seen as extremely strange at the time. He was Mack's boy.

bobinator said:

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I dunno, I've tried to talk myself into it because I think he'd definitely be realistic. And Stanford is definitely in a tough place, but man... there's just not a lot there to love, though the dude has been at two places in a row that are in tough spots to compete and he's done okay. He definitely elevated San Francisco from where they were before him, but but both coaches since have done even better.

I'd almost rather take a flyer on Gerlufsen.

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I mean there might be something there. The first guy that followed was his assistant at both Columbia and USF (golden boy Todd Golden). Columbia also is going back to that well hiring Hovde (assistant for both Smith and Golden)

I do think something we all have to keep in mind is that we've been Buzz-brained into this being a one-man show, but if we can get a decent head coach but also give them the purse to get get a really top flight assistant staff then we could be in a good situation.

bobinator said:

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I do think something we all have to keep in mind is that we've been Buzz-brained into this being a one-man show, but if we can get a decent head coach but also give them the purse to get get a really top flight assistant staff then we could be in a good situation.

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Sounds like you're already thinking of Plan B when we make this next bad hire.

Do you have anything to actually add?

Smith has a Noel Mazzone vibe

Topher17 said:

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Ag1188 said:

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Topher17 said:

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Ag1188 said:

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Sgt. Schultz said:

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its gonna be Lutz

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he looks terrible

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How?

He's not my first choice, but he's improved every team he's coached from the prior year and 3 tournaments in 4 years. Track record is short, but that's a solid resume.

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Lutz record in-conference:

2022 - 7-7
2023 - 14-4
2024 - 8-8
2025 - 7-13

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All of those are an improvement over the school's conference record the prior season. Again, not my first choice, but he'd be a solid hire that I could get on board with compared to several others guys that feel attainable.

Also conference record is a hilarious way to nitpick to find an issue with a guy that has risen quickly in the coaching ranks. You were staunchly anti-Buzz, but his conference records outside of one season here were really good.

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Agree. Its gonna be Lutz. Not flashy but a very solid hire who will have the NIL to work with here. Basketball is a sport where you can turn over the roster and be good very quick. Lutz knows how to do that and with very few holdovers, it will be his team from the jump.