Texas Tech is moving forward with the vet school

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They want to treat their heifer's stds locally
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We need a steady supply of vets to tend to the needs of our women.
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http://www.lubbockonline.com/news/20180507/pieces-coming-together-texas-techs-amarillo-vet-school-concept-gaining-focus

Pieces 'coming together': Texas Tech's Amarillo vet school concept gaining focus
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The concept of Texas Tech establishing a veterinary school in Amarillo is beginning to come into greater focus, including its potential future location.

On Tuesday morning, the Amarillo Economic Development Corporation Board of Directors is expected to discuss and consider the amended Location Incentives Agreement between the Amarillo EDC, Texas Tech University and the Texas Tech University System as a means of moving the $90 million project forward.

The Mariposa Village Community Land Trust has donated the land for the Texas Tech School of Veterinary Medicine. Mary Emeny serves as the trust board's chairperson. In 1900, her grandfather, W.H. Bush, donated land for what became St. Anthony's Hospital.

Texas Tech University System Chancellor Robert Duncan said the land donation serves as a vital component in the process.

Duncan said securing funding to construct the facility and acquiring the programmatic costs - hopefully an annual allocation of $18 million yearly from the Legislature - would help create a vet school model that meets the needs of the industry and agriculture community and bodes well for the region's future.

"It is a four-year veterinary school of medicine," he said of the Texas Tech venue. "So (graduates) will have opportunities to go anywhere and do anything they want to do. In Calgary, they had an urban center surrounded by rural areas. The challenge was how to get kids in these positions to go work in the rural environment. Calgary developed a unique curriculum and Texas Tech is using that model. To do that, they are partnering with clinics, as well as industry in the area. The students will get classroom work here while also being offered the opportunity to go out much earlier in their veterinary career to work in the rural environments. Students will gain exposure to that much earlier in their career than is normally provided in vet school."
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Bound and determined to establish a second rate vet school. Are they hoping students stay out there if they're never given the opportunity to see east of I-35??

Never have understood why a vet school makes the tard hearts beat faster.
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Bucketrunner said:

Bound and determined to establish a second rate vet school. Are they hoping students stay out there if they're never given the opportunity to see east of I-35??

Never have understood why a vet school makes the tard hearts beat faster.


I doubt creating a second-rate anything bothers them. In fact, that's probably their typical stretch goal.
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Never have understood why a vet school makes the tard hearts beat faster.
Big brother has one.
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http://www.newschannel10.com/story/38142802/our-perspective-on-the-texas-tech-veterinarian-school-funding

Tuesday, May 8th 2018, 5:00 pm CDT
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Today there were votes taken and commitments made - $90 million in commitments in total.
That's right, the Texas Tech University Veterinarian School build out will cost $90 million, and that money is now funded through fundraising efforts pulling in money from the Panhandle and from communities as far as 250 miles away.

You may be asking why do we need this?

I asked the same question.
Here are a few points that make it obvious why this is a great investment in our community:
  • The Panhandle region is home to over three million head of cattle.
  • The job demand is high because the closest veterinarian schools to us placed 100 percent of their graduates last year. The only other Texas veterinarian school takes more than 600 applicants every year and selects 130 students. That leaves 470 either out, or they go off to school outside our area and we then struggle to recruit them back to serve our area.
  • Our region is in need of USDA animal health inspectors, large animal veterinarians to take the place of retiring veterinarians, and dairy farms are in constant need of trained veterinary professionals for their cattle.
I also asked about any duplication that may occur with West Texas A&M's new program. The WT program is a great cattle focused extension to the College Station A&M and has a great role in the community, but it will not be a duplication of service because the Texas Tech school will be a full graduate program with multiple animal disciplines.
Here is some research provided by the AEDC:
  • The Amarillo EDC proposes to fund up to $69 million to ensure the Texas Tech University School of Veterinary Medicine is constructed and operational in Amarillo, Texas. Along with private donations and other community support, the Amarillo EDC funds will act as a financial guarantee for this $90 million project.
  • Texas Tech is contractually obligated to continue fundraising efforts. This investment by the AEDC assures the vet school will happen while at the same time challenging industry and community partners to join in the success of making it happen.
  • The timing of Amarillo's investment before the legislative appropriations request will increase the momentum of private fundraising and hopefully assist the legislative funding request.
  • Funding for the project will come from the annual tax revenues (sales tax) recognized by the AEDC, and no bonds are currently planned to be issued for this project.
  • The estimated annual economic impact is $76 million annually to Amarillo, hence a complete return on investment in a short time-frame, dramatically impacting economy and education in Amarillo.
The money is being committed by private donors and the Amarillo Economic Development Corporation. This is what we hired the AEDC to do, and this is a low risk and high gain opportunity.
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http://www.newschannel10.com/story/38139134/city-of-amarillo-approves-aedc-pledge-of-up-to-69m-for-texas-tech-veterinary-school

Tuesday, May 8th 2018, 9:51 pm CDT

City of Amarillo approves AEDC pledge of up to $69M for Texas Tech veterinary school

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Plans for the Texas Tech University Veterinarian School in Amarillo have been underway since 2015, and today, various City of Amarillo entities are working to bring those plans closer to fruition.

The Amarillo Economic Development Corporation announced today that they will pledge up to $69 million to ensure the construction and operation of the veterinarian school. Including private funding and previous donations, these funds will act as a financial guarantee for the $90 million project.
Amarillo City Council approved up to $69 million in funding to ensure the construction and operation of the veterinarian school.

Including private funding and previous donations, these funds will act as a financial guarantee for the $90 million project.

The school will be located on the same campus as the pharmacy and medical schools.
"We're the only place in the nation now that will have all three of those on a single campus," said Jason Herrick, chairman of the Steering Committee of Amarillo Vet School. "To me, that means we're going to be on the forefront of research and development opportunities. It's really exciting about the types of businesses and the types of people we can get to our community."
"Both of those make a veterinary school perfect for the types of industry that is here," said Robert Duncan, Chancellor for Texas Tech University System. "This is the epicenter of the beef industry as well as now all the dairy industry is migrating to this region of the country."
By establishing these higher education programs, Texas Tech's vet program, as well as West Texas A&M, hope to meet the need in the area.

"I have a high level of confidence that one of our best partners will be West Texas A&M University," said Herrick. "Both for our students and for the opportunities to develop with faculty and for research opportunities that will come up between the two universities."
Before students begin Tech's three year program beginning in fall of 2021, fundraising efforts are expected to continue as well as action on the legislative level.

"The stars are aligning in a good way for us to have a strong argument with $90 million in funding for construction and say here's the need and here's why we should appropriate some money for operational funding," said Rep. Four Price, State Representative for District 87. "I'm looking forward to that opportunity"

The AEDC's payments will run through 2029 in over 10 installments.
This is the second largest project that the AEDC has been involved in.

The new school will be the 31st veterinary school in the country.
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Big swingin.....
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CanyonAg77 said:

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Never have understood why a vet school makes the tard hearts beat faster.
Big brother has one.


Seems big brother felt threatened...why?

Scrambling to throw **** together at WTAMU and fighting Tech the whole way.
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$69 million
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Andy Farmer said:

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DNever have understood why a vet school makes the tard hearts beat faster.
Big brother has one.


Seems big brother felt threatened...why?

Scrambling to throw **** together at WTAMU and fighting Tech the whole way.
Actually, A&M had the WT stuff planned for a while. They scheduled a public announcement of that fact. A&M chancellor Sharp called the Tech chancellor, as a courtesy, to give him a heads up. After all, WT is in Tech's back yard.

Tech is the one who then scrambled to beat A&M's announcement. They threw together a proposal, and held a press conference before A&Ms scheduled press conference.
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CanyonAg77 said:

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DNever have understood why a vet school makes the tard hearts beat faster.
Big brother has one.


Seems big brother felt threatened...why?

Scrambling to throw **** together at WTAMU and fighting Tech the whole way.
Actually, A&M had the WT stuff planned for a while. They scheduled a public announcement of that fact. A&M chancellor Sharp called the Tech chancellor, as a courtesy, to give him a heads up. After all, WT is in Tech's back yard.

Tech is the one who then scrambled to beat A&M's announcement. They threw together a proposal, and held a press conference before A&Ms scheduled press conference.


Tech has been trying for a vet school for some time (at least 2015 and prior, I think) and has received pushback from Sharp and A&M throughout much of that effort. I won't act like I know how long A&M has been planning the building at WTAMU, but its a curious step that Tech essentially gets the green light on a vet school and suddenly A&M makes an announcement of their own facilities in Canyon.

Has less to do w big brother syndrome and more to do with the need for large animal vets in an area swamped by cattle. Why should one school dominate the market?

A&M had no issues saturating the Legal market by taking over Wesleyan....
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CanyonAg77 said:

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Never have understood why a vet school makes the tard hearts beat faster.
Big brother has one.
Like putting your name on a law school.
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but its a curious step that Tech essentially gets the green light on a vet school
What green light?

The only one that matters is the higher education coordinating board. Which has not given a green light, and has repeatedly given it a red light in the past.
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Has less to do w big brother syndrome and more to do with the need for large animal vets in an area swamped by cattle
Okay. Exactly why should a little female vet (>50% of vet students are female) want to move to West Texas, and wrestle cattle for $100K a year, when they can have a 9-5 Monday through Thursday practice with puppies and kitties for $200K a year.

Your assertion seems to be that if you'll train them in West Texas/Panhandle, and they'll stay there. I asset that attitude is misguided, at best.
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A&M Chancellor John Sharp threw a not-so-subtle shot across the bow last week to set the stage for what lies ahead: "As a courtesy, last weekend I informed Chancellor Robert Duncan that the Texas A&M School of Veterinary Medicine would soon announce a presence in several Texas A&M System schools.

"In response, Mr. Duncan comes up with this long-rejected claim we should fund a vet school at Texas Tech. The Coordinating Board has specifically rejected the notion. The Legislature has rejected this for 40 years. We will proceed with our announcement as planned."

http://www.lubbockonline.com/article/20151212/NEWS/312129886
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Texas Tech will not pursue funding for a proposed school of veterinary medicine in Amarillo for the next two years, changing the status of the project Friday from "on pause" to halt as Tech leaders respond to Texas lawmakers' calls to tighten budgets statewide.

The Texas Tech University System Board of Regents' vote on the vet school came Friday after an executive session at the end of a two-day meeting in Tech's Student Union Building.

Regent Vice Chairman Tim Lancaster made the motion before adjourning the meeting around noon.
"I move that the board adopt the following resolution: Because of limited budget funds available to the state of Texas for the next biennium, for the two fiscal years ending August 31, 2018 and August 31, 2019, and because of the need to emphasize other funding priorities for the Texas Tech University System, it shall be the policy of the board of regents of the Texas Tech University System that the system shall not further pursue funding by the 85th legislature of the school of veterinary medicine," Lancaster said.

Regent Mickey Long seconded the motion and the board approved it unanimously with no further discussion.
Hmmm. This was written in March of 2017, and they said they wouldn't pursue a vet school for at least two years.

http://politics.blog.mystatesman.com/2017/03/03/in-battle-over-veterinary-school-texas-am-routs-texas-tech/
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From the responses here, it seems clear the good Ags in College Station are not feeling threatened at all, right? I mean it will be a second rate school in a remote location having to convince 100 pound females to stay local and wrestle cows just to keep the doors open. Given that, you don't mind if Tech tries, right? If it's no threat, is there a reason to try and prevent it?
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is there a reason to try and prevent it?

Waste of taxpayer dollars.
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CanyonAg77 said:

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is there a reason to try and prevent it?

Waste of taxpayer dollars.

The $90 million is not coming from taxpayers dollars. And whether or not any expenditures will be a waste depends on if it becomes sustainable, it will, and if it will be filling a need not currently met, again, it will.
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rockylarues said:

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is there a reason to try and prevent it?
Waste of taxpayer dollars.
The $90 million is not coming from taxpayers dollars. And whether or not any expenditures will be a waste depends on if it becomes sustainable, it will, and if it will be filling a need not currently met, again, it will.
Oh, I'm sure that all the buildings, salary, and operating expenses will come from unicorn farts and fairy dust.

Oh, no, wait. Your chancellor has already said he'll need $18,000,000 a year to keep it going. ANd we all know that government spending goes up over time.

And, by the way, there isn't $90m yet. That's what they say they need. They've already blown through $4m to "study" the school, and the Amarillo Economic Dev guys have already promised $15m of that $90m......that comes from taxpayer money.
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CanyonAg77 said:

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is there a reason to try and prevent it?
Waste of taxpayer dollars.
The $90 million is not coming from taxpayers dollars. And whether or not any expenditures will be a waste depends on if it becomes sustainable, it will, and if it will be filling a need not currently met, again, it will.
Oh, I'm sure that all the buildings, salary, and operating expenses will come from unicorn farts and fairy dust.

Oh, no, wait. Your chancellor has already said he'll need $18,000,000 a year to keep it going. ANd we all know that government spending goes up over time.

And, by the way, there isn't $90m yet. That's what they say they need. They've already blown through $4m to "study" the school, and the Amarillo Economic Dev guys have already promised $15m of that $90m......that comes from taxpayer money.

EDC money is different from typical tax dollars. It is raised differently, kept separately, and has different uses, mainly for bringing business to the city. The articles above state they expect this investment to pay off shortly. On top of that, Tech is contractually obligated to continue private fundraising to lower any investment the EDC would be making here. You are really bitter about a school having the audacity to operate a similar program hundreds of miles away from College Station. It's going to be a good thing for West Texas, Amarillo, Tech, and Texas, and the impact on A&M will likely be negligible, unless it's a pride thing.
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Amazing how you can discern motives from a few internet posts.

Nearly as amazing as how you think EDC money is not tax money, just because it is kept in a different pocket.
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Amazing how you can discern motives from a few internet posts.

Nearly as amazing as how you think EDC money is not tax money, just because it is kept in a different pocket.

Didn't say it's not tax money, said it's not raised the same, and it isn't. It's an optional amount of sales tax that cities are allowed to charge (within a range) and has completely different uses than what most people think of when they think of tax dollars that could be otherwise used for roads, schools, parks, etc. It's kept in a different pocket because it comes from a different source, has different permitted uses, and is controlled by different decision makers. It is not raised through property taxes, but by anyone doing business within the city, so it's not just the citizens. They are betting that this will generate enough new local revenue, which will result in new sales tax, and therefore offset initial outlays. And as mentioned before, Tech is obligated to continue private fundraising to minimize the amount the EDC contributes.

I ask again, what reason could you have against this? You called me out for assuming your motives, so I'll let you explain better now that we have any tax worries covered.
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but its a curious step that Tech essentially gets the green light on a vet school
What green light?

The only one that matters is the higher education coordinating board. Which has not given a green light, and has repeatedly given it a red light in the past.


Strange.

Better tell Tech to quit wasting their time then....
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A&M Chancellor John Sharp threw a not-so-subtle shot across the bow last week to set the stage for what lies ahead: "As a courtesy, last weekend I informed Chancellor Robert Duncan that the Texas A&M School of Veterinary Medicine would soon announce a presence in several Texas A&M System schools.

"In response, Mr. Duncan comes up with this long-rejected claim we should fund a vet school at Texas Tech. The Coordinating Board has specifically rejected the notion. The Legislature has rejected this for 40 years. We will proceed with our announcement as planned."

http://www.lubbockonline.com/article/20151212/NEWS/312129886
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Texas Tech will not pursue funding for a proposed school of veterinary medicine in Amarillo for the next two years, changing the status of the project Friday from "on pause" to halt as Tech leaders respond to Texas lawmakers' calls to tighten budgets statewide.

The Texas Tech University System Board of Regents' vote on the vet school came Friday after an executive session at the end of a two-day meeting in Tech's Student Union Building.

Regent Vice Chairman Tim Lancaster made the motion before adjourning the meeting around noon.
"I move that the board adopt the following resolution: Because of limited budget funds available to the state of Texas for the next biennium, for the two fiscal years ending August 31, 2018 and August 31, 2019, and because of the need to emphasize other funding priorities for the Texas Tech University System, it shall be the policy of the board of regents of the Texas Tech University System that the system shall not further pursue funding by the 85th legislature of the school of veterinary medicine," Lancaster said.

Regent Mickey Long seconded the motion and the board approved it unanimously with no further discussion.
Hmmm. This was written in March of 2017, and they said they wouldn't pursue a vet school for at least two years.

http://politics.blog.mystatesman.com/2017/03/03/in-battle-over-veterinary-school-texas-am-routs-texas-tech/



You realize in this same Statesman article that Governor Perry calls out the need for the large breed vet school despite what the Aggie Op Ed piece says? Aggie Governor Perry, no less.
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Andy Farmer said:

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but its a curious step that Tech essentially gets the green light on a vet school
What green light?

The only one that matters is the higher education coordinating board. Which has not given a green light, and has repeatedly given it a red light in the past.


Strange.

Better tell Tech to quit wasting their time then....

Did the coordinating board approve it and I missed it? You know, the group with the final say?
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I think tech is hoping they will spend/waste a lot of money, and the board won't want to leave them with egg on their faces.
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http://www.newschannel10.com/story/38139134/city-of-amarillo-approves-aedc-pledge-of-up-to-69m-for-texas-tech-veterinary-school

Tuesday, May 8th 2018, 9:51 pm CDT

City of Amarillo approves AEDC pledge of up to $69M for Texas Tech veterinary school

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Plans for the Texas Tech University Veterinarian School in Amarillo have been underway since 2015, and today, various City of Amarillo entities are working to bring those plans closer to fruition.

The Amarillo Economic Development Corporation announced today that they will pledge up to $69 million to ensure the construction and operation of the veterinarian school. Including private funding and previous donations, these funds will act as a financial guarantee for the $90 million project.
Amarillo City Council approved up to $69 million in funding to ensure the construction and operation of the veterinarian school.

Including private funding and previous donations, these funds will act as a financial guarantee for the $90 million project.

The school will be located on the same campus as the pharmacy and medical schools.
"We're the only place in the nation now that will have all three of those on a single campus," said Jason Herrick, chairman of the Steering Committee of Amarillo Vet School. "To me, that means we're going to be on the forefront of research and development opportunities. It's really exciting about the types of businesses and the types of people we can get to our community."
"Both of those make a veterinary school perfect for the types of industry that is here," said Robert Duncan, Chancellor for Texas Tech University System. "This is the epicenter of the beef industry as well as now all the dairy industry is migrating to this region of the country."
By establishing these higher education programs, Texas Tech's vet program, as well as West Texas A&M, hope to meet the need in the area.

"I have a high level of confidence that one of our best partners will be West Texas A&M University," said Herrick. "Both for our students and for the opportunities to develop with faculty and for research opportunities that will come up between the two universities."
Before students begin Tech's three year program beginning in fall of 2021, fundraising efforts are expected to continue as well as action on the legislative level.

"The stars are aligning in a good way for us to have a strong argument with $90 million in funding for construction and say here's the need and here's why we should appropriate some money for operational funding," said Rep. Four Price, State Representative for District 87. "I'm looking forward to that opportunity"

The AEDC's payments will run through 2029 in over 10 installments.
This is the second largest project that the AEDC has been involved in.

The new school will be the 31st veterinary school in the country.



Who gives 2 sheets of you have all three schools together? Two together make sense; I doubt research that fails humans is turned over to vets for then to experiment on.

And I haven't heard of a drug that works on both humans and animals the same.

When can we finally tell the tards to quit wasting tax dollars and be useful for a change.
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CanyonAg77 said:

Andy Farmer said:

CanyonAg77 said:

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but its a curious step that Tech essentially gets the green light on a vet school
What green light?

The only one that matters is the higher education coordinating board. Which has not given a green light, and has repeatedly given it a red light in the past.


Strange.

Better tell Tech to quit wasting their time then....

Did the coordinating board approve it and I missed it? You know, the group with the final say?


I highly doubt Tech is going to get the necessary funding and have THECB turn them down. Call it a hunch....
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Andy Farmer said:

CanyonAg77 said:

Andy Farmer said:

CanyonAg77 said:

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but its a curious step that Tech essentially gets the green light on a vet school
What green light?

The only one that matters is the higher education coordinating board. Which has not given a green light, and has repeatedly given it a red light in the past.


Strange.

Better tell Tech to quit wasting their time then....

Did the coordinating board approve it and I missed it? You know, the group with the final say?


I highly doubt Tech is going to get the necessary funding and have THECB turn them down. Call it a hunch....
All they have so far is $4m.

It wouldn't be the first time they were turned down.
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I'm curious how the TT program expects to be accredited?
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Aggie1 said:

accredited?


never heard of it.
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CanyonAg77 said:

Andy Farmer said:

CanyonAg77 said:

Andy Farmer said:

CanyonAg77 said:

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but its a curious step that Tech essentially gets the green light on a vet school
What green light?

The only one that matters is the higher education coordinating board. Which has not given a green light, and has repeatedly given it a red light in the past.


Strange.

Better tell Tech to quit wasting their time then....

Did the coordinating board approve it and I missed it? You know, the group with the final say?


I highly doubt Tech is going to get the necessary funding and have THECB turn them down. Call it a hunch....
All they have so far is $4m.

It wouldn't be the first time they were turned down.


Better talk to the Amarillo EDC that has proposed 69 mill in funding
 
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