LOL. Do you believe Tech opening a vet school in Amarillo will make A&M less competitive? This is about funding, not a concern over losing students.

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How dumb are you?

Competention to get into vet school is extremely intense. There will not be a shortage of applicants.

Or do you think the HEC will reduce class size at A&M to give spots to Tech? Take spots from a top 3 vet school to give to one that probably won't be accredited.

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Competition is intense because why? Lack of available schools?

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That's cute. Competition amount vet school applicants is about the number of slots vs the number of applicants. Just to spell it out for you, there are 2 ways to increase slots. Increase enrollment at an already established school or build a new school completely from scratch. Which one do you think is faster and more cost effective?

Given that A&M just completed the facilities upgrade they needed for a larger class size, A&M is likely to meet the needs identified by the HECB before tech even has the money to start building their vet school.

And yet, Tech will build it anyways. Just to spite A&M

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A&M has had plenty of opportunity to invest in Canyon and has failed to do so. Lots of promises, but all the money has gone to College Station.

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I guess you missed the $50 mil they're spending in Canyon with plans for more.

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Sharp looked to a planned $48 million Agricultural Sciences Complex at WT, which is set to largely be funded by tuition revenue bonds that are paid back by the state, as supporting a pipeline from the Texas Panhandle to College Station. Sharp also said the system planned on asking for more appropriations to further strengthen its partnership with regional universities.

Referring to the two plans, Sharp said, "The legislature is not going to fund them both."

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http://m.amarillo.com/news/latest-news/2016-08-24/texas-tech-details-vet-school-plan#

And this is why the legislature and coordinating board will not approve another vet school.

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Texas A&M University System is set to soon complete a $120 million veterinary teaching complex at its flagship College Station campus and begin an initiative that will see specialists sent to regional campuses to funnel students from those areas into its bolstered veterinary school. The system in January announced that West Texas A&M University would be a part of that initiative.

A&M brass has pointed to the recent Coordinating Board report as justification of its own efforts to expand. A similar report several years ago called for Texas A&M University to increase its vet school enrollment and recognize a need for more large-animal vets.

"The solution that the Coordinating Board asked for was followed by Texas A&M completely, and now the system schools are involved in it, too," A&M System Chancellor John Sharp said during a Monday meeting with the Amarillo Globe-News.

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http://m.amarillo.com/news/latest-news/2016-08-24/texas-tech-details-vet-school-plan#

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And this is why the legislature and coordinating board will not approve another vet school.

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Texas A&M University System is set to soon complete a $120 million veterinary teaching complex at its flagship College Station campus and begin an initiative that will see specialists sent to regional campuses to funnel students from those areas into its bolstered veterinary school. The system in January announced that West Texas A&M University would be a part of that initiative.

A&M brass has pointed to the recent Coordinating Board report as justification of its own efforts to expand. A similar report several years ago called for Texas A&M University to increase its vet school enrollment and recognize a need for more large-animal vets.

"The solution that the Coordinating Board asked for was followed by Texas A&M completely, and now the system schools are involved in it, too," A&M System Chancellor John Sharp said during a Monday meeting with the Amarillo Globe-News.

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http://m.amarillo.com/news/latest-news/2016-08-24/texas-tech-details-vet-school-plan#

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Get em Sharp!

Put em in a body bag!

Lolz. Dude is so butt hurt about Tech encroaching on A&M's vet turf.

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The best argument against the extra vet school isn't competition for referrals to teaching hospitals, it's that there are already far too many vets. The glut of animal doctors is such that salaries for veterinarians are so low that servicing the absurdly large student loans prevents them from ever being able to buy a house, start a family, or ever open their own practice.

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That "unnecessary" argument to quote Sharp can only be used by Aggies related to vet schools. Doesn't or didn't apply when A&M wanted to add a Public law school in the state. More lawyers is necessary if it adds to A&M's prestige or numbers.

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Notice that A&M didn't create a law school. They bought one. Going from X number of new graduates from Wesleyan Law to X number of new graduates from Texas A&M Law is not a increase in the number of new lawyers.


In contrast, going from 0 Tech vets to any number greater than 0 Tech vets is an increase in the number of new vets.

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I thought law school changed to public school when A&M purchased? Did Aggies request any public funding for new school? Or is any public money forthcoming from legislature to support this law school?

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The best argument against the extra vet school isn't competition for referrals to teaching hospitals, it's that there are already far too many vets. The glut of animal doctors is such that salaries for veterinarians are so low that servicing the absurdly large student loans prevents them from ever being able to buy a house, start a family, or ever open their own practice.

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That "unnecessary" argument to quote Sharp can only be used by Aggies related to vet schools. Doesn't or didn't apply when A&M wanted to add a Public law school in the state. More lawyers is necessary if it adds to A&M's prestige or numbers.

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Notice that A&M didn't create a law school. They bought one. Going from X number of new graduates from Wesleyan Law to X number of new graduates from Texas A&M Law is not a increase in the number of new lawyers.


In contrast, going from 0 Tech vets to any number greater than 0 Tech vets is an increase in the number of new vets.

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I thought law school changed to public school when A&M purchased? Did Aggies request any public funding for new school? Or is any public money forthcoming from legislature to support this law school?

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yes A&M changed it from a public law school to a private law school. But that only changes how much the students pay. FWIW, they dropped tuition about 15% in this fall, and did the 4 year tuition lock.

So yes, it added a public law school but removed a private law school. The key is that doesn't add up to more lawyers. So the statement about more lawyers being necessary if it add to A&Ms prestige or numbers is flawed, because A&M was able to add to the prestige and/or numbers without increasing the total number of law school students.

So, by analogy, if Tech wants to go out and buy a private vet school and ask to make it public, by all means go ahead, but that may be hard to find.

A&M was able to add to numbers and prestige by getting the Public to fund the law school. If a private individual wants to start a law school good luck, several have. I don't think State should be involved in propping up any more law schools. UNT is already there and was arguably not needed at all.

Maybe Tech will buy that private vet school and then get State to partially fund it. Cool?

http://www.newschannel10.com/story/33379159/wt-working-to-recruit-more-area-pre-vet-students

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West Texas A&M University's College of Agriculture and Natural Sciences is working to recruit more panhandle residents into its pre-vet program through a partnership with Texas A&M University's vet school.
The Texas A&M System is working to expand the reach of its vet program to its partner schools, starting first with WT.
This new partnership is intended to increase the number of rural veterinarians in the panhandle.
The newly established Memorandum of Agreement between WT and Texas A&M aims to pipeline students directly from Canyon to College Station for vet school.
The agreement between the 2 schools adds 5 spots to the next Texas A&M vet school class reserved specifically for WT students who show interest in rural vet medicine.
"We're embedded in the feed lots and the meat industry and the animal industry in the panhandle, and we have those resources that the A&M system has recognized," said Dr. Dean Hawkins, Dean of the College of Agriculture and Natural Sciences. "We're going to use them to the full advantage of the state of Texas."
The new vet staff will help all pre-vet students prepare for this program, as well as reach into the community to find more students who will want to come back and serve as veterinarians in the panhandle.
"If you recruit somebody from a certain area, the tendency is about 66% of them actually drift back toward their homes," said Dr. Dan Posey, one of two new veterinarians on WT's staff. "It's the family ties and community ties that do that."
Posey said about 30% of A&M's vet students serve rural populations, and he believes WT's partnership can help increase that number.
"Our job is to identify country kids that will go back to those rural communities and provide economic impact and stability to those small towns where a veterinarian is a big part of the community," said Hawkins.
A new 140,000 square foot agriculture building is breaking ground this Friday, and it is intended to help recruit these students.
The building will hold new classrooms, labs, offices, a state-of-the-art meat lab, and an arena with spectator seating for animal showing and evaluations.
Hawkins said the Texas A&M System has placed this new building at the top of its priority list, and it's set to open for the Fall 2018 semester.
The groundbreaking will take place Friday morning, October 14th, at 10:30 on campus for anyone interested in learning more.

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Just wait till those interested find out they can go back to west texas and make maybe $40,000 and on call at all hours + holidays along with their $100,000 debt...

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They can move to the suburbs and start out at $70k+ with normal hours with a much higher salary ceiling.

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Just wait till those interested find out they can go back to west texas and make maybe $40,000 and on call at all hours + holidays along with their $100,000 debt...

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They can move to the suburbs and start out at $70k+ with normal hours with a much higher salary ceiling.

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Lots of federal programs to write this off is serving under-served/rural areas. Assuming it's federally backed debt.

http://amarillo.com/news/latest-news/2016-10-14/wt-starts-work-48m-ag-complex

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West Texas A&M University celebrated the groundbreaking of a $48.1 million Agricultural Sciences Complex on Friday.
Called "the largest and most extensive construction project" on the WT campus in recent memory by WT President Walter V. Wendler, the nearly 160,000-square-foot complex will become the centerpiece of the school's agricultural sciences program and play a significant role in a veterinary partnership with Texas A&M University. It is slated for completion by fall 2018.
"Our aim at the Texas A&M System is to be nothing short of the most important resource for the agriculture industry in the Panhandle, period," Texas A&M University System Chancellor John Sharp told a crowd of community members, students, area dignitaries and elected officials that numbered in the hundreds.
Located east of Buffalo Sports Park, the complex includes a research laboratory, meat lab, classrooms, a multipurpose arena and office space that will allow for a doubling of agricultural sciences faculty.
Also featured is a pavilion for courses involving live animals and special events. The building will be named the Piehl-
Schaeffer Pavilion after the two families that gifted $1.5 million to the university.

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Kingsbury's office can be TBAT's "meat lab".

It's sad that Texas Tech has become the benchmark for Texas A&M when it used to be Texas, Michigan, Ohio State, UCLA, etc.

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Texas A&M University has hit a record-high fall enrollment of 66,426 students, school officials announced today.

Of that figure, 60,979 students are on the College Station campus.

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Damn that's a large number.

A&M U.S. News Rankings

2011 53
2012 58
2013 65
2014 69
2015 68
2016 70
2017 74

But hey, let's keep boasting about our academics.

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A&M U.S. News Rankings

2011 53
2012 58
2013 65
2014 69
2015 68
2016 70
2017 74

But hey, let's keep boasting about our academics.

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A magazine? Who really pays attention to a magazine no one under 40 reads? I wouldn't give them any weight when A&M was ranked higher in 2011 and I would give them an equal amount now. Employment after college and salary are the only way to weigh the value of a school's diploma. The job market grades universities this way, not a stupid magazine editorial board.

Is this a new rivalries poster?

https://www.texastribune.org/2016/12/07/texas-tech-places-its-plans-new-veterinary-school-/

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Texas Tech University's plans to open a veterinary school in Amarillo have been placed on hold for now, the school's governing system confirmed.

The staff of the Texas Higher Education Coordinating Board said in July that the state doesn't need another traditional veterinary school, arguing the cost would outweigh the benefits.

Now, the future seems uncertain. The Tech System Board of Regents will meet in mid-December and could provide more clarity for if, or how, the system should move forward. Meanwhile, the system is also working to develop a dental school in El Paso, which it hopes will open in 2020.

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I'm in Lubbock now and was listening to AM790 (local version of KTRH 740) and this afternoon, the on air announcer was discussing this topic, indicating that TAMU had "beaten Tech to the punch" and then admitted that Tech's effort to build the vet school was well intentioned, but "...underestimated the strength and pull that TAMU has in Texas."

This is a local guy mind you, talking on tt's sports flagship station.

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They are absolutely livid over on one of the major Tech boards about this.

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I'm in Lubbock now and was listening to AM790 (local version of KTRH 740) and this afternoon, the on air announcer was discussing this topic, indicating that TAMU had "beaten Tech to the punch" and then admitted that Tech's effort to build the vet school was well intentioned, but "...underestimated the strength and pull that TAMU has in Texas."

This is a local guy mind you, talking on tt's sports flagship station.

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They are absolutely livid over on one of the major Tech boards about this.

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Uh oh...House includes $5.75 mill for Tech Vet Medicine in its recommended budget.

Fahgots.

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Uh oh...House includes $5.75 mill for Tech Vet Medicine in its recommended budget.

Fahgots.

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Really, all of $5.75MM? So you will be using trailer homes on stilts for buildings?

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We are going to house it at a local vets office.

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Uh oh...House includes $5.75 mill for Tech Vet Medicine in its recommended budget.

Fahgots.

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Given the gov asked agencies to cut their proposed budgets by 4 percent, everyone is expecting this season to be more about cutting than adding. Seems like 5.75 mil for a non-existent vet school that the HECB is recommending against would be an easy cut, maybe in trade for not cutting something else that TT actually needs.

Believe I read that House budget proposal was significantly larger than the Senate proposal (something like $8 billion, IIRC). Guess we know what one of the sacrificial items will be when they get down to compromising the final version. Some panhandle clod hopper in the House will be able to tell his constituents that he tried.