My least favorite thing about high school soccer…

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Here's my notes from the Zapruder like viewing of the Veo video from our game.

03:57 - Game starts

11:27 - FW Yellow - PNG on the attack, our attacking mid basically stops in a box out position in front of a PNG attacker around mid field. Clearly obstruction, but yellow? Our entire back line was back, and the contact was 15 yds behind the play.

36:37 - PNG Yellow - Ball in air around our box, FW girl goes straight up for it, PNG player comes flying in and takes her out. Maybe a little dangerous.

39:12 - FW Red Card Goalie. She was around the 5 yd line when she punted, ref was at about 35 yd line. I thought the AR told her something but it looks like she heard it directly. As soon as the goalie punts it the ref turns and sprints too her and shows Red. Still think it was too harsh. On that game changing of a call I would have at least liked to see her confer with the AR (whose was much closer) to make sure she understood the situation.

This is the sequence where things unravel…

74:43 - FW Yellow. PNG girl around 15 yd line takes on FW and gets by two defenders. The ball squirts out a long way in front of her so I don't think she would get to it. Maybe one of the FW grabs her arm as she passes? I don't know. It looks like a common hand finding situation type foul. Award the free kick in a dangerous position. No need for yellow to me.

78:35 - FW Yellow. FW player tries to take ball from girl at mid field and misses. Kiddos looks like she gets some ball but hard to tell. PNG player trips partially over ball and partially from contact. Again, common foul. Gives card and sprints after player. Maybe FW girl was mumbling something? This was in no way a yellow to me. It was a clean attempt at the ball that just didn't workout.

81:56 - FW Yellow. Foul from behind on a box out and protect the ball situation. I think she calls that a common foul, though I thought she got ball, and so do our players. She then yellow cards another FW girl who is walking away from the play and I guess says something. I think at this point our girls mentally snap. Two really bad yellow card calls in the previous 5 min and then another call they didn't think was a foul.

82:00 - FW Yellow. Gives another yellow to another FW girl, this is the one who says "Learn how to do your job." Player immediately starts to walk to sideline. Deserved yellow.

82:11 - FW Yellow. Same girl says something as she's walking away and is probably 10 yards away from ref. I guess this is where she repeats her "Learn how to do your job." My frustration is that if the point of making them sit with a yellow is to cool down then 10 seconds doesn't really seem like time. Let the girl walk off and move on with the game. I can understand the yellow but repeating the same phrase twice in 10 seconds to me I would umbrella under the first yellow. Maybe I'd just be a soft ref

82:30 - Kicks first set of parents out of game.

83:35 - While the parents are escorted out, instead of walking to mid field or anything, the ref stands at our sideline right in front of the section the parent is sitting in. As the parent continues to yell on the way out, the ref gives a few thumbs up (like a "OK lady. Keep talking." Sarcastic way) to the parent continuing to yell on her way out, then says "That's what you've been saying all game". To me that's a bit unprofessional on her end. Walk away. You've told the coach now let the coach handle the parent. Go back to the game. You are just antagonizing with those gestures and your presence on the sideline.


90:25 - PNG Yellow. Player goes for our attacker on a break and misses ball, attacker goes down. Borderline but I'm fine with a yellow. I personally would have just called a foul because it happened at the 50 and there were 3 defenders still behind her. It was an honest attempt at a tackle.

91:20 - Kicks photographer out of the game

110:10 - Proud dad moment as I notice my daughter is the first (and only) player from either team to go fist bump the refs after the handshake line.

Overall 6 cards to our 3 for the entire year. Our girls dug themselves the hole in some ways but lord the ref stunk. It wasn't at all a physical game and should and could have been a good match with a different ref, IMHO.
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Really need more info on the GK Red.
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Mathguy64 said:

jessexy said:

Hearing about a fight in Region IV boys regionals. Don't know which teams or which division. Surely there's someone out there ready to blame the refs though.


R4 4A in Corpus. Full on masscon. I saw a clip this morning. I think the game ended 8v8.
Progreso vs La Vernia! Started with some shirt pulling then punches thrown then turned into many in brawl with a few on the floor! 7 ejections I believe! Came out on the local news
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PNG girl was reportedly talking trash to our goalie. "You suck!", "You can't even punt!", "You couldn't block a shot to save your life!" And stuff.

FW goalie snaps and yells at her to STFU! Ref hears it, deems is taunting and immediately gives her a red card.

It was a 1-0 game with a little over 15 min left in first half.
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King Koda said:

When didn't any of the officials on this site comment on this decision?



I don't understand the question.

If it impacts anyone's thinking, the keeper had been warned three times in four shots about coming off her line
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taylorswift13_ said:

Mathguy64 said:

jessexy said:

Hearing about a fight in Region IV boys regionals. Don't know which teams or which division. Surely there's someone out there ready to blame the refs though.


R4 4A in Corpus. Full on masscon. I saw a clip this morning. I think the game ended 8v8.
Progreso vs La Vernia! Started with some shirt pulling then punches thrown then turned into many in brawl with a few on the floor! 7 ejections I believe! Came out on the local news
The Progreso Mighty Red Ants!!!! Love them.
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the_phoenix612 said:

King Koda said:

When didn't any of the officials on this site comment on this decision?



I don't understand the question.

If it impacts anyone's thinking, the keeper had been warned three times in four shots about coming off her line


But she wasn't off the line on this one.

The same referee called a very questionable handball in the box in the Flower Mound Prosper boys game today.

They make mistakes. That one in the SL game was huge.
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Rudyjax said:

the_phoenix612 said:

King Koda said:

When didn't any of the officials on this site comment on this decision?



I don't understand the question.

If it impacts anyone's thinking, the keeper had been warned three times in four shots about coming off her line


But she wasn't off the line on this one.

The same referee called a very questionable handball in the box in the Flower Mound Prosper boys game today.

They make mistakes. That one in the SL game was huge.


Nah, the FM defender chicken winged and made himself bigger. It was a solid call.

His last match before this weekend was also El Salvador - Honduras so I think he's decent
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the_phoenix612 said:

Rudyjax said:

the_phoenix612 said:

King Koda said:

When didn't any of the officials on this site comment on this decision?



I don't understand the question.

If it impacts anyone's thinking, the keeper had been warned three times in four shots about coming off her line


But she wasn't off the line on this one.

The same referee called a very questionable handball in the box in the Flower Mound Prosper boys game today.

They make mistakes. That one in the SL game was huge.


Nah, the FM defender chicken winged and made himself bigger. It was a solid call.

His last match before this weekend was also El Salvador - Honduras so I think he's decent


Ok. Looked down to me.
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The referees on this site seemed to avoid providing their thoughts on the call. I was just asking them to give their input.

Whether he warned her prior or not is either irrelevant or makes the call more egregious since she was obviously not off her line. In the image immediately after the kick, you can even see her taking a false step behind the line so no advantage was gained.

I also never questioned his standing or quality as an official. I also didn't post that it was the reason for the game going the way it did. Over the last 15 years, Region 1 has been tougher to win that the state championship round, so it was obviously a very big call.
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King Koda said:

The referees on this site seemed to avoid providing their thoughts on the call. I was just asking them to give their input.

Whether he warned her prior or not is either irrelevant or makes the call more egregious since she was obviously not off her line. In the image immediately after the kick, you can even see her taking a false step behind the line so no advantage was gained.

I also never questioned his standing or quality as an official. I also didn't post that it was the reason for the game going the way it did. Over the last 15 years, Region 1 has been tougher to win that the state championship round, so it was obviously a very big call.


Gotcha, thanks for clarifying!

Btw I am also a referee on this site. I had a pretty decent view of it live and the video/images are from far enough off parallel from the goal line that it's hard to draw much of a conclusion.
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the_phoenix612 said:

King Koda said:

The referees on this site seemed to avoid providing their thoughts on the call. I was just asking them to give their input.

Whether he warned her prior or not is either irrelevant or makes the call more egregious since she was obviously not off her line. In the image immediately after the kick, you can even see her taking a false step behind the line so no advantage was gained.

I also never questioned his standing or quality as an official. I also didn't post that it was the reason for the game going the way it did. Over the last 15 years, Region 1 has been tougher to win that the state championship round, so it was obviously a very big call.


Gotcha, thanks for clarifying!

Btw I am also a referee on this site. I had a pretty decent view of it live and the video/images are from far enough off parallel from the goal line that it's hard to draw much of a conclusion.


But she doesn't move until the ball was kicked. Should the AR tell her to go back to the line? Did he? Did she not do that?

And thanks for responding.
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Thanks for your input. I didn't take the video but was sitting in line with the goal and couldn't tell if the call was right or not in real time. It was a well officiated match overall and a shame that this wasn't the state championship game. I couldn't argue with the DOGSO and felt like the center gave leeway to both teams on possible penalty kicks. When the AR made the call I was hoping it was clear and obvious so these discussions wouldn't diminish an overall well-played and well-officiated match.
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Winner of region 1 has won 16 of the last 18 titles.

And with Marcus' best player out with a knee injury, it definitely was the two best teams in the state playing.

Now, anything can happen on any given day, but we all know the best soccer is played in Region 1.
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King Koda said:

Thanks for your input. I didn't take the video but was sitting in line with the goal and couldn't tell if the call was right or not in real time. It was a well officiated match overall and a shame that this wasn't the state championship game. I couldn't argue with the DOGSO and felt like the center gave leeway to both teams on possible penalty kicks. When the AR made the call I was hoping it was clear and obvious so these discussions wouldn't diminish an overall well-played and well-officiated match.
I'm a big fan of a high bar to give a penalty so I totally agreed with the center's no-calls on the penalty appeals. SLC #34 in particular was seeking out contact and going down easy all game.
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We got knocked out in OT yesterday. The game was there for the taking.
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I tend to not comment on other officiating decisions because it's usually asked with context attached. It's asked by a fan or coach with a slanted bias, or with a 14-second video clip where the context is too short.

I can't get inside that referee's head for the decision he or she is making. I also can't tell what the context of the entire game is either, which is very important when making a decision to me in my game. I have a plan when I'm in the middle. I'm seeing the flow of the game and communicating with the major and minor characters, building a relationship over 90 minutes. I'm reading what they can and can't do and seeing how that impacts the context of the game in one moment.

So I usually only comment on this board with fact-based answers that provide context on how a decision is made, not the how or why. Sorry if that's too many words
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the_phoenix612 said:

Rudyjax said:

the_phoenix612 said:

King Koda said:

When didn't any of the officials on this site comment on this decision?



I don't understand the question.

If it impacts anyone's thinking, the keeper had been warned three times in four shots about coming off her line


But she wasn't off the line on this one.

The same referee called a very questionable handball in the box in the Flower Mound Prosper boys game today.

They make mistakes. That one in the SL game was huge.


Nah, the FM defender chicken winged and made himself bigger. It was a solid call.

His last match before this weekend was also El Salvador - Honduras so I think he's decent
Was at the game with my daughter, just as a spectator. Handball looked like the right call for me too. Defender had his arms out to start the play and ended up with them tucked behind his back too late. Defender didn't argue either.

#5 committed the handball and #4 was the one that got the card for arguing. #4 and his mouth were a problem during FM v. Allen also. He was the only player on my radar to get a card.

I'm not sure that referee is reffing any Honduras v El Salvador games outside of the Sunday men's league in the local Hispanic league. He was good enough for HS Regionals though. I didn't like his management of the pk. He carded a FM player and then took extra time to speak with the FM coach before allowing the pk to be taken; essentially icing the Prosper kid with all the time to think about it. And it was saved. That was unfair, IMO. Prosper earned the pk cuz FM committed the handling but the extra time worked against them.
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jessexy said:

the_phoenix612 said:

Rudyjax said:

the_phoenix612 said:

King Koda said:

When didn't any of the officials on this site comment on this decision?



I don't understand the question.

If it impacts anyone's thinking, the keeper had been warned three times in four shots about coming off her line


But she wasn't off the line on this one.

The same referee called a very questionable handball in the box in the Flower Mound Prosper boys game today.

They make mistakes. That one in the SL game was huge.


Nah, the FM defender chicken winged and made himself bigger. It was a solid call.

His last match before this weekend was also El Salvador - Honduras so I think he's decent
Was at the game with my daughter, just as a spectator. Handball looked like the right call for me too. Defender had his arms out to start the play and ended up with them tucked behind his back too late. Defender didn't argue either.

#5 committed the handball and #4 was the one that got the card for arguing. #4 and his mouth were a problem during FM v. Allen also. He was the only player on my radar to get a card.

I'm not sure that referee is reffing any Honduras v El Salvador games outside of the Sunday men's league in the local Hispanic league. He was good enough for HS Regionals though. I didn't like his management of the pk. He carded a FM player and then took extra time to speak with the FM coach before allowing the pk to be taken; essentially icing the Prosper kid with all the time to think about it. And it was saved. That was unfair, IMO. Prosper earned the pk cuz FM committed the handling but the extra time worked against them.
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Cool then. If that's him then I really don't like the management of the pk.
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taylorswift13_ said:

Mathguy64 said:

jessexy said:

Hearing about a fight in Region IV boys regionals. Don't know which teams or which division. Surely there's someone out there ready to blame the refs though.


R4 4A in Corpus. Full on masscon. I saw a clip this morning. I think the game ended 8v8.
Progreso vs La Vernia! Started with some shirt pulling then punches thrown then turned into many in brawl with a few on the floor! 7 ejections I believe! Came out on the local news



Yeah, it came out of nowhere quickly, especially as the instigator was on the winning team with 6 minute left and had gotten the foul call, zero discipline. I was AR in the game, 6 reds, three apiece, and we missed two more. The UIL came in that night and suspended the extra player from Progreso. They probably would have beaten Boerne with those 4 starters.
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Was the game terminated? I noticed in the brackets that Boerne progressed through with no opponent listed for the Regional Final. and there was no score listed on the Progreso semifinal game.
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No, it finished 8 v 8 and the final was played the next day with a score of 1-0. The semifinal finished 3-2 Progreso. I do not know why the bracket was shown empty.

We actually asked why there weren't any police at the stadium prior to the game. Needless to say, they had plenty the rest of the tournament. Progreso earned another red card during the final for a player cursing out the 4th official.
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whodatboy18 said:

No, it finished 8 v 8 and the final was played the next day with a score of 1-0. The semifinal finished 3-2 Progreso. I do not know why the bracket was shown empty.

We actually asked why there weren't any police at the stadium prior to the game. Needless to say, they had plenty the rest of the tournament. Progreso earned another red card during the final for a player cursing out the 4th official.
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Them Red Ants are ornery!
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Anyone have a good bracket on this weekends games?
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https://www.uiltexas.org/soccer/state/brackets
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jessexy said:

https://www.uiltexas.org/soccer/state/brackets


I think the times are off on some of those though. It has the 6A Boys final at 6:30 when it's really 1:30.
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Crazy that Navasota is in the state tourney. The school didn't put Jack into the program for forever. Awful coaches, no travel, poor equipment, etc. Heck, they were still playing in the snake pit well into the 2010s with a single bank of lights because their AD didn't want them on the new football turf.
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D/FW is dominating the girls' tournament again.
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Where is everyone watching this weekend?
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Mojo showcase is the big HOU tournament
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We were in College Station with Friendswood for the CSISD tournament.

We ended up 1-1-1 which wasn't too bad. We lost 4 seniors from last year, both our strikers (a D1 commit and a D2 commit) and our center back (a D1 commit). We have a great group of freshman but the two studs from that group were both resting injuries. They are both Albion ECNL girls, one attacking mid, one center back, so we weren't full strength..

My daughter is a sophomore who was first team all district as an outside back last year. This year she started there but asked her coach to give her a chance at wing (where she plays in club). The coach is defensive minded so was weary of moving her because she's a strong defender. She got to play wing almost the entire weekend and really pounced on the opportunity, scoring all three of our goals on the weekend! The second one was particularly fun because Nolan Catholic had just tied it 1-1. Straight off the kick off, our lone senior of consequence (a D1 commit) storms straight ahead and then slots a ball right to my daughter who beats the last defender and scores to retake the lead just 11 seconds later!

v Rock Hill (lost 0-5)
v Nolan Catholic (won 2-1)
v College Station (tied 1-1)

Our district stinks so we will roll through that. I am optimistic about the team. I have long thought there was something in the water in 2009, as that crop has always been strong. There are 7 freshman getting minutes with 2 studs and 2-3 others making good contributions. Once the freshman gets a little more accustomed to the team and healthy we should have a pretty good squad.
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District games start tonight and it's so effing cold. We have I-10 this weekend as well. It's basketball weather but we love soccer.
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Yeah, my daughters games for I-10 on Thursday and Friday are both early in the day. I was sad that I would have to miss them until I saw the forecast... and then I wasn't so sad.
 
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