Balogun is back

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I'm honestly somewhat shocked at how big of deal everybody is making of this. People are acting like this is one of the biggest sports scandals in history. It's insane.

Is FIFA corrupt? Absolutely. Should there is be a formal appeals process for a suspension along with transparancy on why a specific decision is made? Of course. The lack of either of those things lets everybody draw their own conclusions about what did or didn't happen.

I think a lot of this is about more than FIFA corruption or sports integrity. It's about hating Trump or the US due to politics. It's about hating that "maybe" one day the US won't just being a laughing stock at this sport.
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ccaggie05 said:

I'm honestly somewhat shocked at how big of deal everybody is making of this. People are acting like this is one of the biggest sports scandals in history. It's insane.

Is FIFA corrupt? Absolutely. Should there is be a formal appeals process for a suspension along with transparancy on why a specific decision is made? Of course. The lack of either of those things lets everybody draw their own conclusions about what did or didn't happen.

I think a lot of this is about more than FIFA corruption or sports integrity. It's about hating Trump or the US due to politics. It's about hating that "maybe" one day the US won't just being a laughing stock at this sport.

I'm not shocked, this is the SEC * 100000000 on a global scale, there is a lot of butt hurt to go around for the last 1500 years of history including wars, genocide, colonization , slavery, its got every story line you could want
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ccaggie05 said:

I'm honestly somewhat shocked at how big of deal everybody is making of this. People are acting like this is one of the biggest sports scandals in history. It's insane.

I'm not really on social media, so I'm not seeing too much of this.
But if it's UK-based media and a bunch of US-based soccer media tourists, then I assume they are just doing it for the clicks and salaciousness. It's about the headlines and hot takes, not about good-faith discussion of the situation and the sport.

There are enough stupid takes on these boards as it is
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They still mad.

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Bag said:

ccaggie05 said:

I'm honestly somewhat shocked at how big of deal everybody is making of this. People are acting like this is one of the biggest sports scandals in history. It's insane.

Is FIFA corrupt? Absolutely. Should there is be a formal appeals process for a suspension along with transparancy on why a specific decision is made? Of course. The lack of either of those things lets everybody draw their own conclusions about what did or didn't happen.

I think a lot of this is about more than FIFA corruption or sports integrity. It's about hating Trump or the US due to politics. It's about hating that "maybe" one day the US won't just being a laughing stock at this sport.

I'm not shocked, this is the SEC * 100000000 on a global scale, there is a lot of butt hurt to go around for the last 1500 years of history including wars, genocide, colonization , slavery, its got every story line you could want


I don't know about all of that exactly, but yeah, this being a ginormous global story isn't shocking at all
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Ha. Called it and got my wish for Trump to reach out and touch someone on this.
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It's simply a way of encapsulating hate and resentment toward the United States. Soccer has always been a rest of the world versus America thing. Now that we have flexed a little, the globalists are panicking. I'm not surprised by the backlash because it's fear on full display.
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Little Rock Ag said:

It's simply a way of encapsulating hate and resentment toward the United States. Soccer has always been a rest of the world versus America thing. Now that we have flexed a little, the globalists are panicking. I'm not surprised by the backlash because it's fear on full display.


Pretty much. The global gnashing of teeth that will be on display if we win today will be delicious. Conversely, if we lose, the world will celebrate.
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Little Rock Ag said:

It's simply a way of encapsulating hate and resentment toward the United States. Soccer has always been a rest of the world versus America thing. Now that we have flexed a little, the globalists are panicking. I'm not surprised by the backlash because it's fear on full display.

I have lots of friends all over the globe, the benefit of a long career in oil and gas and i don't get that feeling at all. If anything they have all been waiting for the US to catch up so we can all be on the same footing. The US has largely been an after thought, irrelevant. It wasnt the rest of the world vs the US, it was as if the rest of the world playing at recess and the US was stuck inside in detention
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I don't think its fear of the USMNT. None of these big teams should be scared of the USA on the pitch. People are pissed 100% because the US government and specifically Trump got involved and got a result changed that everyone said couldn't be done. It looks like corruption and collusion of the highest order at the biggest sporting event in the world.

That's why people are upset. Again, there would be far less backlash if 1)FIFA had reversed the decision the day after the match and 2) if was simply stated that USSF appealed the red card and won because VAR was wrongly implemented.

As it is right now, it looks like the US gov. simply strong arming FIFA into getting what they want.
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wangus12 said:

I don't think its fear of the USMNT. None of these big teams should be scared of the USA on the pitch. People are pissed 100% because the US government and specifically Trump got involved and got a result changed that everyone said couldn't be done. It looks like corruption and collusion of the highest order at the biggest sporting event in the world.

That's why people are upset. Again, there would be far less backlash if 1)FIFA had reversed the decision the day after the match and 2) if was simply stated that USSF appealed the red card and won because VAR was wrongly implemented.

As it is right now, it looks like the US gov. simply strong arming FIFA into getting what they want.

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Aston94 said:

FIFA is absolutely the most corrupt body in the world…followed closely by UEFA. So a player not having to sit an extra game because of an obviously terrible call is the "red line"? Not the 15,000 people who died making stadiums for WC 2022, not all the bribes and kick backs taken by soccer officials over the years, not CR7 getting the same treatment for this WC, this is the red line?

FIFA needs a formal appeal process for red cards, but because they don't have one it leads to crap like this.


If ANYONE but Trump had a hand in this, it gets a tenth of the play it's currently generating. But because Trump had a call with Infantino, the TDS crowd is absolutely raging. There was an article in the WSJ this morning on it and it goes as you would imagine.

Personally I'm loving it. As someone earlier posted, USA is a proper footballing nation now!
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carl spacklers hat said:

Aston94 said:

FIFA is absolutely the most corrupt body in the world…followed closely by UEFA. So a player not having to sit an extra game because of an obviously terrible call is the "red line"? Not the 15,000 people who died making stadiums for WC 2022, not all the bribes and kick backs taken by soccer officials over the years, not CR7 getting the same treatment for this WC, this is the red line?

FIFA needs a formal appeal process for red cards, but because they don't have one it leads to crap like this.


If ANYONE but Trump had a hand in this, it gets a tenth of the play it's currently generating. But because Trump had a call with Infantino, the TDS crowd is absolutely raging. There was an article in the WSJ this morning on it and it goes as you would imagine.

Personally I'm loving it. As someone earlier posted, USA is a proper footballing nation now!

disagree, I am fine with him applying pressure in the background it was a terrible call, but good lord, read the room, dont tweet about it and make it about yourself.
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Bag said:

Little Rock Ag said:

It's simply a way of encapsulating hate and resentment toward the United States. Soccer has always been a rest of the world versus America thing. Now that we have flexed a little, the globalists are panicking. I'm not surprised by the backlash because it's fear on full display.

I have lots of friends all over the globe, the benefit of a long career in oil and gas and i don't get that feeling at all. If anything they have all been waiting for the US to catch up so we can all be on the same footing. The US has largely been an after thought, irrelevant. It wasnt the rest of the world vs the US, it was as if the rest of the world playing at recess and the US was stuck inside in detention


Yeah. So much of the rest of the world lives and breathes this sport while also hating FIFA as much as anyone in the US or on this board. Is the United States element part of it? Perhaps, but FIFA making this into a big boondoggle from the moment Balogun's cleat made contact in a World Cup knockout game was always going to cause a mess no matter who was playing
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And really the reverse is true… the US wasn't merely non-soccer, we were largely anti-soccer (and many still are based on comments I've heard in some sports bars in the past couple weeks).

I grew up making fun of the sport and never watched a game until WC 2010. Now it's my favorite sport (and has grown to be the favorite sport of 10% of the US, according to Sports Illustrated, ahead of baseball).
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wangus12 said:

I don't think its fear of the USMNT. None of these big teams should be scared of the USA on the pitch. People are pissed 100% because the US government and specifically Trump got involved and got a result changed that everyone said couldn't be done. It looks like corruption and collusion of the highest order at the biggest sporting event in the world.

That's why people are upset. Again, there would be far less backlash if 1)FIFA had reversed the decision the day after the match and 2) if was simply stated that USSF appealed the red card and won because VAR was wrongly implemented.

As it is right now, it looks like the US gov. simply strong arming FIFA into getting what they want.


So, SOP for FIFA then. Qatar literally bought their WC host.

And the guy that facilitated and benefited from that then saying this is about the most ironic horse**** I've ever read.

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We even got the comedy of the dubiously banned-from-soccer ex-FIFA boss Sepp Blatter soliloquizing about the integrity of his former employer.

"Quo vadis, FIFA?" Blatter wrote on social media. "Football must never become a playground for political power.
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deadbq03 said:

And really the reverse is true… the US wasn't merely non-soccer, we were largely anti-soccer (and many still are based on comments I've heard in some sports bars in the past couple weeks).

I grew up making fun of the sport and never watched a game until WC 2010. Now it's my favorite sport (and has grown to be the favorite sport of 10% of the US, according to Sports Illustrated, ahead of baseball).

I think i am somewhere in between i am luke warm on soccer, I can never imagine watching a MLS game, but I am all in on the world cup, hands down the greatest sporting event in the world and its obviously not close
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World Cup history is littered with advantages given to host countries, most infamously when Mussolini used the 1934 games as a pure propaganda tool.

England had the "Ghost Goal" in 66.

Argentina in 78 was notoriously corrupt throughout the games.
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Bag said:

annie88 said:

Bag said:

Enrico Pallazzo said:

It was a bull**** suspension. Anyone with an ounce of belief in fair sport would support it being lifted. Any debate beyond that is just a circle jerk. Go outside or something.


That was not the point, of course it was a terrible call, I just would have preferred to beat them wo him which we are absolutely capable of.

And I don't like the narrative that we need daddy to come to our rescue

He didn't. Your beef should've been more with the ****ty call. Your beef should be with FIFA.


****ty calls happen all the time in every sport, domt remember needing to get the leader of the free world involved


You're extremely dense if you don't think other countrys' political figures aren't influencing FIFA. US just stepped up to the big boy table, took a seat at the head of it and got done what needed to be done - rectifying an error made during the match. Anyone *****ing about that is either ignorant of the way soccer works or has an ulterior motive influencing their argument.
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Bag said:

carl spacklers hat said:

Aston94 said:

FIFA is absolutely the most corrupt body in the world…followed closely by UEFA. So a player not having to sit an extra game because of an obviously terrible call is the "red line"? Not the 15,000 people who died making stadiums for WC 2022, not all the bribes and kick backs taken by soccer officials over the years, not CR7 getting the same treatment for this WC, this is the red line?

FIFA needs a formal appeal process for red cards, but because they don't have one it leads to crap like this.


If ANYONE but Trump had a hand in this, it gets a tenth of the play it's currently generating. But because Trump had a call with Infantino, the TDS crowd is absolutely raging. There was an article in the WSJ this morning on it and it goes as you would imagine.

Personally I'm loving it. As someone earlier posted, USA is a proper footballing nation now!

disagree, I am fine with him applying pressure in the background it was a terrible call, but good lord, read the room, dont tweet about it and make it about yourself.



Did I miss a tweet? Most I saw was Trump admitting he asked for a review. I don't see any chest thumping that he overruled the suspension.

The pearl clutching over what anyone outside our borders thinks is hilarious.
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Trump needs to stop talking about this to the public. The more he yaps the more corrupt it sounds. Dude is literally bragging about his personal call to the FIFA president
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carl spacklers hat said:

Bag said:

annie88 said:

Bag said:

Enrico Pallazzo said:

It was a bull**** suspension. Anyone with an ounce of belief in fair sport would support it being lifted. Any debate beyond that is just a circle jerk. Go outside or something.


That was not the point, of course it was a terrible call, I just would have preferred to beat them wo him which we are absolutely capable of.

And I don't like the narrative that we need daddy to come to our rescue

He didn't. Your beef should've been more with the ****ty call. Your beef should be with FIFA.


****ty calls happen all the time in every sport, domt remember needing to get the leader of the free world involved


You're extremely dense if you don't think other countrys' political figures aren't influencing FIFA. US just stepped up to the big boy table, took a seat at the head of it and got done what needed to be done - rectifying an error made during the match. Anyone *****ing about that is either ignorant of the way soccer works or has an ulterior motive influencing their argument.


Ironic post is ironic.

call me ignorant because I disagree with you, just know that I am able to spell countries correctly
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At this point I would be happy with a 4-0 win with Balogun not having much of an impact at all so people cannot legitimately use this to overshadow success otherwise. If it is a 2-1 game with him scoring the game winner late people are going to flip out even more than they have been already.
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rsf0626 said:

Trump needs to stop talking about this to the public. The more he yaps the more corrupt it sounds. Dude is literally bragging about his personal call to the FIFA president

Ya this whole thing was essentially "anonymous sources" and media influencers talking **** with no evidence.
But Trump being Trump can't help himself from taking credit for any good thing that happens.
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that's kind of my take, I would have much preferred to beat them wo him, which I believe we were still favored to do.

that would have been a great story line.
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Infantino should not have taken the call. Or, at a minimum deferred calls 2 and 3 and whatever else. It would have been obvious from the caller ID what was coming and there is no special knowledge of this issue within the Oval Office. No good was to come of that.

But Infantino cannot help himself as he took this job for the precise reason that he gets calls from such folks.
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I don't understand the commentators on ESPN FC. I watched each of them to a person indicate they thought the red card was not the correct call, but also every one of them saying that FIFA should stand by the decision. Why do they think they stand by a decision if they believe it's incorrect? The red card against England last night was a textbook example of a true red card offense. What Messi did in Argentina's first game should have been a red card and didn't even draw a yellow. Why is the correcting of a bad call so offensive to these people?
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TXAggie2011 said:

Infantino should not have taken the call. Or, at a minimum deferred calls 2 and 3 and whatever else. It would have been obvious from the caller ID what was coming and there is no special knowledge of this issue within the Oval Office. No good was to come of that.

But Infantino cannot help himself as he took this job for the precise reason that he gets calls from such folks.


Are you that naive that you don't think fifa leaders take calls from leaders of soccer federations and countries with regularity?

Qatar was using slave labor to build stadiums and people are crying about Trump. What a bunch of pansies.
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Max Power said:

I don't understand the commentators on ESPN FC. I watched each of them to a person indicate they thought the red card was not the correct call, but also every one of them saying that FIFA should stand by the decision. Why do they think they stand by a decision if they believe it's incorrect? The red card against England last night was a textbook example of a true red card offense. What Messi did in Argentina's first game should have been a red card and didn't even draw a yellow. Why is the correcting of a bad call so offensive to these people?

I honestly thought the call last night was bad as well, the ball kicked his leg / spikes up, they bounced off the ball as he slid.
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TXAggie2011 said:

Infantino should not have taken the call. Or, at a minimum deferred calls 2 and 3 and whatever else. It would have been obvious from the caller ID what was coming and there is no special knowledge of this issue within the Oval Office. No good was to come of that.

But Infantino cannot help himself as he took this job for the precise reason that he gets calls from such folks.


If you are hosting the largest global event within a country and the country's president calls you, you take the call.
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TXAggie2011 said:

Infantino should not have taken the call. Or, at a minimum deferred calls 2 and 3 and whatever else. It would have been obvious from the caller ID what was coming and there is no special knowledge of this issue within the Oval Office. No good was to come of that.

But Infantino cannot help himself as he took this job for the precise reason that he gets calls from such folks.


Are you that naive that you don't think fifa leaders take calls from leaders of soccer federations and countries with regularity?

Qatar was using slave labor to build stadiums and people are crying about Trump. What a bunch of pansies.



You obviously missed my point.

Strong edit to suggest I'm a pansy. Go back to that other board if you're just here to talk crap
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Bag said:

that's kind of my take, I would have much preferred to beat them wo him, which I believe we were still favored to do.

that would have been a great story line.


I would prefer to have every possible advantage that we can get. I want our best players out there. I want their best players not out there. I want to win.
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Aston94 said:

TXAggie2011 said:

Infantino should not have taken the call. Or, at a minimum deferred calls 2 and 3 and whatever else. It would have been obvious from the caller ID what was coming and there is no special knowledge of this issue within the Oval Office. No good was to come of that.

But Infantino cannot help himself as he took this job for the precise reason that he gets calls from such folks.


If you are hosting the largest global event within a country and the country's president calls you, you take the call.


Sure. But like I said, don't take the second and third calls. Actual engagement about the issue was the mistake. No good was to come out of that.
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Vitani said:

At this point I would be happy with a 4-0 win with Balogun not having much of an impact at all so people cannot legitimately use this to overshadow success otherwise. If it is a 2-1 game with him scoring the game winner late people are going to flip out even more than they have been already.


<50 yo me would have agreed with you.

The current >50 yo me stopped giving a damn what a bunch of European wankers think. It's been a liberating change in personal philosophy.
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