Preston Smith was the TT culprit when they got their Med School over A&M. Dolph just continued the resistance when he was elected in 1979.
Texas Tech is moving forward with the vet school
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http://www.lubbockonline.com/news/20180809/texas-tech-regents-committees-ok-plans-for-dairy-barn-athlete-dinning-amarillo-vet-school
Texas Tech regents committees OK plans for dairy barn, athlete dinning, Amarillo vet school
Texas Tech regents committees OK plans for dairy barn, athlete dinning, Amarillo vet school
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Tech is also tightening its focus on the vision for a new school of veterinary medicine in Amarillo, with two committees from Tech's Board of Regents approving both the process of establishing the new school and degree plan as well as funding for preliminary designs for the school.
Tech Provost Michael Galyean told regents on Thursday during their committee meetings in Lubbock that the Texas Legislature appropriated $4.17 million for a feasibility study in its last legislative session.
While facilities for the vet school would cost $89 million, the five-year operating cost would be $82.29 million, Galyean said. The five-year operating cost would include money to stock the two buildings, including equipment for classes, libraries and supplies, as well as the cost of faculty.
Tech would like to have 60 students per class in a four-year program, Galyean said, with 240 students ultimately being enrolled in the school. But he said the university needs to bridge funding during the five-year period until state formula funding kicks in for all 240 students.
Billy Breedlove, who was announced by Chancellor Robert Duncan as the new vice chancellor of facilities and planning during the Thursday meeting, also asked the regents to approve the concept for the veterinary school and a first-stage design budget of $1.37 million. The two facilities needed for the vet school have an anticipated budget of $89.82 million, Breedlove said. Not only would it serve 240 veterinary students, but it would also serve 150-200 non-doctor of veterinary medicine graduate students and an estimated academic staff of 90.
"I think we have shared previously with the board information documenting the shortage of veterinarians in the state of Texas in recent years. It's very clear that the single vet school in the state of Texas has not met the needs in the state. That has been particularly identified in the case of rural communities and the livestock industry," Galyean said, adding that the appropriation was a response to the veterinary shortages.
Galyean said Tech believes it has a program in development that could serve the needs of rural Texas and the livestock industry, and to do so at a reasonable cost of educating the students involved.
Regent John Esparza, the chair of the regents' facilities committee, said the request for design funding is an exciting development, adding Tech should be commended for raising funds for the school of veterinary medicine.
The regents' academic, clinical and student affairs committee approved the process to establish the school of veterinary medicine and doctor of veterinary medicine degree program.
So this vet school thing at tech...........I'm guessing it happens or tech is going to sink their school in an effort to make it happen?
Not rolling or trying to start a dik measuring contest - but why exactly is another vet school in that part of the state a bad thing? It seems it would be good for our state and also serve a sizeable portion of college students. 
Hamburger Dan said:
Not rolling or trying to start a dik measuring contest - but why exactly is another vet school in that part of the state a bad thing? It seems it would be good for our state and also serve a sizeable portion of college students.
You shut your dirty ***** mouth with that talk.
I think the issue is that it will cost the taxpayers a lot more to create a new vet school from scratch than it would to do what A&M is already doing out there. The Texas Higher Education Coordinating Board doesn't seem to think the demand warrants a new vet school. Tech seems be arguing that the demand is there. Andy doesn't know anything other than he wants Tech to "win" because it helps alleviate the Napoleon Complex he's carried around with him for 35 plus years.Hamburger Dan said:
Not rolling or trying to start a dik measuring contest - but why exactly is another vet school in that part of the state a bad thing? It seems it would be good for our state and also serve a sizeable portion of college students.
Actually are you are incorrect at least for large animal vets which is the need Tech is trying to address.
"In July 2016, the Texas Higher Education Coordinating Board adopted a report reiterating the critical shortages of large animal and rural veterinarians in Texas."
Link to full article with quote.
https://www.avma.org/News/JAVMANews/Pages/180715k.asp
It is not a matter if there is a shortage in the state and particularly in the Panhandle it is simply a matter of how the need is filled. A&M wants to protect its turf understandably so. Tech wants serve the area in which it resides and has received substantial financial and community support understandably so. Competition is a good thing but A&M is using the state funding issue as a red herring to submarine another state school having a vet school. Make no mistake about it the need has been identified as real.
"In July 2016, the Texas Higher Education Coordinating Board adopted a report reiterating the critical shortages of large animal and rural veterinarians in Texas."
Link to full article with quote.
https://www.avma.org/News/JAVMANews/Pages/180715k.asp
It is not a matter if there is a shortage in the state and particularly in the Panhandle it is simply a matter of how the need is filled. A&M wants to protect its turf understandably so. Tech wants serve the area in which it resides and has received substantial financial and community support understandably so. Competition is a good thing but A&M is using the state funding issue as a red herring to submarine another state school having a vet school. Make no mistake about it the need has been identified as real.
I didn't say there wasn't a shortage of large animal vets. I said the THECB determined that ANOTHER VET SCHOOL wasn't needed. There's a difference. The problem is, you can't FORCE vets to work in one particular area. Vets, by and large, don't make that much money. But they can generate heavy volume in larger urban areas, vs. driving all over the place in rural areas. My wife's uncle is one of the most well-known large animal vets in the state. He does pretty well, but even then, he's not killing it like a doctor or lawyer counterpart would be.ABCDE said:
Actually are you are incorrect at least for large animal vets which is the need Tech is trying to address.
"In July 2016, the Texas Higher Education Coordinating Board adopted a report reiterating the critical shortages of large animal and rural veterinarians in Texas."
Link to full article with quote.
https://www.avma.org/News/JAVMANews/Pages/180715k.asp
It is not a matter if there is a shortage in the state and particularly in the Panhandle it is simply a matter of how the need is filled. A&M wants to protect its turf understandably so. Tech wants serve the area in which it resides and has received substantial financial and community support understandably so. Competition is a good thing but A&M is using the state funding issue as a red herring to submarine another state school having a vet school. Make no mistake about it the need has been identified as real.
That's not how it works. Graduates have the choice to work at/own either a large or small animals practice. So no, it doesn't do anything different.ABCDE said:
Actually are you are incorrect at least for large animal vets which is the need Tech is trying to address.
There is need. It just whether Texas Tech or Texas A&M fulfill that need. I really don't care but I will say trying to get qualified large animal vet in West Texas can be difficult. The Okie St grads leave a lot to be desired from my experience.
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Governor Abbott wants the TAMU system to address the vet needs of West Texas. The Tech regents understood this. Duncan did not. It cost him his job.
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Governor Abbott wants the TAMU system to address the vet needs of West Texas. The Tech regents understood this. Duncan did not. It cost him his job.
And they can't guarantee they can meet it either. We live in a free country, and the graduates get to choose after graduation if they want to work with large or small animals.Quote:
And to date, the provider of those veterinarians cannot guarantee they can meet that pipeline need.
I'll say one more thing:
Duncan didn't help his case when he lied about how his vet school idea originated. It was in response to a courtesy call from Sharp letting Tech know that A&M was about to announce its plan to expand its vet school efforts to four system universities, including West Texas A&M. Duncan announced his vet school idea days later, knowing Sharp was a week away from announcing the A&M system collaboration, which A&M had been planning for more than two years.
Duncan didn't help his case when he lied about how his vet school idea originated. It was in response to a courtesy call from Sharp letting Tech know that A&M was about to announce its plan to expand its vet school efforts to four system universities, including West Texas A&M. Duncan announced his vet school idea days later, knowing Sharp was a week away from announcing the A&M system collaboration, which A&M had been planning for more than two years.
Reading a few of those, they are mega-pissed at their Board of Regents. Their BoR are all Tech grads, except for one from Angelo State, which is a Tech system school.Irish_Man said:
They're mad
https://247sports.com/college/texas-tech/Board/102951/Contents/Chancellor-Duncan-Resignation-Retirement-120677240/
Crazy
Why are Tech dorks, that certainly have piece of sh*t degrees unrelated to veterinary medicine/biomedical sciences, so worried about their unbelievably sh*tty "university" getting a vet school or not? If Dad wants to service West Texas, we'll mother f***ing serve West Texas.
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Ronnie Mund said:
Why are Tech dorks, that certainly have piece of sh*t degrees unrelated to veterinary medicine/biomedical sciences, so worried about their unbelievably sh*tty "university" getting a vet school or not? If Dad wants to service West Texas, we'll mother f***ing serve West Texas.
They're still as obsessed with Daddy A&M as ever and PISSED that not only did we finally get a law school despite their best efforts but that law school is already better than theirs.
This is their attempt at petty revenge and "stick it to us"
That Jay Leeson guy seems like a clown peddling his conspiracy theories.
There is a need for large animal vets in rural Texas.
That is NOT the same thing as needing a new vet school.
Vet schools, including A&M's operate at a great cost to the state and the institution. It makes far more sense, both practically and fiscally, to expand capacity and find ways to incentivize large animal vets in rural counties.
It would be cheaper for the state to forgive the debt of vet grads who fill these needed roles than it would be to sink money into a new school.
That is why no state has two, and why it would be ludicrous for Texas to have two. Politics being politics, I can't say for certain that Tech is going to lose on this. But if I were forced to wager on it, I'd put my money behind Texas A&M, John Sharp, and the Higher Ed Coordinating Board (which is critical, no new vet school can be accredited without them) over Texas Tech, the recently retiring Bob Duncan, and the Amarillo Economic Development Corp.
That is NOT the same thing as needing a new vet school.
Vet schools, including A&M's operate at a great cost to the state and the institution. It makes far more sense, both practically and fiscally, to expand capacity and find ways to incentivize large animal vets in rural counties.
It would be cheaper for the state to forgive the debt of vet grads who fill these needed roles than it would be to sink money into a new school.
That is why no state has two, and why it would be ludicrous for Texas to have two. Politics being politics, I can't say for certain that Tech is going to lose on this. But if I were forced to wager on it, I'd put my money behind Texas A&M, John Sharp, and the Higher Ed Coordinating Board (which is critical, no new vet school can be accredited without them) over Texas Tech, the recently retiring Bob Duncan, and the Amarillo Economic Development Corp.
So today they're blaming Abbot for getting rid of Duncan, when yesterday it was that mean old Aggie, Rick Perry.
http://www.amarillo.com/news/20180815/abbott-denies-rumors-of-involvement-in-texas-tech-chancellor-duncans-retirement/1
The five (of the nine) Tceh regents who wanted Duncan gone were 3 Abbot appointees, 2 Perry Appointees. The pro-Duncan group was 2-2 Abbot/Perry.
http://www.amarillo.com/news/20180815/abbott-denies-rumors-of-involvement-in-texas-tech-chancellor-duncans-retirement/1
The five (of the nine) Tceh regents who wanted Duncan gone were 3 Abbot appointees, 2 Perry Appointees. The pro-Duncan group was 2-2 Abbot/Perry.
I guess the Tech's think that if they go ahead and raise some money for this thing that they can BS the Lege and, more importantly, the THECB to approve this thing. I'm thinking not. Who are they going to get to come teach at an unacrredited school?
Frankly, I think that they don't have near the political clout to make this thing happen, by a long shot. First they were blaming Sharp and A&M for their Chancellor's "retirement", now it's the Governor. Anything to deflect the blame for tilting at this windmill from the folks that went along with it in the first place.
Frankly, I think that they don't have near the political clout to make this thing happen, by a long shot. First they were blaming Sharp and A&M for their Chancellor's "retirement", now it's the Governor. Anything to deflect the blame for tilting at this windmill from the folks that went along with it in the first place.
http://www.newschannel10.com/story/38890815/wtamu-veterinary-program-to-receive-part-of-grant-for-agriculture-programs
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WEST TEXAS A&M UNIVERSITY, TEXAS (KFDA) -
The expanding veterinary program at West Texas A&M University will be receiving a share of a $250,000 federal boost.
Texas A&M University announced Monday the U.S. Department of Agriculture grant to cover four years of program development in Canyon and College Station.
According to a news release, the money will go to seven programs, including summer working internships and recruitment of rural students.
https://www.feedstuffs.com/news/texas-universities-advance-separate-plans-panhandle-vet-programs
Texas universities advance separate plans for panhandle vet programs
Texas Tech regents approve establishing new school and degree plan, while Texas A&M earns grant to "revitalize" vet education in Texas panhandle.
Texas universities advance separate plans for panhandle vet programs
Texas Tech regents approve establishing new school and degree plan, while Texas A&M earns grant to "revitalize" vet education in Texas panhandle.
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The Texas A&M University System currently operates the Texas A&M College of Veterinary Medicine & Biomedical Sciences (CVM).
Meanwhile, the Texas A&M recently announced Aug. 13 that West Texas A&M University (WTAMU) and the Texas A&M Veterinary Education, Research & Outreach (VERO) Center received a four-year, $243,500 grant from the U.S. Department of Agriculture's National Institute of Food & Agriculture for the "Texas Panhandle & Plains Rural Veterinary Practice Revitalization" Program.
Project director Dee Griffin and co-director Dan Posey, both faculty of the Texas A&M College of Veterinary Medicine & Biomedical Sciences, relocated to WTAMU to establish the partnership between CVM and WTAMU in Canyon, Texas.
The grant funding will be used to support the development and initiation of seven veterinary-centered programs, including: (1) developing fourth-year veterinary student rural clinical training externships; (2) developing summer working internships for Texas A&M CVM veterinary students finishing their first or second years; (3) supporting CVM veterinary food animal student mentoring for all students interested in a food animal practice; (4) supporting an annual rural veterinary practice and livestock operations tour for selected third-year CVM veterinary students; (5) aggressively recruiting qualified students with rural backgrounds; (6) recruiting outstanding rural students from 4-H and FFA programs to consider a veterinary career, and (7) practicing sustainability workshops for Texas panhandle and plains rural veterinarians, which will include training for mentoring veterinary students and improved community communication skills.
Recognizing the need to revitalize veterinary service to animal agriculture in the panhandle and plains region's rural communities, the Texas A&M CVM created the VERO partnership with WTAMU.
"The revitalization of veterinary health care in the Texas panhandle and high plains regions has been on the agenda of west Texas citizens for some time," Dr. Eleanor M. Green, the Carl B. King dean of veterinary medicine at Texas A&M CVM, said. "Their concern has matched our recognition of the need to further support veterinary health care in the beef epicenter of the nation and in surrounding rural communities in a way that has the potential to be a national model."
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https://www.feedstuffs.com/news/texas-universities-advance-separate-plans-panhandle-vet-programs
Texas universities advance separate plans for panhandle vet programs
Texas Tech regents approve establishing new school and degree plan, while Texas A&M earns grant to "revitalize" vet education in Texas panhandle.Quote:
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The Texas A&M University System currently operates the Texas A&M College of Veterinary Medicine & Biomedical Sciences (CVM).
Meanwhile, the Texas A&M recently announced Aug. 13 that West Texas A&M University (WTAMU) and the Texas A&M Veterinary Education, Research & Outreach (VERO) Center received a four-year, $243,500 grant from the U.S. Department of Agriculture's National Institute of Food & Agriculture for the "Texas Panhandle & Plains Rural Veterinary Practice Revitalization" Program.
Project director Dee Griffin and co-director Dan Posey, both faculty of the Texas A&M College of Veterinary Medicine & Biomedical Sciences, relocated to WTAMU to establish the partnership between CVM and WTAMU in Canyon, Texas.
The grant funding will be used to support the development and initiation of seven veterinary-centered programs, including: (1) developing fourth-year veterinary student rural clinical training externships; (2) developing summer working internships for Texas A&M CVM veterinary students finishing their first or second years; (3) supporting CVM veterinary food animal student mentoring for all students interested in a food animal practice; (4) supporting an annual rural veterinary practice and livestock operations tour for selected third-year CVM veterinary students; (5) aggressively recruiting qualified students with rural backgrounds; (6) recruiting outstanding rural students from 4-H and FFA programs to consider a veterinary career, and (7) practicing sustainability workshops for Texas panhandle and plains rural veterinarians, which will include training for mentoring veterinary students and improved community communication skills.
Recognizing the need to revitalize veterinary service to animal agriculture in the panhandle and plains region's rural communities, the Texas A&M CVM created the VERO partnership with WTAMU.
"The revitalization of veterinary health care in the Texas panhandle and high plains regions has been on the agenda of west Texas citizens for some time," Dr. Eleanor M. Green, the Carl B. King dean of veterinary medicine at Texas A&M CVM, said. "Their concern has matched our recognition of the need to further support veterinary health care in the beef epicenter of the nation and in surrounding rural communities in a way that has the potential to be a national model."
This is the best outline for action that I have seen addressed in this whole thread. Simply placing a vet school in the country does not create future country vets, as already stated. As a rural vet practitioner I can give first hand knowledge to this. It takes a special kind of crazy to WANT to dig out dead calves, fight a nasty prolapse, palpate cows in 100' temp for any amount of money, much less a few chickens. The answer is...the old country vet, as we've known him/her is a dying creature but can be mitigated with targeted recruitment and development. The Tech plan never outlined this that I saw.
I suspect Tech plan is
1) accept whoever is willing to come here, including a lot of Tech students
2) have them spend all their rotations time working at various West Texas clinics because they aren't going to have a teaching hospital
3) focus mostly on feed animals
4) hope that enough of them end up working in West Texas that they can claim success
1) accept whoever is willing to come here, including a lot of Tech students
2) have them spend all their rotations time working at various West Texas clinics because they aren't going to have a teaching hospital
3) focus mostly on feed animals
4) hope that enough of them end up working in West Texas that they can claim success
Tech's plan all along has been to provide an avenue for the mind poisoned, the world ends at Roscoe Tech grads an easy entrance into the veterinarian world. And to cry politics is asinine when Duncan was vying for king of the hooking bull pen himself. The need has never been questioned, the delivery and kingdom building has
I suspect you're right.BiochemAg97 said:
I suspect Tech plan is
1) accept whoever is willing to come here, including a lot of Tech students
2) have them spend all their rotations time working at various West Texas clinics because they aren't going to have a teaching hospital
3) focus mostly on feed animals
4) hope that enough of them end up working in West Texas that they can claim success
"2) have them spend all their rotations time working at various West Texas clinics because they aren't going to have a teaching hospital "
This will only produce a half-ass vet. There is no way that the local clinics and consulting vets can adequately convey the volume of knowledge necessary for a competent vet. As an apprenticeship, absolutely! The classroom and a good, competently staffed teaching hospital is the most effective.
I hope you have shared your expertise and valuable knowledge to those who will listen. Your voice is a lot stronger than most, especially the elected ones and academics that are not out in the field.
That's huge $$. Maybe they will buy 5 new maroon F-150s with that money.
These apprenticeships? I'm presuming tech thinks the Aggie vets will choose tech vet school students over WTAMU students? Sheer folly
Bucketrunner said:
These apprenticeships? I'm presuming tech thinks the Aggie vets will choose tech vet school students over WTAMU students? Sheer folly
If Aggie vets choose one or the other strictly by school allegiance then they are lending credence to the Tech complaints.
How can tceh complain before they ever have any vet students/classes/etc?rockylarues said:Bucketrunner said:
These apprenticeships? I'm presuming tech thinks the Aggie vets will choose tech vet school students over WTAMU students? Sheer folly
If Aggie vets choose one or the other strictly by school allegiance then they are lending credence to the Tech complaints.
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