Manchester United 2021-22 Thread

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Mathguy64
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The club made an official announcement. "Ole has left his role as manager." That's as soft a sacking as you will see.

They also said Carrick will take over for now until an interim is appointed.
Furlock Bones
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I hate the ownership and management of ManU. Truly awful. They are appointing an interim manager until they can find an interim manager in order to get through the season and have more manager options in the summer.

God damned insanity.
Dre_00
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So the last player to score a goal for Ole was… Donny van de Beek.
Mathguy64
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The ManU Twitter has posted two interview clips given after the end. Someone who is better at Twitter than me can post them.

He may not have had the tactical acumen to manage at this level but you cannot question his heart or passion. That's a classy interview.
BJM1781
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No doubt. Ole's a good dude and has handled the "sacking" very well.

Just wish this would have happened a month or two ago.
Mathguy64
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akm91
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Yes, ManU really messed this one up. They could've had Conte but now not sure who they're going to get. Maybe they can poach Pochettino from PSG? I don't think Zidane will go to ManU but it would be great to have him battle Pep again.
"And liberals, being liberals, will double down on failure." - dedgod
Furlock Bones
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Rumors on Zidane is that he isn't confident enough in his English skills and his family doesn't want to go to Manchester.

I'm not really keen on Poch. Ten Hag is my favorite pick if we can't get convince Zidane.
Dre_00
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I'm not completely understanding the handwringing around losing out on Conte. Yes, he likely would have been the best, reasonable fit in the short term. He's a top manager with EPL success. But if you really want a long term solution (i.e. a manager who can in theory last in the job more than 3 years), he's not a great option. He's not known for the expansive "attack, attack, attack" football that United prides itself in. He's quite the opposite in a lot of regards. He's never stayed anywhere for longer than a few seasons. He almost certainly would've stuck around a few seasons, brought us up the table to be in the conversation for trophies and then left...perhaps winning something and perhaps not. And then it's 2024 and we're right back here.

Which...is fine maybe in modern football for most clubs. And maybe it should be fine for United too. But if United really do value staying true to the "United Way" and value looking for a manager who can be something other than a 2-3 year fit (whether that should be their philosophy or not is another matter), then Conte isn't exactly that profile. Or to put it another way, one of the best things about Ole's tenure was bringing that intangible sense of "Unitedness" back to the club in some measure. Conte doesn't exactly build upon and improve upon that even if his results would almost certainly be better.
Dre_00
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Of the names being mentioned, I like ten Hag the most. Ajax plays some immensely attractive football and he's shown the ability to manage in a number of different types of games. He's young by manager standards (51) but no so young as to be inexperienced. He's at the right time in his career if you're looking for a person who, in theory, could be around for longer than a couple of seasons. He can play the attacking football United profess to prioritize.

The biggest questions with him are whether United would give him enough time to succeed. If you hire ten Hag over say, Zidane, you immediately need to understand that you have to give him a minimum of 2 full seasons. And ten Hag's experience is largely based in an Eredivisie where defense is an afterthought and his team consistently has the best talent. His CL results help to mediate that concern a bit but they don't completely alleviate it. Also, Ajax is a well run club from the youth teams all the way to the top. It's amazing how the tininest decisions are all made with the larger focus of ensuring 1st team success and a certain style of play. United is...not that. It wants to be that but it's not. Can he succeed without that type of support and system around him?
Furlock Bones
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Ten Hag and van der Sar in a package deal?
Furlock Bones
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Manchester Evening News reporting that Poch has made it known he would leave PSG now for the United job.

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/man-united-news-pochettino-manager-22233997
Dre_00
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Let's see how the United board effs this up...
Mathguy64
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I'm sorry. But why would he want to leave PSG, where he has Messi, M'bappe, Neymar, Donnarumma and a host of very talented internationals plus he's backed by a petrostate? He has a squad that could win the UCL. And he wants to trade that for a squad that is disfunctional and could be outed from the UCL?
jeffk
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He misses that fine, fine English cuisine?
Furlock Bones
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I don't think he likes being a passenger at the club. The owners buy players whether he likes them or not. PSG players are allowed to run their own show.

Lots of managers don't want to deal with that.

*not saying these rumors are true. Just saying there are legitimate reasons for some managers.
Furlock Bones
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And the way United screws this up is not giving Poch the control over players that he wants. The club has way too many business guys that think they know football. They spend money. But they often spend it foolishly with no real plan.
akm91
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Mathguy64 said:

I'm sorry. But why would he want to leave PSG, where he has Messi, M'bappe, Neymar, Donnarumma and a host of very talented internationals plus he's backed by a petrostate? He has a squad that could win the UCL. And he wants to trade that for a squad that is disfunctional and could be outed from the UCL?


I think that's the problem. Too many stars and they don't listen to the manager and tend do their own thing. It's a managerial headache when you know there's nothing you can do about the stars that don't do what you tell them to do. Porch has to accommodate 3 stars who don't play defense into his tactics
"And liberals, being liberals, will double down on failure." - dedgod
Thunder18
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I didn't realize Poch is only 49
HummingbirdSaltalamacchia
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I've really come to think Ten Hag is the best potential hire. just what little i've watched of Ajax in the CL, I love the style they play. he's shown a fair amount of adaptability and tactical acumen that has been significantly lacking in recent years. he is higher risk but higher potential reward. Poch would be the safer pick and is a significant upgrade over OGS so consider me happy with either. that all being said, if United doesnt fix the behind the scenes bull****, then it wont matter either way.
planoaggie123
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Good interview. Wish it could have worked out; however, he absolutely had to go. Not sure why they could not figure out the line-ups / formations better....
Dre_00
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I think they'll screw this up long before that. They'll likely screw this up by either short changing PSG, not committiing to a long term contract to Poch from the get go, or keeping Carrick in for longer than he should be if he manages a few decent results.
akm91
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ManU needs to upgrade their midfield, pronto.
"And liberals, being liberals, will double down on failure." - dedgod
Furlock Bones
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sounds like United are very close signing Poch

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/man-united-news-pochettino-fee-22245386

I have to say I am a bit shocked at how low the buyouts for managers are. I guess I'm just used to college football where 30,40, 50mm dollar buyouts are normal.
Mathguy64
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The Carrick era starts with McFred in the double pivot. but it also has VDB in place of Bruno.
planoaggie123
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Watching on Uni Mas and they don't have a clock going on the top left…strange…


Edit: maybe it's a resolution issue
Mathguy64
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0-0 HT. I saw nothing really different in the play. Not shocking as its the same staff.
akm91
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If ManU gets Poch then PSG will gets Zidane. How many managers have had the chance to manage both Ronaldo and Messi?
"And liberals, being liberals, will double down on failure." - dedgod
planoaggie123
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Wow de gea with great save
boogieman
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CR7 with the touch.
planoaggie123
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Good press by Fred to set up Ronaldo…
Mathguy64
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Thats horrific play by their GK. Not that I'm complaining.
Mathguy64
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Almost a second.
Mathguy64
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Nice finish by Sancho and a very nice assist by CR7 who laid off a ball he could have shot.
planoaggie123
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Does Carrick sign his deal before they get on the plane or wait till they get home???
 
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