My least favorite thing about high school soccer…

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agsalaska
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I witnessed the worst referee moment in my 48 years on this earth tonight.

Belton Vs. Lake Girls varsity. At Belton. Yes it's a big rivalry. Yes the boys parents had a fight in the stands four years ago. This is the girls. and those people have long since moved on.

BHS has maybe 40 students in the stands, all of whom are sitting within 30 feet of their principal, two assistant principals, two school security guards, and maybe five teachers. Not to mention all the parents to their right. Anyway a few of them were being loud, but funny. They were mostly yelling at the field for being grass and having a crown causing the ball to roll out of bounds(this is legendary at this field. Its really not that bad). That's kind of an old tradition. But they said nothing directly at the ref and whatever they yelled it was funny and not remotely inappropriate. No cussing. Nothing insulting to players. I heard every word and there was nothing.

About 15 minutes into the game the AD and a Belton cop very reluctantly and on orders from the ref had three of them removed. The principal was livid. The APs and teachers were livid. The opposing team's parents were dumbfounded. But the AD said that he had no choice because if he didnt run them they would have to forfeit.

OK. So lets send three 17 yo boys, who are behaving just fine at a school function, out on the street because a ref thought he might have heard something he maybe didn't like?

The AD had an at length one way conversation with the guy at halftime. But he just sat there with a smug smile on his face as if telling him there is nothing he can do about it. And the sad part is he was right. There was nothing anybody could do, and he couldn't care less.

That ref has zero business being involved in any way with our kids. Zero. He sent three kids out on the street and basically made his profession look awful and probably went home thinking he did the right thing. Total idiot. This sport needs to purge themselves of guys like him.


I wish I knew his boss.
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Midnight Yale
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School soccer coach here (though in San Antonio). At least here, the coaches can request not to have a given ref ever again. Coaches are expected to be judicious with the power, but we have only ever wanted to use it once.
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Coaches can scratch a referee for any reason. They have to be renewed each season.

It goes the other way too. Referees can scratch themselves from doing games at a school or for a coach.

If you scratch what you think are all the bad ones in hopes of getting what you think are the good ones, you may end up with nobody.
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This guy was not worth having. He was an embarrassment. We are not an overly passionate crazy place and are pretty easy to handle. He was just clueless. He called a pretty good game on the field but the way he treated the fans was unacceptable.


And if I understand it he isn't coming back. Both administrations including the school Principals were discussing the options with the AD the next day. It was the talk of both schools. Totally unacceptable kicking students out like that.

I do appreciate the feedback on it.
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agsalaska
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Mathguy64
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Any time you have to have someone kicked out of the stands you are required to fill out an incident report that goes to UIL and ultimately back to both ADs detailing what happened. It gets routed back to TASO and from there back to the chapter.

My experience is it doesn't always get submitted.

Coaches and admins on duty can (not required but can) submit one as well stating their side of what happened. It also gets routed to everyone. That version almost never gets written. I'll wager most coaches or admins don't even know they can do that.
agsalaska
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Man I really appreciate that information. Not sure if she knows that or not but she will.

It was very disappointing. The referees all year have been really good. And he just killed it.
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Ghost of Andrew Eaton
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I've got a question for Math,

When there is a foul at the end of the game resulting in a free kick, does the ref have to stop the clock so that the kick can take place. I'm assuming it's ref discretion but I was curious.

It happened in our game last night and nothing came of it. What I found strange was that we had been fouled at the other end of the field and the clock kept running.

It was a sort of "rivalry game" and he was pretty inconsistent, in my opinion and ignored his own ARs quite a bit. Maybe they were making the wrong calls(I agreed with their calls) but I've never seen one disregard them so often.

This is the same guy that walked off the field of a tournament game that our team was involved with a few years back but we have a completely new staff. I only know this because he mentioned it to our keeper, who refs club with.
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Mathguy64
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Unless you are carding for something or an injury needs a trainer then unfortunately there is no reason to stop the game.

HS does say you can stop it "at the discretion of the referee" but I wouldn't. You don't stop it for every other FK so doing it then is an unfair advantage. It's just bad timing.

Now if you thought the opponent was committing a foul just to get a free kick (like an intentional hold), maybe you decide that's unsporting and toss a card.
Ghost of Andrew Eaton
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I thought so but wasn't confident and shut up. In the end, they didn't score off of it and so we won.
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NCAA soccer has a rule that allows for a referee to keep the clock running on a cautioned foul when he/she determines that the foul was committed with the intention of stopping the clock. The interpretation is that you can also stock the clock the other way if the foul is for the purposes of wasting time. If any of that makes sense. This rule is not in HS soccer though.
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I drew the double line last night. Worked with Larry and Mo though. I am definitely not Curly. These two chuckleheads had new and innovative ways to enforce the HS rules that I'd never seen before. Both schools were winless in district for varsity and JV.

JV game had a fight with 4 red cards (1 and 3) and 6 other yellow cards. Ref had no clue and I felt bad for him. He starts asking the coach for the team with 3 red cards "what do you want to do?" and I'm wondering why. The coach has no choice in this.

Varsity game had 11 yellow cards and 2 red cards.

First red card was a DOGSO-foul by the home GK in the 2nd minute of the game. It was so clear that the GK was taking his gloves off and walking off the field before the referee caught up to the play. There were audible groans that felt like "Not again". But the Ref came over towards me (AR2) and asked me what I saw so the GK had enough time to put his gloves back on and start getting his wall together before he got the red.

2nd red card was the DOGSO foul by the opponent in the exact same position as the 1st half. This was with 12 minutes left. Ref had to come over to me again and ask what I saw. I'm thinking these two cards are stone cold but I guess it wasn't as obvious to him. Who knows.....
 
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