The whole NIL entitlement has already lost it's original intent, if it ever had any in the first place. It was supposed to be based on the player's name as a result of his achievements and not attached to any school. The NIL has instead become a recruiting tool and is totally dependent on the school's boosters ability to negotiate a deal with a player before he has done anything. It's all backwards and screwed up. Now one can argue that a player's NIL is a result of his high school achievements and recruiting popularity, but to me that wasn't the intent for the rule.

Can you answer the question I asked. Is every player eligible next season or not?

Yes it was. The real intent was to keep delaying schools from having to classify athletes as employees by opening up another way for them to make money.

Tavares19 said:

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Because if I wanted to watch pro basketball I'd watch the NBA. At least there they have a salary cap and contracts where you can lock players in for longer lengths than one year.

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You should probably stick to HS basketball then. Lol.

bobinator said:

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Can you answer the question I asked. Is every player eligible next season or not?

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It's pretty clear. Players will essentially be eligible when a player takes the NCAA to court and wins…or the NCAA acquiesces under the threat of successful legal action.

Jesus Christ man. IS THAT GOING TO HAPPEN BY NEXT NOVEMBER OR NOT?

bobinator said:

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Jesus Christ man. IS THAT GOING TO HAPPEN BY NEXT NOVEMBER OR NOT?

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YEAH, I CAN PREDICT WHEN A PLAYER DECIDES TO GET AN ATTORNEY AND SUE THE NCAA. I CAN FURTHER PREDICT THE COURT AND THE JURISDICTION OF THE FILING, AND THE CURRENT BACKLOG OF THE SAID UNKNOWN COURT.

Go grab some coffee, calm down, chit-chat with a few co-workers in your office, and come back a little less agitated of my inability to predict the future decisions of a player and his attorney.

Bob
I don't think most coaches believe everyone will be eligible after a second transfer. Best example will be this afternoon when landers Nolley will most likely commit to University of Cincinnati. From what I can find he needs to graduate this summer to play next year but that may not be Possible. Looks like NC State and us will only take him as a graduate transfer but Cincinnati has more room a can wait.

bobinator said:

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Jesus Christ man. IS THAT GOING TO HAPPEN BY NEXT NOVEMBER OR NOT?

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Let me help here: he doesn't know. No one knows.

You can infer from the fact that coaches continue to recruit players who would appear to need a waiver, that coaches expect some allowances to be made, but it's all guesswork at this point.

So you don't know, that's all you had to say. "I don't know." I don't know either, that's what I'm saying.

My original point was just that we don't know if Harmon is eligible right away or not. By the current rules, he has to sit a season, so it's a factor to consider compared to other players in the portal. The same is true of Nolley. (Which, speaking of, whether an athlete has graduated or not doesn't matter anymore, he'll also need a waiver.)

One of the reasons cited by national outlets for the rule change is that the NCAA was overloaded with hardship waivers requests, and the perceived randomness with which they ruled on them was creating a lot of backlash. From The Athletic: "Those five sports require transfers to sit out for a year unless they are granted an immediate-eligibility waiver. The proposed change would mean a uniform rule across all sports (and a clear path for the truly extraordinary waiver requests to be resolved quickly), and it could take effect as soon as the 2020-21 academic year."

So, it's not a huge leap in logic to think that, because now you can transfer once without sitting, it's not going to be nearly as easy to get a waiver as it was over the last decade or so.

That's all I'm saying. There are players in the portal that very well might not be eligible next season.

Nolley is going to be an interesting case. Since he used a hardship waiver for his first transfer, I could see the NCAA granting him an exception if he graduates because he won't have used his one-time exception.

Malachi Smith entered today from Chattanooga. I know he struggled against Illinois but I would love to get him

bobinator said:

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So you don't know, that's all you had to say. "I don't know." I don't know either, that's what I'm saying.

My original point was just that we don't know if Harmon is eligible right away or not. By the current rules, he has to sit a season, so it's a factor to consider compared to other players in the portal. The same is true of Nolley. (Which, speaking of, whether an athlete has graduated or not doesn't matter anymore, he'll also need a waiver.)

One of the reasons cited by national outlets for the rule change is that the NCAA was overloaded with hardship waivers requests, and the perceived randomness with which they ruled on them was creating a lot of backlash. From The Athletic: "Those five sports require transfers to sit out for a year unless they are granted an immediate-eligibility waiver. The proposed change would mean a uniform rule across all sports (and a clear path for the truly extraordinary waiver requests to be resolved quickly), and it could take effect as soon as the 2020-21 academic year."

So, it's not a huge leap in logic to think that, because now you can transfer once without sitting, it's not going to be nearly as easy to get a waiver as it was over the last decade or so.

That's all I'm saying. There are players in the portal that very well might not be eligible next season.

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I disagree because of the actions of those most affected by this rule. My original point before you went off on the all-caps saga is that these college coaches would not expend the time and money to recruit or host these players on official visits if they didn't have a good idea how the NCAA was going to act with all of these portal guys who have already used their free transfer. Many of these players have mentors and consultants who are advising them, and it's hard to believe they are all moving forward with transfer two without some behind the scenes interpretation or clarification from the NCAA that it can be done under certain circumstances.

I find it very unlikely that the NCAA is giving advisory opinions. Although I think you are likely correct that player hired advisors or counsel are doing so.

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I find it very unlikely that the NCAA is giving advisory opinions. Although I think you are likely correct that player hired advisors or counsel are doing so.

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You don't think the NCAA is giving advice and clarification to college coaches on the rules? Isn't that one of the primary roles of their job…making sure the member institutions properly understand and follow the rules?

No I don't think they are giving any opinions if asked about how a particular player's situation would be addressed. Have you talked to any individuals who serve on NCAA arbitration panels?

ProudAggie98 said:

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Malachi Smith entered today from Chattanooga. I know he struggled against Illinois but I would love to get him

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I figure we have no shot. But he's great.

Texas Tech's Kevin McCullar will enter the transfer portal, per his Twitter page. McCullar has also declared for the 2022 NBA Draft.

— Jon Rothstein (@JonRothstein) April 27, 2022

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No I don't think they are giving any opinions if asked about how a particular player's situation would be addressed. Have you talked to any individuals who serve on NCAA arbitration panels?

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I'm not suggesting they are having discussions on specific players, but there's no question they are clarifying the current rules. That's their job.

So let's take players who have already transferred. Yes, the coaching staffs have clarified the new rules on potential grad transfers and waivers. Rules and regulations are constantly being tweaked based on feedback from coaching staffs and member institutions.

I mean they might still host a player even if he has to sit next year, if they're good enough. Or maybe they're going to apply for a waiver and hope it goes through but they're going to keep him even if it doesn't. I'm not totally sure but does a player sitting out for a transfer count against your scholarship limit?

You act like it's a sure thing when I don't see any evidence at all that's the case, and you act like just because something will eventually happen means it's going to happen right away. I know eventually they're going to have unlimited transfers, just like they're eventually going to get directly paid, but we can't count on that for next season.

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I mean they might still host a player even if he has to sit next year, if they're good enough. Or maybe they're going to apply for a waiver and hope it goes through but they're going to keep him even if it doesn't. I'm not totally sure but does a player sitting out for a transfer count against your scholarship limit?

You act like it's a sure thing when I don't see any evidence at all that's the case, and you act like just because something will eventually happen means it's going to happen right away. I know eventually they're going to have unlimited transfers, just like they're eventually going to get directly paid, but we can't count on that for next season.

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With what A&Mnis bringing back and the few spots they have now, there is no way they will entertain taking a 9-pt a game big guard who has to sit out a year…none.

With today's transfer rules, the value of someone that must sit out a year is extremely low.

I wouldn't recruit a player that has to sit either but my post was specifically about Harmon and it being a factor for him as far as whether we'd go after him. From the outside, it looks like he'd have to sit.

bobinator said:

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I wouldn't recruit a player that has to sit either but my post was specifically about Harmon and it being a factor for him as far as whether we'd go after him. From the outside, it looks like he'd have to sit.

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I don't see why it's more likely he sits out, but not Nolley.

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TCU is the latest program to inquire in Wichita State transfer Dexter Dennis, a source told @Stockrisers. Had visits with Indiana, Clemson — in that order, last week. Texas A&M, also another school in the mix, along with many others.

Tough two-way prospect.

— Jake (@jakeweingarten) April 26, 2022

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I take this to mean that we are no longer pursuing Dexter Dennis.

Wichita State transfer Dexter Dennis is still being pursued by TCU, Vandy, Indiana, K-State, Arkansas, and in addition, Wichita State remains in contention, but, has some hefty competition for the talented transfer, a source told @Stockrisers.

— Jake (@jakeweingarten) April 27, 2022

Or he didn't have interest in us and its a list of mutual interest.

Because Nolley didn't use the one time exception yet. He got a hardship waiver last time, so I could see that being a different case. Especially if he's able to graduate.

That seems significantly more likely.

So he gets a second waiver? That seems more likely?

Obviously all these guys seem to think they can transfer and be eligible right away regardless of what they have done. No idea if they have been told that or what

Nolley to Cincy as expected.

Oklahoma guard Umoja Gibson is in the transfer portal, per source. Honorable mention All-Big 12 selection, averaged 13.3 points last season. Career 40% 3-point shooter.

— Jeff Borzello (@jeffborzello) April 27, 2022

No, Nolley wouldn't need a waiver. He's never actually used his one-time exception. Imagine it's a card like in Monopoly. Once you play it, you have to apply for a waiver the next time.

But Nolley transferred to Memphis before they gave the cards out, so he got a waiver last time. So, theory is, he can still play his.

(Again, this is a guess, I listened to the NCAA's "transfer portal transparency" video earlier and I'm actually a little more uncertain now, especially with grad transfers.)

Everybody is saying he needs a waiver.

The article on The Athletic makes it sound like he's good to go if he graduates this summer.

bobinator said:

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The article on The Athletic makes it sound like he's good to go if he graduates this summer.

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Gotcha. I've heard from 3 people today that he has a lot of work to do to graduate and that concerned A&M. No idea if that is legit or sour grapes.

Yeah so I guess since he hasn't used his one time transfer, he won't need a waiver if he graduates, but maybe he will if he doesn't.

But it's going to be interesting, wouldn't be the first time some players didn't really understand the rules.

He needs more than one class to graduate this summer. NC State backed off him late as I'm sure buzz did too. The Cincinnati deal came about pretty quickly in the last week. They have room and are willing to wait if they have too.