There is always the debate about what the right amount of friction is

JasonD2005 said:

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There is always the debate about what the right amount of friction is

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Sure, but literally no ice on any roads means we have maximum friction and no debate. I guess if his starting point is north of Texas somewhere then we could be having a different conversation. I'm in the area as previously stated and there is zero ice on the roads. Only ice still remaining are immediately around base of homes where there is still some shade.

YouBet said:

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JasonD2005 said:

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There is always the debate about what the right amount of friction is

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Sure, but literally no ice on any roads means we have maximum friction and no debate. I guess if his starting point is north of Texas somewhere then we could be having a different conversation. I'm in the area as previously stated and there is zero ice on the roads. Only ice still remaining are immediately around base of homes where there is still some shade.

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I think his area's of friction defer from your areas of friction.

East side of my house. This won't be gone until next week with the front rolling in today.

Had to use warm water today to make a path on my sidewalk. Still super slick and I nearly ate it last night. Also had to use a shovel to break up the last ice on my driveway. It was 2 inches thick after 3 days of melt in a sunny area.

Kate Beckett said:

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Had to use warm water today to make a path on my sidewalk. Still super slick and I nearly ate it last night. Also had to use a shovel to break up the last ice on my driveway. It was 2 inches thick after 3 days of melt in a sunny area.

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Careful with the warm water. I found out the hard way that in freezing conditions, warm water actually freezes faster than colder water. You physics folks will have to give the explanation, but once in college, my car was frosted over (just real cold and a little wet overnight). I can't remember if I heated water on the stove or just hot water from the tap, but I poured it on the windshield and drivers side before I left to go pick up a buddy of mine for something. 6-8 minutes later when I dropped by my buddy's house, I opened my door and it wouldn't close! The water had gone down into the door and frozen the locking mechanism.

Thankfully, my buddy's dad, who was a tree guy but pretty smart and had a garage full of stuff, had a propane torch and came out and heated everything up.

On the ground, it may not be as big a deal, just give it a little time and test it before take off jogging.

Lots of good footage out there of people shattering their frozen windows with hot water

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I found out the hard way that in freezing conditions, warm water actually freezes faster than colder water. You physics folks will have to give the explanation

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This actually isn't true other than extreme circumstances. A cold bottle of water will always freeze faster than a warm bottle of water. The Mpemba effect has been proven false by numerous studies. The extreme situation includes rapid evaporation by the hot water....ie throwing a boiling pot of water over your head in extreme cold.

I only know this because I was interested and looked it up.

How "extreme" does the cold have to be. Asking for a friend. With a YouTube channel.

It was just a quarter inch of ice that needed help with that last thaw. I was testing it as I progressed down the sidewalk. It is now drying and safe for walking.

JasonD2005 said:

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How "extreme" does the cold have to be. Asking for a friend. With a YouTube channel.

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No idea. I just literally plagiarized google.

Does it come with Boomers complaining about how we don't play enough Lee Greenwood instead

turned on my truck w/ defrost on and then proceeded to scrap the windshield w/ empty (obviously) yogurt container and then when I went back to my truck I found a crack across the bottom of windshield. Damn!

Same thing happened to me a couple of years ago on my 4Runner when I turned the defroster on in cold weather. I had a small chip repaired prior to that, so I knew it was a possibility.

edit to add: and no, I hadn't ever poured hot water on it.

duck79 said:

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All right I'm over winter now. It can go back north. This single digits crap needs to go.

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I second this.

Kate Beckett said:

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duck79 said:

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All right I'm over winter now. It can go back north. This single digits crap needs to go.

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I second this.

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Thirdededdded-ed

I like the cold...with a limit of the low 20s. Make tending the chickens a bit more work, but that's ok. Ice is the issue for me.

PlanoAg98 said:

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I can't remember if I heated water on the stove or just hot water from the tap, but I poured it on the windshield and drivers side before I left to go pick up a buddy of mine for something.

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You're lucky your windshield didn't crack.

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Probably right, although I didn't pour a lot.

Crazy to still see a few tree covered streets with some ice a week later.

We still have to use 4 wheel drive to get up our driveway. It's on a slight hill and there's a couple feet of ice at the bottom. Just enough to create an issue.

The Shank Ag said:

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Crazy to still see a few tree covered streets with some ice a week later.

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The north side of my house is still solid ice out to about 6' from the house and 3-4" thick. I busted some of it out with a shovel and pick today to move the chunks into sunny areas.

the drifts around the trash bins are up to 12" thick in solid ice and its sloped so you can't even stand there you slide back down. It is so thick I have not even attempted to chop through it. I cannot move the bins they are encased.

Yesterday morning I woke up to no hot water. I am overdue to flush my tankless hot water heater so I figured that would solve the problem. I went up yesterday to start the flushing process and saw some water very slowly dripping from the heater box. I took the front panel off the heater and noticed a pin hole break on a 90 spraying water. I never lost power and kept my indoor faucets dripping. I'm not sure if this was a frozen pipe causing the break or just the age of the heater.

I feel your pain.

My pool freeze-protect worked like a champ with the sheer descent water falls running 24/7 pretty much from early Saturday until ?Wednesday? afternoon. On Friday morning I noticed they weren't running even though it was 20 degrees outside.

That waterfall pump apparently gave up the ghost once it shutdown when the weather warmed mid-week. You can hear it try to do something when you manually turn the falls on now, but nothing happens.

I guess it is inevitable. 6.5 years into a new pool build and the past 9 months has seen a lot of expensive equipement fail.

Also interesting to see how few people do any type of ice maintenance on their drives. I busted my ass Thursday to break up all of the ice on my driveway to ensure 100% dry path for both vehicles. I also prepped the walkway to the front door for all of the deliveries scheduled to arrive Friday.

Going down the street, most of the homes on my side of the road still can't get vehicles out of some of their garage bays. Anyone looking for an easy lawsuit can sign up to deliver a packages to their front doors.

I used hot water to clear my sidewalk on Friday to have a path. Also used a shovel to clear my driveway. I wanted to avoid the ER with broken bones at any cost

I finally cleared my wife's side of the driveway yesterday. Still had 2-2.5 inches of ice sitting on it in the shade.

I've seen quite a few parking lots today still covered in ice.

Definitely a record for how long we've had lingering ice/snow, by far.

There are huge piles of snow/ice in the nearby Sam's parking lot. No telling when that will fully melt.