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if Charlie Strong ... had won 10 games that year
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if Charlie Strong ... had won 10 games that year
T-Shizzle said:Jarrin' Jay said:Raptor said:Leander - Ag said:What a complete disaster KS was. Looking back it is was Fran level incompetence.TheWoodsAg said:
In all fairness, Sumlin completely fubar'd the QB room at A&M and as a result we gave him a $15 million check for it.
Our highest national ranking 5th in the final AP poll in the past 25+ years. If Sumlin is guilty of all of our woes, then he gets some credit for what Sherill, RC, Fran, Sherm, and Jimbo couldn't or can't do. Not since 1956 have we been ranked 5th or higher in the AP to finish a season.
He will always be listed as the HC of the 2012 team. But really his only accomplishment was inheriting a team of Top 10 talent accumulated and coached up by his predecessor, and having Kliff to coach the greatest assembly of offensive talent we had ever had. Every single starter on the 2012 offense, which Sumlin had nothing to do with their recruiting and development, played in the NFL including the entire OL. That is unheard of.
The truest measure of the real value of Sumlin as a HC and his competence level is revealed by looking at his last 4 seasons at A&M. The fact is the further we got away from Sherman recruited and developed players, the worse we got. That is not an opinion, that is a fact, and it is why we had the worst most embarrassing comeback loss in the history of Power 5 football followed the next week by being tied with an FCS school in the 4Q in Sumlin's last season....
Sumlin should have been fired before he was, but for certain we should not have paid his buyout due to "letter-gate".....
Bwahahaha well what about all the defensive players Sumlin recruited here? That went on to the NFL
Davante Harris, Dashawn Hall, Myles Garrett, Zay Henderson, Armani Watts, Justin Evans, Donovan Wilson, Otaro Alaka, Tyrell Dodson, Brandon Williams, Kingsley Keke,!
What about the talent that's on the team now that Sumlin recruited! All this Sumlin hate is a joke! He didn't get it done here! Fine! It happens ,but the hate is unreal and I know why, and it's sad!
This is so ridiculous. If that is all that Sumlin did and his predecessor was the one that did all the coaching, why is it that his predecessor went 6-6 with virtually the same OL, great talent at the WR position, and the highest drafted quarterback this school has ever seen? If Sumlin did NOTHING and it was all Sherman, then why did we get so much better the following year with a very similar team in a better conference?Jarrin' Jay said:Raptor said:Leander - Ag said:What a complete disaster KS was. Looking back it is was Fran level incompetence.TheWoodsAg said:
In all fairness, Sumlin completely fubar'd the QB room at A&M and as a result we gave him a $15 million check for it.
Our highest national ranking 5th in the final AP poll in the past 25+ years. If Sumlin is guilty of all of our woes, then he gets some credit for what Sherill, RC, Fran, Sherm, and Jimbo couldn't or can't do. Not since 1956 have we been ranked 5th or higher in the AP to finish a season.
He will always be listed as the HC of the 2012 team. But really his only accomplishment was inheriting a team of Top 10 talent accumulated and coached up by his predecessor, and having Kliff to coach the greatest assembly of offensive talent we had ever had. Every single starter on the 2012 offense, which Sumlin had nothing to do with their recruiting and development, played in the NFL including the entire OL. That is unheard of.
The truest measure of the real value of Sumlin as a HC and his competence level is revealed by looking at his last 4 seasons at A&M. The fact is the further we got away from Sherman recruited and developed players, the worse we got. That is not an opinion, that is a fact, and it is why we had the worst most embarrassing comeback loss in the history of Power 5 football followed the next week by being tied with an FCS school in the 4Q in Sumlin's last season....
Sumlin should have been fired before he was, but for certain we should not have paid his buyout due to "letter-gate".....
I guess it does, because I still don't think I see anything in that paragraph that provides an actual example.ghowe said:I guess it depends on ones definition of toxic. KS did some things well and some not well. On balance he was not getting it done, few dispute that. When two of the most critical people to the success of an organization leave simultaneously because management has created an environment & atmosphere they no longer wish to be a part of I don't think toxic is an unreasonable word to use. Failure to develop a culture & team identity was his greatest shortcoming. His problem was leadership. Were these bad kids, prima donna's... I don't know or care. He recruited these guys and brought them in, it's his job to make it work and get the most out of every player. And he did not.Threadbare said:"Toxic"?NathanChristie said:
Kyle and Kyler quit just like any of you would quit a job in a toxic environment. They transferred even though either of them could very well have been the QB1 the following year at A&M. That should tell you something.
Please elaborate.
I've heard it said that Sumlin was inattentive and didn't communicate well.
I've heard it said that he played Allen when he was hurt (though, without starting the argument all over again, that can be viewed in different ways).
I've heard he made promises to Murray that couldn't be kept, though, again, it seems mostly speculative and unclear exactly what was promised.
None of these things seem positive, but "toxic" is a pretty strong word.
Was Sumlin verbally abusing them? Ridiculing them? Blatantly lying to them on a regular basis? None of that seems like Sumlin's style.
Was it toxic because they didn't like each other? Did teammates mistreat them?
To me, it seems like they both had pretty big egos, and utterly resented each other, and utterly resented him for even considering the other guy. Is there anything to that?
And, as far as Sumlin, his failures are well documented. I leave you with this
Whatthefunyo said:Flashdiaz said:
yeah but Kyle Allen (before Josh Reynolds):
Whatever happened to this girl? Some TexAgs stocker post her IG.
There's some paint drying on my back porch.FriscoKid said:
Anyone watching this?
PascalsWager said:
Kyle Allen has failed at every place he's been after high school. I think he keeps getting chances because he LOOKS like a QB.
By the way all the news I'm seeing suggests that Cam is merely questionable. Are the Panthers throwing the towel on the season already?
KM is looking pretty pedestrian today. QBR is 84, has been sacked 6 times, only 4 yards per completionzephyr88 said:
Kyler's not having a bad day, but Kyle is clearly getting the best of the birds and is having a banner day.
So much for being a good scramblerSponge said:
8 sacks.