Balogun is back

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This has a lot of a good points.



The most interesting part of the red card saga isn't the ruling. It's how differently Americans and Europeans process the idea that they might have been wronged.

Europeans are fundamentally different from Americans in one particular way: they expect life to be aggravating and at times unfair. It's just a fact of moving through the world. I joke that in Europe, the customer is always wrong. You didn't read the fine print. The only pharmacy in town is closed every other Tuesday for three hours, and even if the times weren't posted, that's still your problem. Too bad if you want the bill, because the waiter's on his union-mandated half-hour smoke break, and you're just going to have to wait.

To quote the great Mark Knopfler: sometimes you're the windshield, sometimes you're the bug. There's something freeing in that. Things are less in your control, so there's less angst in managing your expectations.

In America, things couldn't be more different. We simply can't accept a wrong left unrighted.

The flight attendant sneezed handing you a drink on your one-hour flight? 15,000 frequent flyer miles. Didn't like your appetizer? A replacement is on the way, and the whole course comes off the bill. There's a reason our interstates are lined with trial lawyer billboards.

Europeans have turned complaining into a continental pastime with no expectation that the universe owes them a remedy for their grief. You gripe about the train being late, your friends nod solemnly and everyone goes back to their apro. In America, we launch a full-blown investigation of the train system, sue the government (and its contractors) that allowed for the tardiness and hold a Congressional hearing on the state of national infrastructure.

So to an objective observer, the red card shouldn't have happened, and VAR was a travesty. To Americans, our star player shouldn't be unfairly banned from a match we couldn't afford to lose for a card he so obviously didn't deserve.

Who cares that FIFA used a little-used reversal to fix it. Who cares that other people are mad about it. We. Were. Wronged. It was unjust. It must be corrected. We would accept nothing less.

Europeans waxing poetic about the sanctity of the game are, of course, talking about a governing body whose last tournament host was decided via confirmed cash bribes one that imposed dress codes on women, shrugged off widespread allegations of modern slavery and reconfigured the entire tournament calendar to suit the host country. Which is exactly the point. If you've made peace with all of that, at least enough to watch the tournament four years later, a probationary suspension isn't actually a scandal.

Maybe that's the real divide. Over millennia, Europeans have made peace with being the bug. Americans have never once considered it, and apparently, we're not about to start now.


And I don't agree with Robert Griffin about manythings, but this is interesting too.

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FIFA got it right by suspending Folarin Balogun's Red Card under Article 27.

Belgium's protesting the decision isn't about the integrity of the game. It's about getting an advantage over the USA.

If it was about the integrity of the game, they would be championing Balogun having his Red card suspended because it was improper use of the VAR system and not a Red card offense.

Where were the appeals when Cristiano Ronaldo got his 3 game red card ban suspended and reduced to a 1 game ban on a friendly so he could play this entire World Cup?

DR Congo and Uzbekistan didn't protest Cristiano Ronaldo eligibility to play.

They played Portugal at full strength.

If Belgium doesn't want to play now because FIFA made the right call and the USA has Folarin Balogun back in the lineup, then THAT'S WEAK.

They don't deserve to win.

Put the ball down and play.

Don't pick up your ball and go home.
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zag213004 said:

Pulisic should score 5 and thus end the discussion

I don't think Pulisic has scored in like 19 straight matches or something crazy
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He scored against Senegal in the US warm up match
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tysker said:

fig96 said:



HAHA. All of the Soccer Board regulars expected an influx of supporters, haters, newbs, and imposters. It happens every WC. We have done a good job over the years of keeping politics out of our discussions and policing ourselves. And the more soccer fans, the better, right?

But with this whole Balogun thing, it has flipped our handling of the board on its head. Not exactly the way we may have wanted it to go down but we'll get back to normal. Maybe...


Absoutely.

We'll be back to the usual traffic by the time Premier League preseason friendlies start.
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Official statement by FIFA. People are way over playing Trump's role in this.



JUST IN: FIFA President Gianni Infantino breaks silence, says decision to lift the suspension of USA's Folarin Balogun had nothing to do with President Trump's call.

Read his statement below:

"I have seen the public comments regarding the decision of the independent Fifa Disciplinary Committee related to the suspension of Folarin Balogun, and I would like to reiterate a fundamental principle of Fifa's governance.

Fifa's judicial bodies are independent. They operate autonomously, apply the Fifa Disciplinary Code, and decide cases based on the applicable regulations and the specific facts before them. Their independence is essential to the credibility and integrity of football, and this must always be respected.

Yes, I regularly discuss matters related to the Fifa World Cup with the President of the United States, and on this matter, I did receive a call from President Donald Trump, just as I receive calls from heads of state, government officials, football stakeholders and business executives from around the world on many different issues.

During our conversation, I explained that there was an ongoing legal process involving Fifa's independent judicial bodies and that the case would be decided in due course by the competent bodies. That is how Fifa's system works, and it is a principle that I will always uphold.

I read the decisions of the Fifa Disciplinary Committee when they are issued. Sometimes I am surprised by them. Sometimes I agree with them, and sometimes I disagree.

What I always do, however, is respect those decisions and the autonomy of the bodies that make them. Whether we personally like a decision or not is irrelevant. Respect for independent institutions and the rule of law is what protects the integrity of our competitions and the credibility of Fifa at all times."
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Timeline.



FULL timeline of the campaign to bring Balogun back, according to a half dozen U.S. government & soccer officials:
- Wednesday after U.S.-Bosnia match: Andrew Giuliani alerted Trump to the red card (Trump & Giuliani had been talking multiple times/week since start of World Cup and regularly before that.)
- Wed night: Giuliani, Lutnick and U.S. Soccer officials began activating on plans to challenge red card
- That kicked off 4 days of coordinated lobbying, legal maneuvering & diplomacy that stretched from Oval Office to Zurich
- On *Thursday* Trump dialed Gianni Infantino and asked abt FIFA's rules around the red card decision and grounds for suspension. (They've known each other for 8 yrs.)
- FIFA declined to confirm any specific discussions but reiterated to POLITICO that the decision to suspend the one-match ban was made by an independent disciplinary committee.
- As U.S. Soccer's legal team formally prepared & submitted its appeal to FIFA, Giuliani + Lutnick offered to make White House attorneys available to assist
- At the same time, Giuliani and Scott Goodwin a hedge-fund manager who had helped pay the salary of Mauricio Pochettino zeroed in on the officiating history of referee Raphael Claus
-Articles examining previous controversies involving Claus circulated among senior gov officials as they evaluated every argument that could bolster the appeal
- On FIFA side, Emilio Garca, who oversees the legal affairs of FIFA, advised Infantino on the available procedural options
- Garca + other FIFA officials worked to determine whether the circumstances of Balogun's tackle met the narrow standards that would allow the disciplinary decision to be revisited
- By Sunday, FIFA announced that Balogun's one-match suspension would be suspended
- FIFA insists that the decision was an independent one made by its 18-person disciplinary committee, but it would not say whether the decision was decided through a vote, and it has not published a report on the decision.
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It's a terrible look that taints our own tournament.

Bad calls are a part of sports. Everyone lawyering up when they happen is even worse.
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What's the point of having the biggest dick on the planet if you don't swing it around every now and again?
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amercer said:

It's a terrible look that taints our own tournament.

Bad calls are a part of sports. Everyone lawyering up when they happen is even worse.


It's only a terrible look if you're saddled with TDS. For the rest of the normies, and especially those that follow international soccer regularly, this is typical FIFA. No taint on the tournament. HTH
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amercer said:

It's a terrible look that taints our own tournament.

Bad calls are a part of sports. Everyone lawyering up when they happen is even worse.


Bad calls are one thing. Suspensions that put a guy out of the biggest event in his sport that only happens every 4 years is another. Who gives a **** how it looks? We are not the bad guy here. We spoke up for our player. Toughen up.
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Enrico Pallazzo said:

amercer said:

It's a terrible look that taints our own tournament.

Bad calls are a part of sports. Everyone lawyering up when they happen is even worse.


Bad calls are one thing. Suspensions that put a guy out of the biggest event in his sport that only happens every 4 years is another. Who gives a **** how it looks? We are not the bad guy here. Toughen up.


Meh. It wasn't a wrong call. I can say that with 20 years experience. Could it have been yellow? Yep. Could it have been red? Yep. It's a pretty orange foul. They went red. And red cards carry suspensions in every league in the world. Every player and team knows it. The player for England committed a red card foul last night and he's going to have to sit his match. Every other player sent off sat their games. It's part of the game.

This was political strong arm tactics. In the same way the Portuguese FA strong armed FIFA to wipe out Ronaldo's suspension. It looks bad.
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https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/jul/06/keir-starmer-intervened-oppose-fifa-plan-move-england-kick-off-time
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oh well, they'll get over it just like they stopped caring about the ronaldo suspension 7 months ago
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Lol former president of fifa is one to talk

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Now just to troll them with Eminem during warm ups
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Did crooked Sepp not see it WAS overturned by an independent committee? Dude should stfu
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Z3phyr said:

Lol former president of fifa is one to talk



What was the rules and evidence for Ronaldo, Caicedo and Otamendi?
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Z3phyr said:

Lol former president of fifa is one to talk




Wonder why his ban didn't come with a muzzle. Dude should not be talking. Ever. Especially when it comes to ethics and rules.
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Hat tip tamu allen
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Should have left it alone. Used the red card as motivation. From know on this team will be remembered as that red card team. It was a huge mistake letting him play.
 
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