***** Official Houston Astros 2019 Season Thread *****

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10:36p, 10/1/19
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Yeah, I don't know how you say it necessarily hit one before the other.... it's like that old DVD screen saver icon when it would finally hit exactly in the corner. I think whatever the call on the field is would stand there - no definitive evidence.

Either way, what a back-breaking error in RF there. Season-ender. If that guy was in a Boston or Yankee uniform, he would never be safe again. Thankfully it's just Milwaukee.
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10:51p, 10/1/19
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That's a prime example of why you have to win your division and not get stuck in that one game wild card round.
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In reply to spadilly • 10:55p, 10/1/19
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spadilly said:
That's a prime example of why you have to win your division and not get stuck in that one game wild card round.
Yep, exactly. Did anyone that watched that game actually feel like WAS was the better team? I didn't. I felt like they escaped with one.

Avoid that game at all costs.



And I'll say it again, DON'T COUNT ON YOUR CLOSER FOR 2 INNINGS. I don't know how many people need to learn this lesson the hard way. It's a different mentality coming in in the 8th, and Hader was not himself there. He's also been run into the ground lately, so MIL wasn't going to win against LAD anyway.
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In reply to agdaddy04 • 11:16p, 10/1/19
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agdaddy04 said:
AggiEE said:
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And THATS why you start Reddick in right field and not Tucker.


Why is that? Tucker is a better fielder than Josh

No, no he's not.


Exhibit A

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In reply to Buck Compton • 6:49a, 10/2/19
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I felt the same way that WAS escaped with one there. I wouldn't put it all on the RF because Hader was definitely off. Combination of both I guess. Crazy ending to a game though that just left me saying "wow"
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In reply to Buck Compton • 7:02a, 10/2/19
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Counsel is a moron. Guy make Dave Roberts look like a Mensa member.

What they're trying to do with relying on a BP heavily and the way they run through their BP arms won't work. It's fine over 162 when you can rest guys for a couple days but when it comes to these playoff series it just doesn't work.
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In reply to astros4545 • 7:02a, 10/2/19
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astros4545 said:
agdaddy04 said:
AggiEE said:
Prosperdick said:
And THATS why you start Reddick in right field and not Tucker.


Why is that? Tucker is a better fielder than Josh

No, no he's not.


Exhibit A

I don't really have a dog in this fight, but showing clips of his defense from years ago doesn't necessarily mean much now
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7:14a, 10/2/19
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That was 2014.
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In reply to Farmer1906 • 7:24a, 10/2/19
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That was 2014.
Yup because once you are in your 30's it's all downhill (FYI - he's three years younger than Verlander). Dude is only 32.
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In reply to Prosperdick • 7:28a, 10/2/19
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Farmer1906 said:
That was 2014.
Yup because once you are in your 30's it's all downhill (FYI - he's three years younger than Verlander). Dude is only 32.


I don't have any opinion on whether Reddick or Tucker is better fielder, but I'm really hoping that they don't put Verlander in the outfield this series.
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In reply to BMX Bandit • 7:34a, 10/2/19
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BMX Bandit said:
Prosperdick said:
Farmer1906 said:
That was 2014.
Yup because once you are in your 30's it's all downhill (FYI - he's three years younger than Verlander). Dude is only 32.


I don't have any opinion on whether Reddick or Tucker is better fielder, but I'm really hoping that they don't put Verlander in the outfield this series.
My point was Verlander is 35 and enjoying one of the best seasons of his career but hey, lets keep it to outfielders. I seem to recall Jim Edmonds terrorizing us in 2004 and costing us a trip to the World Series (I still can't believe he caught that laser by Ausmus). Jim was 34 at the time.
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7:35a, 10/2/19
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was there any substance to the Bregman is the favorite to win the MVP now?

I cant find it anywhere
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7:38a, 10/2/19
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My brother was at the Nats/Brew Crew game with his gf, he said it was absolutely awesome
Gig’em Aggies!
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In reply to Prosperdick • 7:39a, 10/2/19
So you switch from comparing our outfielders to a pitcher to comparing them to one of the greatest fielding outfielders of his generation?

I'm going to go out on a limb and say everyone here would take Jim Edmonds glove over either of our two guys

You've created a strawman of "he's in his 30s he can't play anymore " when no one has said anything like that.
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7:45a, 10/2/19
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I'll be glad when the games start so y'all can shut up about the Tucker/Reddick stuff.

Of course it probably won't end then either.
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In reply to JYDog90 • 7:47a, 10/2/19
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It'll never end.

Hell a conversation about a completely different game on the other side of the playoff bracket got panties in a wad and sparked the argument.
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7:53a, 10/2/19
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If Tucker doesn't make the roster, we won't have the daily debate about who to start. But every time Reddick makes an out, we'll definitely hear about it.
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7:55a, 10/2/19
Reddick is still a good (maybe better?) fielder but Tucker is faster and can cover more ground. Tucker is also a good fielder he was a CF in the minors and all of the scouting reports praise his defense.

As an outfielder, the primary thing that separates you from another OF is how much ground you can cover. Brantley is a perfect example of this. He was a GG caliber OF who once went an entire season without making an error of any sort and has a great arm...But at this point he doesn't have much range and won't lay out for balls. Is he a bad fielder? Not at all - he has great hands and a great arm. He just doesn't have good range anymore.

One reason we are so bad at eyeballing defense is that when a faster OF gets to a ball routinely that a slower OF wouldn't, we assume it's an empirically "routine play". Inversely if a slower guy lays out for a ball and makes a "great catch" that a faster guy would have made routinely we consider it a "great play". Anyway, I think they are both good defensive OF.

TL;DR:I don't think there's that much separation between them defensively that it should even be a consideration until a late & close situation.
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In reply to dshedd41 • 7:55a, 10/2/19
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dshedd14 said:
My brother was at the Nats/Brew Crew game with his gf, he said it was absolutely awesome

It's a great stadium and the environment inside the park was amazing when we went over July 4th weekend. I might have even posted on here about how the fans around us were talking about making the playoffs- I think I laughed... shows what I know.

Anyway, outside the stadium reminded me of MMP but without the freeway next door. Just not much going on in the neighborhood.
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In reply to JYDog90 • 8:08a, 10/2/19
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I'll be glad when the games start so y'all can shut up about the Tucker/Reddick stuff.

Of course it probably won't end then either.
I know what you mean, it's really annoying when people discuss Astros topics on the Astros thread.

I think you're on the right track by just complaining about it.
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In reply to Marvin • 8:19a, 10/2/19
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Marvin said:
dshedd14 said:
My brother was at the Nats/Brew Crew game with his gf, he said it was absolutely awesome

It's a great stadium and the environment inside the park was amazing when we went over July 4th weekend. I might have even posted on here about how the fans around us were talking about making the playoffs- I think I laughed... shows what I know.

Anyway, outside the stadium reminded me of MMP but without the freeway next door. Just not much going on in the neighborhood.
we play there July 4th weekend next season... I'm thinking about making that trip
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In reply to Harry Dunne • 9:20a, 10/2/19
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Harry Dunne said:
Reddick is still a good (maybe better?) fielder but Tucker is faster and can cover more ground. Tucker is also a good fielder he was a CF in the minors and all of the scouting reports praise his defense.

As an outfielder, the primary thing that separates you from another OF is how much ground you can cover. Brantley is a perfect example of this. He was a GG caliber OF who once went an entire season without making an error of any sort and has a great arm...But at this point he doesn't have much range and won't lay out for balls. Is he a bad fielder? Not at all - he has great hands and a great arm. He just doesn't have good range anymore.

One reason we are so bad at eyeballing defense is that when a faster OF gets to a ball routinely that a slower OF wouldn't, we assume it's an empirically "routine play". Inversely if a slower guy lays out for a ball and makes a "great catch" that a faster guy would have made routinely we consider it a "great play". Anyway, I think they are both good defensive OF.

TL;DR:I don't think there's that much separation between them defensively that it should even be a consideration until a late & close situation.


Just a point of order, but Tucker has played 5 games in CF since the close of the 2017 season. The organization seems to be focused on him as a corner outfielder.
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9:27a, 10/2/19
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Reddick. The savvy vet. Jim Edmonds. Experience. HE'S OVERPAID THO. Slumps. Hot streaks. Swings for the fences. Makes plays at the fences. Too old? Ask Bartolo Colon. Playoff struggles? (2017 ALDS GAME 4!). Spiderman. Rick Flair Drip... Woo.

Tucker. The kid. The prodigy. TED (need I say more!?). What a swing! Defense too. LOOK AT THE GD DEFENSIVE METRICS. Sample sizes. Sample Sizes!?!?!? Range. Length. Speed. Have you seen his swing tho!? Quality September. The future. Future. Mask off. Jumpman Jumpman Jumpman Jumpman Jumpman.
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9:32a, 10/2/19
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Man, I'm fired up about this postseason. That was an awesome game 1 last night. Can't wait for Friday.
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9:37a, 10/2/19
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last night was giving me anxiety.

I forget how tense each pitch of the playoffs is.

Mentally preparing for no sleep and or thoughts outside of the last game and the next game for the next month.

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In reply to Deluxe • 9:41a, 10/2/19
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Deluxe said:
Reddick. The savvy vet. Jim Edmonds. Experience. HE'S OVERPAID THO. Slumps. Hot streaks. Swings for the fences. Makes plays at the fences. Too old? Ask Bartolo Colon. Playoff struggles? (2017 ALDS GAME 4!). Spiderman. Rick Flair Drip... Woo.

Tucker. The kid. The prodigy. TED (need I say more!?). What a swing! Defense too. LOOK AT THE GD DEFENSIVE METRICS. Sample sizes. Sample Sizes!?!?!? Range. Length. Speed. Have you seen his swing tho!? Quality September. The future. Future. Mask off. Jumpman Jumpman Jumpman Jumpman Jumpman.
I like it!

But really? Jim Edmonds? Jim Edmonds would crush Josh offensively and defensively.
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In reply to gigemJTH12 • 9:41a, 10/2/19
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gigemJTH12 said:
last night was giving me anxiety.

I forget how tense each pitch of the playoffs is.

Mentally preparing for no sleep and or thoughts outside of the last game and the next game for the next month.

This. So much this!
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In reply to Farmer1906 • 9:43a, 10/2/19
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Haha I was referring to an earlier poster who compared him to Edmonds
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9:44a, 10/2/19
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It really kicked in when Hader was pitching the bottom of the 8th that this **** is for real. Obviously a different animal when its one game sudden death, but definitely a reminder that theres nothing quite like playoff baseball.

This is going to be hella-fun and nerve racking all at the same time.
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In reply to Andyzipp • 9:51a, 10/2/19
Tucker is definitely a corner OF at the MLB level, IIRC he has played RF a bit this season while Reddick played CF and that tells you where they stand in AJ's mind. The only point in mentioning it is that you don't play CF in the high minors if you are a liability in the OF.
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In reply to CFTXAG10 • 9:59a, 10/2/19
CFTXAG10 said:
It really kicked in when Hader was pitching the bottom of the 8th that this **** is for real. Obviously a different animal when its one game sudden death, but definitely a reminder that theres nothing quite like playoff baseball.

This is going to be hella-fun and nerve racking all at the same time.


So glad they pulled it out in 2017. Alleviates some of the anxiety watching these things now. Still want to win them all but a little less "don't Houston/Aggie this thing up" now that they were able to put one in the books.
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10:04a, 10/2/19
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I am in the market for tickets for Friday.

Not looking to buy right now though. They dropped quite a bit in the last day. I expect that to continue.

If you have any available though let me know and we may can work something out.
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