No. The two yellows were seconds apart. The first was handed and then our player made it maybe 15 yards before the second came out.
He's originally from DFW. Born and raised but he's NZ-descent. He lives in NZ now and has a FIFA badge, but he'll readily admit he's filling a spot on the NZ FIFA list. He's no more than a Regional level referee if he's in the USSF referee program. He's been my AR many times when he was in HS in NTX.bigjag19 said:
I did see a young guy from New Zealand had a few important Dallas Cup games.
The NFHS rules are written for HS students. As @Mathguy mentioned, the whole "extension of the classroom" phrase is something referees here a lot in trainings and even up to the Regional and State tournament levels. (I've officiated at both). So, in the school setting, if there's a fight then both kids get suspended. It doesn't matter who started or who got it worse, they both get suspended. That's the rule and that's how it's enforced because it's a learning process. HS Soccer says any kid with a yellow gets subbed off and it's enforced equally. It's not really up to the referee to agree or disagree with the enforcement of the process.Rudyjax said:Mathguy64 said:I deal with 40 different referees (of various abilities) and countess coaches (many of whom know less than nothing about the details of the NFHS rule book). Easy is sometimes good. This HS rule keeps things consistent. Its hard enough getting every referee to follow what they are supposed to follow. Hell every couple of years some bozo gives a soft red card because they vaguely remember that from the past. Its taken 3 years to get them all to do dropped balls instead of IFKs on injuries. Then factor in the IFAB versus NFHS differences and getting refs to keep that straight. If they had to make some go and let some stay it would be a nightmare of inconsistencies all over the place. Is that really what you want?Rudyjax said:I get all that...Mathguy64 said:
I knew what you were getting at. It's the rule in HS. It's not a question of like or dislike.
It does make it easier to follow. Every yellow goes out. Having refs justify or distinguish SPA from UB and getting coaches who don't know the difference to understand is probably asking a LOT.
Then add in playing advantage on SPA wipes out coming back to issue a card where as you can come back to UB later.
Just keep it simple. You get a yellow, you start walking.
So you like it because it makes it easier for you. Got it. Wrong emoji.
Got it. That was more than I asked for but it makes perfect sense.
Thank you.
You don't agree or disagree with rules?jessexy said:The NFHS rules are written for HS students. As @Mathguy mentioned, the whole "extension of the classroom" phrase is something referees here a lot in trainings and even up to the Regional and State tournament levels. (I've officiated at both). So, in the school setting, if there's a fight then both kids get suspended. It doesn't matter who started or who got it worse, they both get suspended. That's the rule and that's how it's enforced because it's a learning process. HS Soccer says any kid with a yellow gets subbed off and it's enforced equally. It's not really up to the referee to agree or disagree with the enforcement of the process.Rudyjax said:Mathguy64 said:I deal with 40 different referees (of various abilities) and countess coaches (many of whom know less than nothing about the details of the NFHS rule book). Easy is sometimes good. This HS rule keeps things consistent. Its hard enough getting every referee to follow what they are supposed to follow. Hell every couple of years some bozo gives a soft red card because they vaguely remember that from the past. Its taken 3 years to get them all to do dropped balls instead of IFKs on injuries. Then factor in the IFAB versus NFHS differences and getting refs to keep that straight. If they had to make some go and let some stay it would be a nightmare of inconsistencies all over the place. Is that really what you want?Rudyjax said:I get all that...Mathguy64 said:
I knew what you were getting at. It's the rule in HS. It's not a question of like or dislike.
It does make it easier to follow. Every yellow goes out. Having refs justify or distinguish SPA from UB and getting coaches who don't know the difference to understand is probably asking a LOT.
Then add in playing advantage on SPA wipes out coming back to issue a card where as you can come back to UB later.
Just keep it simple. You get a yellow, you start walking.
So you like it because it makes it easier for you. Got it. Wrong emoji.
Got it. That was more than I asked for but it makes perfect sense.
Thank you.
Sounds like someone over-officiated the game. Who knows. These playoff games end up with some odd referee assignments because there's coin flips involved in who picks the stadium and/or which chapter the referee's come from. I can validate a couple things for you:Jim01 said:
That was WILD.
Final score PNG 3 - Friendswood 0
For some reference, I talked to a seniors dad and he said we haven't had a red card in the four years his daughter's been on the team. Also, for the entire year I believe we had three yellow cards. One for our attacking mid being mouthy (which she can be), one for an aggressive tackle, and I want to say one more.
This game? Finished with 2 reds and about 6-7 yellows. In a game that wasn't physical AT ALL. I mean that doesn't just magically happen.
It started with our attacking mid getting a yellow for hard contact behind the play about 5 minutes into the game. She tends to be overly physical, but personally 5 min in I would expect a simple "watch it #2" from the ref. Didn't even seem long enough to work her way up to a yellow.
Then the aforementioned red. After talking to my daughter she said the ref specifically says "I'm not going to tolerate any cussing." Then apparently what happened was that an PNG player was really playing mind games saying things like "You suck! You can't punt! You couldn't top a ball to save your life!" Then our goalie snapped and yelled at her to "STFU!" twice. Again, I don't care if you outright gave the players a zero tolerance ultimatum about cussing. These are competitive and hormonal teenagers. To go straight red for one cuss word is wild. If it was a slur of some kind? Absolutely! If it was directed at the ref? Absolutely! But directed towards another player after being badgered? You completely have changed the entire game with that red!
It was 0-2 at half and then we got the wind and started to make some chances. Continued to get a few yellows for hard fouls. It just seemed there was no in between. It was either a no call or a yellow. There were probably as many yellows as regular fouls all game.
The second red was after a debatable foul call (but by no means a bad call). One of our players said "learn how to do your job" to the ref. Very deserved yellow. But then as she walks off the field the ref follows her and she says it again. Boom! Second yellow into a red. The issue is that the ref did this all game. Call a foul, give a card, and walk away! She constantly followed directly behind players. Yes the player should have controlled herself better but again, these are teenagers. De-escalate. Give the card and walk away! Give the player a chance to cool off!
At that point it was still only 0-2 but the wheels were off. Parents were going nuts. One set of parents got kicked out of the game. The funny thing is their daughter didn't even see the field the entire game. Then another parent (whose kid is on JV!) and who is a sideline photographer started asking the linesman questions while one of our girls was down hurt and play was dead. The ref noticed, came over and ejected him.
Overall just a sad end to the season. PNG was better but with a ref that just let them play it would have been a really fun second half.
On the upside my daughter had a great game and basically shut down the left side. She also kept her cool the entire game and was more so pissed at her teammates for losing control of their emotions. She told me when the second red card went down multiple players were in tears and she got pissed and said "Stop talking, pick up your head and mark someone!" That made me proud to see that leadership come out of her.
Was really hoping for a rematch with A&M Consolidated. It it looks like it was neither of our nights.
I had the whistle on Allen v Flower Mound boys last night.Rudyjax said:
Down goes Allen from another Flower Mound school.
Girls were ranked #2 going into playoffs and Boys #1.
Looks like Region 1 Propser #2 in the state and Flower Mound #1 in state meet up against 2 El Paso schools.
Proper and Flower Mound are closer to Tuscaloosa than El Paso.
Sweet...my daughters whatever he is scored the second goal.jessexy said:I had the whistle on Allen v Flower Mound boys last night.Rudyjax said:
Down goes Allen from another Flower Mound school.
Girls were ranked #2 going into playoffs and Boys #1.
Looks like Region 1 Propser #2 in the state and Flower Mound #1 in state meet up against 2 El Paso schools.
Proper and Flower Mound are closer to Tuscaloosa than El Paso.
Well, you might be right on the NFHS rules. Which i haven't learned yet.bigjag19 said:
No rule against it!
Quote:
Each goalkeeper must wear colours that are distinguishable from the other players and the match officials
Rudyjax said:Well, you might be right on the NFHS rules. Which i haven't learned yet.bigjag19 said:
No rule against it!
Law 4 in IFAB clearly statesQuote:
Each goalkeeper must wear colours that are distinguishable from the other players and the match officials
Nope. Calvin is my guy. He was here last year for DC. My memory just jammed together.bigjag19 said:
I'm not certain we are talking about the same kid.
Dom?
Quote:
- Taunting in HS soccer is a straight red card. No questions asked. It's written in the NFHS rules that way. Calling someone a ***** is taunting, no matter if provoked into it or not. The referee does not control a player's (read: student's) actions or emotions. So, if the GK said it and it was heard by an official on the field, there is no leeway. However, a quality referee will identify the antagonist early and nip it in the bud early.
Blue team vs. White team (blue out)Rudyjax said:
I found Jessexy!
But should the keeper be wearing red if you are?
I take it with the shortage that you just go with what you got.Mathguy64 said:Rudyjax said:Well, you might be right on the NFHS rules. Which i haven't learned yet.bigjag19 said:
No rule against it!
Law 4 in IFAB clearly statesQuote:
Each goalkeeper must wear colours that are distinguishable from the other players and the match officials
My shirt is red. The GK is red and black sleeves. Problem solved!
Seriously though. At professional/international events things like colors are worked out ahead of time. Down to what color pinnie is worn by substitutes. And of course they have plenty of colors to choose from.
At everything below that, wear what you can and try and not stand next to the GKer . Getting three people who may or may not have a blue shirt in their bag to not conflict on Sunday and then having to change to green the next game is a PITA.
I did two games this year where the other ref had a yellow shirt. That's it. I sort of suggested he take some of that hard earned game fee and buy another color. Or two.
And I'll have everyone know only 1 card in the entire game. To an asst coach in the 8th minute. Somewhere between 20-25 fouls. The kids decided the outcome and played a game they'll all remember.jessexy said:I had the whistle on Allen v Flower Mound boys last night.Rudyjax said:
Down goes Allen from another Flower Mound school.
Girls were ranked #2 going into playoffs and Boys #1.
Looks like Region 1 Propser #2 in the state and Flower Mound #1 in state meet up against 2 El Paso schools.
Proper and Flower Mound are closer to Tuscaloosa than El Paso.
Great job, i mean it.jessexy said:And I'll have everyone know only 1 card in the entire game. To an asst coach in the 8th minute. Somewhere between 20-25 fouls. The kids decided the outcome and played a game they'll all remember.jessexy said:I had the whistle on Allen v Flower Mound boys last night.Rudyjax said:
Down goes Allen from another Flower Mound school.
Girls were ranked #2 going into playoffs and Boys #1.
Looks like Region 1 Propser #2 in the state and Flower Mound #1 in state meet up against 2 El Paso schools.
Proper and Flower Mound are closer to Tuscaloosa than El Paso.
This came off a corner kick or a long throw-in. I was already in the 18, prolly a little off-center left if a corner. I moved more central because the ball went far post to white #10. He shot it near post to him and it bounced into the mix right where the GK is laying. The ball popped out again and #20 hit it into the goal. I wasn't in the way but could see everything I needed. I don't move very well anymore but I can get to smart positions.Rudyjax said:
OK...referees...talk about his positioning on this. When this was captured, the ball was hitting the net.
The shooter is directly between the camera and 19.
Rudyjax said:I take it with the shortage that you just go with what you got.Mathguy64 said:Rudyjax said:Well, you might be right on the NFHS rules. Which i haven't learned yet.bigjag19 said:
No rule against it!
Law 4 in IFAB clearly statesQuote:
Each goalkeeper must wear colours that are distinguishable from the other players and the match officials
My shirt is red. The GK is red and black sleeves. Problem solved!
Seriously though. At professional/international events things like colors are worked out ahead of time. Down to what color pinnie is worn by substitutes. And of course they have plenty of colors to choose from.
At everything below that, wear what you can and try and not stand next to the GKer . Getting three people who may or may not have a blue shirt in their bag to not conflict on Sunday and then having to change to green the next game is a PITA.
I did two games this year where the other ref had a yellow shirt. That's it. I sort of suggested he take some of that hard earned game fee and buy another color. Or two.
I didn't see it in the rules, but in the Lake Highlands/Flower Mound Girls game, both keepers were wearing Aquablue. Shouldn't one of them change?
bigjag19 said:Rudyjax said:I take it with the shortage that you just go with what you got.Mathguy64 said:Rudyjax said:Well, you might be right on the NFHS rules. Which i haven't learned yet.bigjag19 said:
No rule against it!
Law 4 in IFAB clearly statesQuote:
Each goalkeeper must wear colours that are distinguishable from the other players and the match officials
My shirt is red. The GK is red and black sleeves. Problem solved!
Seriously though. At professional/international events things like colors are worked out ahead of time. Down to what color pinnie is worn by substitutes. And of course they have plenty of colors to choose from.
At everything below that, wear what you can and try and not stand next to the GKer . Getting three people who may or may not have a blue shirt in their bag to not conflict on Sunday and then having to change to green the next game is a PITA.
I did two games this year where the other ref had a yellow shirt. That's it. I sort of suggested he take some of that hard earned game fee and buy another color. Or two.
I didn't see it in the rules, but in the Lake Highlands/Flower Mound Girls game, both keepers were wearing Aquablue. Shouldn't one of them change?
Also allowed.
Now when I did a 3rd round playoff game in CS 3 years ago and home keeper comes out in the slightest color variance from her team…
Rudyjax said:bigjag19 said:Rudyjax said:I take it with the shortage that you just go with what you got.Mathguy64 said:Rudyjax said:Well, you might be right on the NFHS rules. Which i haven't learned yet.bigjag19 said:
No rule against it!
Law 4 in IFAB clearly statesQuote:
Each goalkeeper must wear colours that are distinguishable from the other players and the match officials
My shirt is red. The GK is red and black sleeves. Problem solved!
Seriously though. At professional/international events things like colors are worked out ahead of time. Down to what color pinnie is worn by substitutes. And of course they have plenty of colors to choose from.
At everything below that, wear what you can and try and not stand next to the GKer . Getting three people who may or may not have a blue shirt in their bag to not conflict on Sunday and then having to change to green the next game is a PITA.
I did two games this year where the other ref had a yellow shirt. That's it. I sort of suggested he take some of that hard earned game fee and buy another color. Or two.
I didn't see it in the rules, but in the Lake Highlands/Flower Mound Girls game, both keepers were wearing Aquablue. Shouldn't one of them change?
Also allowed.
Now when I did a 3rd round playoff game in CS 3 years ago and home keeper comes out in the slightest color variance from her team…
Any concerns at the end of the match when the keeper comes out for a header at the end of regulation?
Again, "extension of the classroom" on the field. If your student got caught cheating on a test, then they'd be failed and not given a chance to retake the test. They get a 0 grade. Maybe they get detention or some other punishment. Maybe they get to work off their punishment some other way. but that's for an administrator to figure out. If there's a co-conspirator that doesn't get caught, they got off lucky.Jim01 said:
Agreed. Especially when you know at least half, if not way more, of the time it's the retaliator you are going to hear first. This is why I always hated people like Bill Laimbeer (showing my age) who would goat people and then the person would retaliate and they would get the call. Hated those type of players.
For reference she was at the very corner of the box RIGHT by the AR. He was as close as you could be in the situation, so no idea how loud it was. None of us in the stands on our side heard it (but she was on the far side from us).
It seems excessive to make it a red right away. It's just too drastic a punishment for a teenager.
Rudyjax said:bigjag19 said:Rudyjax said:I take it with the shortage that you just go with what you got.Mathguy64 said:Rudyjax said:Well, you might be right on the NFHS rules. Which i haven't learned yet.bigjag19 said:
No rule against it!
Law 4 in IFAB clearly statesQuote:
Each goalkeeper must wear colours that are distinguishable from the other players and the match officials
My shirt is red. The GK is red and black sleeves. Problem solved!
Seriously though. At professional/international events things like colors are worked out ahead of time. Down to what color pinnie is worn by substitutes. And of course they have plenty of colors to choose from.
At everything below that, wear what you can and try and not stand next to the GKer . Getting three people who may or may not have a blue shirt in their bag to not conflict on Sunday and then having to change to green the next game is a PITA.
I did two games this year where the other ref had a yellow shirt. That's it. I sort of suggested he take some of that hard earned game fee and buy another color. Or two.
I didn't see it in the rules, but in the Lake Highlands/Flower Mound Girls game, both keepers were wearing Aquablue. Shouldn't one of them change?
Also allowed.
Now when I did a 3rd round playoff game in CS 3 years ago and home keeper comes out in the slightest color variance from her team…
Any concerns at the end of the match when the keeper comes out for a header at the end of regulation?
Mathguy64 said:Rudyjax said:bigjag19 said:Rudyjax said:I take it with the shortage that you just go with what you got.Mathguy64 said:Rudyjax said:Well, you might be right on the NFHS rules. Which i haven't learned yet.bigjag19 said:
No rule against it!
Law 4 in IFAB clearly statesQuote:
Each goalkeeper must wear colours that are distinguishable from the other players and the match officials
My shirt is red. The GK is red and black sleeves. Problem solved!
Seriously though. At professional/international events things like colors are worked out ahead of time. Down to what color pinnie is worn by substitutes. And of course they have plenty of colors to choose from.
At everything below that, wear what you can and try and not stand next to the GKer . Getting three people who may or may not have a blue shirt in their bag to not conflict on Sunday and then having to change to green the next game is a PITA.
I did two games this year where the other ref had a yellow shirt. That's it. I sort of suggested he take some of that hard earned game fee and buy another color. Or two.
I didn't see it in the rules, but in the Lake Highlands/Flower Mound Girls game, both keepers were wearing Aquablue. Shouldn't one of them change?
Also allowed.
Now when I did a 3rd round playoff game in CS 3 years ago and home keeper comes out in the slightest color variance from her team…
Any concerns at the end of the match when the keeper comes out for a header at the end of regulation?
Tell the coach to make her change or wear a pinnie before the game starts. He/She won't want to. I don't care what they want.
Mathguy64 said:Rudyjax said:bigjag19 said:Rudyjax said:I take it with the shortage that you just go with what you got.Mathguy64 said:Rudyjax said:Well, you might be right on the NFHS rules. Which i haven't learned yet.bigjag19 said:
No rule against it!
Law 4 in IFAB clearly statesQuote:
Each goalkeeper must wear colours that are distinguishable from the other players and the match officials
My shirt is red. The GK is red and black sleeves. Problem solved!
Seriously though. At professional/international events things like colors are worked out ahead of time. Down to what color pinnie is worn by substitutes. And of course they have plenty of colors to choose from.
At everything below that, wear what you can and try and not stand next to the GKer . Getting three people who may or may not have a blue shirt in their bag to not conflict on Sunday and then having to change to green the next game is a PITA.
I did two games this year where the other ref had a yellow shirt. That's it. I sort of suggested he take some of that hard earned game fee and buy another color. Or two.
I didn't see it in the rules, but in the Lake Highlands/Flower Mound Girls game, both keepers were wearing Aquablue. Shouldn't one of them change?
Also allowed.
Now when I did a 3rd round playoff game in CS 3 years ago and home keeper comes out in the slightest color variance from her team…
Any concerns at the end of the match when the keeper comes out for a header at the end of regulation?
Tell the coach to make her change or wear a pinnie before the game starts. He/She won't want to. I don't care what they want.
Rudyjax said:Mathguy64 said:Rudyjax said:bigjag19 said:Rudyjax said:I take it with the shortage that you just go with what you got.Mathguy64 said:Rudyjax said:Well, you might be right on the NFHS rules. Which i haven't learned yet.bigjag19 said:
No rule against it!
Law 4 in IFAB clearly statesQuote:
Each goalkeeper must wear colours that are distinguishable from the other players and the match officials
My shirt is red. The GK is red and black sleeves. Problem solved!
Seriously though. At professional/international events things like colors are worked out ahead of time. Down to what color pinnie is worn by substitutes. And of course they have plenty of colors to choose from.
At everything below that, wear what you can and try and not stand next to the GKer . Getting three people who may or may not have a blue shirt in their bag to not conflict on Sunday and then having to change to green the next game is a PITA.
I did two games this year where the other ref had a yellow shirt. That's it. I sort of suggested he take some of that hard earned game fee and buy another color. Or two.
I didn't see it in the rules, but in the Lake Highlands/Flower Mound Girls game, both keepers were wearing Aquablue. Shouldn't one of them change?
Also allowed.
Now when I did a 3rd round playoff game in CS 3 years ago and home keeper comes out in the slightest color variance from her team…
Any concerns at the end of the match when the keeper comes out for a header at the end of regulation?
Tell the coach to make her change or wear a pinnie before the game starts. He/She won't want to. I don't care what they want.
Keepers can wear the same color but if they're going into the box for a corner they have to know ahead of time and put on a Pinnie or am I misunderstanding you?
Right....my question about that if the keepers are wearing the same color and it doesn't concern you then no worries.Mathguy64 said:Rudyjax said:Mathguy64 said:Rudyjax said:bigjag19 said:Rudyjax said:I take it with the shortage that you just go with what you got.Mathguy64 said:Rudyjax said:Well, you might be right on the NFHS rules. Which i haven't learned yet.bigjag19 said:
No rule against it!
Law 4 in IFAB clearly statesQuote:
Each goalkeeper must wear colours that are distinguishable from the other players and the match officials
My shirt is red. The GK is red and black sleeves. Problem solved!
Seriously though. At professional/international events things like colors are worked out ahead of time. Down to what color pinnie is worn by substitutes. And of course they have plenty of colors to choose from.
At everything below that, wear what you can and try and not stand next to the GKer . Getting three people who may or may not have a blue shirt in their bag to not conflict on Sunday and then having to change to green the next game is a PITA.
I did two games this year where the other ref had a yellow shirt. That's it. I sort of suggested he take some of that hard earned game fee and buy another color. Or two.
I didn't see it in the rules, but in the Lake Highlands/Flower Mound Girls game, both keepers were wearing Aquablue. Shouldn't one of them change?
Also allowed.
Now when I did a 3rd round playoff game in CS 3 years ago and home keeper comes out in the slightest color variance from her team…
Any concerns at the end of the match when the keeper comes out for a header at the end of regulation?
Tell the coach to make her change or wear a pinnie before the game starts. He/She won't want to. I don't care what they want.
Keepers can wear the same color but if they're going into the box for a corner they have to know ahead of time and put on a Pinnie or am I misunderstanding you?
If it's close to their team they change. If it's close to the opposing team they change. I could care less if each GK wears the same color. They won't be next to each other the whole game unless one is down on the other area the last 10 seconds and I can figure that out. And I don't care if they match me. I'm not ever standing next to them unless it's a dropped ball or I'm checking on an injury. Besides I'm old and fat and everyone else can tell the difference.