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I flew several times a month CLL - IAH on the Continental Express prop planes. Made a heck of a lot more sense than driving to IAH.
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So Terafab isn't the only thing he's building east(or southeast) of Aggieland

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TyHolden said:

Didn't Musk build his own subdivisions and private schools for Giga Texas? I thought I heard that from a friend in that area.

Yes, and according to this March 2023 WSJ article, Musk has a history of wanting to build housing developmentrs (and municipalities) for his employees.

WSJ: Elon Musk Is Planning a Texas Utopia - His Own Town
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As of last year, Boring employees could apply for a home with rents starting at about $800 a month for a two- or three-bedroom, according to an advertisement for employees viewed by the Journal and people familiar with the plans. If an employee leaves or is fired, he or she would have to vacate the house within 30 days, those people said.

The median rent in Bastrop, Texas, is about $2,200 a month, according to real-estate listing company Zillow

Executives have discussed opening the houses to all employees of Mr. Musk's

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Ferg said:

So Terafab isn't the only thing he's building east(or southeast) of Aggieland



Keeping everything internal.
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TyHolden said:

Ferg said:

So Terafab isn't the only thing he's building east(or southeast) of Aggieland



Keeping everything internal.


When something is integral and systemic to your operation's needs, do it yourself. When it's episodic and rare, outsource it. That was my MO (in micro-miniature compared to him of course.)

Outsourcing and decentralizing has its place, but the U.S. supply chain allows too many middle men, co-ops, third party contractors and other parasitic entities that erode margin and efficiency. And in Musk's case, even if chip manufacturing were efficient (it's not), the existing chip supply chain can't meet his operation's demand- so why not just do it all if you have the means? Which he does.

It's a fascinating business case, so large in scope that it has seismic geopolitical and economic implications. The cost of chips will come down because the globe's largest customer is taking himself out of the market by making his own. When the market recalibrates, how crucial to China is the Taiwanese chip market? Certainly not as valuable as it is now.

And as it follows, might that make it crucial to see it doesn't happen? That the status quo prevails? What better way to make that happen than pys-ops and social media bots deployed en masse to drive a bipartisan wedge between Americans of all political stripes and their technology infrastructure? Compute = bad; data = bad; chips = bad. In et: build that somewhere else.

We are in the middle of that tug of war now. We need to recognize the difference between legitimate citizen concerns and bots. We're going to see more of it.

Respectfully

Yancy '95
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I just want to tag onto this: getting chip manufacturing stateside is critical for homeland security and homeland defense.

Companies like Anduril are working to bring defense products to market at speeds we haven't seen since World War II. When it comes to restoring the Patriot missile supply, building the Golden Dome, ramping up UAS production and deployment, and leaning hard into cyber warfare, these chips are essential.

I've logged over 3,000 hours on UAS systems and study counter UAS. I can tell you these chips are needed to protect not just our men and women overseas, but the homeland as well. UAS warfare isn't going anywhere, and we cannot afford Chinese back doors in the software or hardware, DJI being the obvious example.

I understand TerraFab is going to change a lot. But remember what happened when the semiconductor plant in Taiwan burned down: production stateside ground to a halt. Ford alone had thousands of trucks sitting idle because of the chip shortage. Now imagine that same vulnerability in wartime.

This region, with Texas A&M going deeper into space, the Bush Combat Center, and now TerraFab, has the potential to make us a world leader in defense and military technology.
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B/CS could be the next Huntsville, AL, but to a much larger extent.
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During WWII, this country experienced a manufacturing surge it had never seen before, one that permanently reshaped entire cities. Huntsville started as an agriculture town and, almost overnight, became the hub for rocket development. That humble entry into rocketry in the 1940s still delivers jobs and economic growth decades later.

I fear many people still don't grasp just how pivotal Texas is becoming on the world stage. By 2035 we will manufacture, produce, and literally launch the future, from chips and batteries to satellites and rockets. This state will lead in the capabilities of emerging technologies and in the creative minds of the next generation. From chicken nuggets to Toyota Tundras, Texas has been producing for a long time. Now the scale and stakes are rising.

Why does this matter to us? Because we're smack in the middle of it. What's different this time is that war didn't invite us to the party. For the most part, we get to throw the party ourselves.

My perspective as a younger man is simple: just as JPL in California, NASA at Cape Canaveral and Clear Lake, and Rocket City in Huntsville became anchors of American capability, College Station, Brazos County, and the Brazos Valley are now standing at the starting line of a generational shift. That excites me. It gives us the chance to honor the hard work of those who came before us while building on that foundation to change the future.

I may be overly optimistic, and that's okay. I know we'll face unique and complex problems. We won't get everything right, but we can work hard enough to get it right most of the time.

This community is beyond special. We don't need Forbes or the New York Times to tell us that. We feel it when we walk into our favorite local restaurant or run into each other at the store. We see it in three hours of public comment at City Hall and in fiery debate that still comes from a place of genuine care. This place is worth protecting. But we can't protect it by pretending change isn't coming or by refusing to prepare for it. We already have decades of roadmaps from communities across the country that faced similar growth.

As a community, together, we can grow responsibly. We can preserve the heart and soul of Aggieland. We can prepare for what's next. And most importantly, we can show the rest of the world exactly how special, unique, and talented the people here are.
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Texas will be the hub for a lot of major changes going forward.
California and NY had that option but bowed out for political reasons.
It's an incredible opportunity.
Universal travel might run through here.
Unbelievably exciting for Aggies, Texans, Americans, and mankind.
I hope the government stays out of the way (not really local but federal - Bob is solid as they come as we all know).
Let Elon cook.
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benchmark said:

TyHolden said:

Didn't Musk build his own subdivisions and private schools for Giga Texas? I thought I heard that from a friend in that area.

Yes, and according to this March 2023 WSJ article, Musk has a history of wanting to build housing developmentrs (and municipalities) for his employees.

WSJ: Elon Musk Is Planning a Texas Utopia - His Own Town
Quote:

As of last year, Boring employees could apply for a home with rents starting at about $800 a month for a two- or three-bedroom, according to an advertisement for employees viewed by the Journal and people familiar with the plans. If an employee leaves or is fired, he or she would have to vacate the house within 30 days, those people said.

The median rent in Bastrop, Texas, is about $2,200 a month, according to real-estate listing company Zillow

Executives have discussed opening the houses to all employees of Mr. Musk's




Hell of a lock in with the below market rent and the lease ending 30 days after leaving the company. The 30 days to vacate probably doesn't matter much if you are relocating for a new job, but you probably need a significant bump in pay to account for the loss of the housing subsidy.

I would assume given the price that this is more the manufacturing line employees and it might be enough to keep them locked in rather than jumping to another manufacturing line somewhere else nearby.
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Fitch and 30 seems like the most likely area for heavy growth to me. It will be interesting what that area looks like in ten years. Street improvements and infrastructure is going to be essential for that area.
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Captn_Ag05 said:

Fitch and 30 seems like the most likely area for heavy growth to me. It will be interesting what that area looks like in ten years. Street improvements and infrastructure is going to be essential for that area.


They are getting close to finishing the widening of GP between RP and 30. I bet they will have to do it again within the next 5-10 years.
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Captn_Ag05 said:

Fitch and 30 seems like the most likely area for heavy growth to me. It will be interesting what that area looks like in ten years. Street improvements and infrastructure is going to be essential for that area.

The doc who snipped me owns a lot of that acreage.
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Captn_Ag05 said:

Fitch and 30 seems like the most likely area for heavy growth to me. It will be interesting what that area looks like in ten years. Street improvements and infrastructure is going to be essential for that area.


1000%. The inbound and outbound Terafab corridor for College Station is 30 and Fitch. We're ahead of the game- thank you staff and council- as we're resurfacing Fitch now and it's a great gateway for what's coming. Greenfield land is abundant and there are agreements in place for friendly annexations to grow the city's footprint on all sides.

There's plenty of land to serve commercial and residential and mixed use/retail property there and act as a "shock absorber" for the growth to come while not overly stressing the city. But resurfacing Fitch isn't near enough.

To get it done, we'll need plenty of chapter 380 economic development agreements, wisely crafted, and city participation on infrastructure- namely wastewater infrastructure.

Such a strategy would let us leave the city largely intact- albeit growth will come everywhere- while giving growth a place to grow. If ever in the annals of municipal history there was a case to be made for a planned growth district- THIS IS IT.

I will be talking about this area in regards to the budget- which is completely silent on the matter and also leaves no room, as currently proposed, for us to make such investments. I will also be talking about it on the campaign trail- a lot.

The words "SpaceX" or "Terafab" nor any related words even appear in the budget. You elect us to govern the present and set us up for the future. It is my intent to do so.

I am appreciative of the base ingredients that staff and council and council's past have done to set us up for success, but the key ingredients are vision and business acumen and as it relates to Terafab, now approved, those ingredients are in fact missing from this budget, and thus our plans.

I can't state it any plainer than that.

Respectfully and transparently,

Yancy '95
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Can we get another traffic light somewhere between 6 and Pebble Creek? Lots of fast traffic and noise.
Bob Yancy
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Queso1 said:

Can we get another traffic light somewhere between 6 and Pebble Creek? Lots of fast traffic and noise.


One is coming to Pebble already. It's in process.

Respectfully

Yancy '95
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Excellent news!
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Bob Yancy said:

Captn_Ag05 said:

Fitch and 30 seems like the most likely area for heavy growth to me. It will be interesting what that area looks like in ten years. Street improvements and infrastructure is going to be essential for that area.


1000%. The inbound and outbound Terafab corridor for College Station is 30 and Fitch. We're ahead of the game- thank you staff and council- as we're resurfacing Fitch now and it's a great gateway for what's coming. Greenfield land is abundant and there are agreements in place for friendly annexations to grow the city's footprint on all sides.

There's plenty of land to serve commercial and residential and mixed use/retail property there and act as a "shock absorber" for the growth to come while not overly stressing the city. But resurfacing Fitch isn't near enough.

To get it done, we'll need plenty of chapter 380 economic development agreements, wisely crafted, and city participation on infrastructure- namely wastewater infrastructure.

Such a strategy would let us leave the city largely intact- albeit growth will come everywhere- while giving growth a place to grow. If ever in the annals of municipal history there was a case to be made for a planned growth district- THIS IS IT.

I will be talking about this area in regards to the budget- which is completely silent on the matter and also leaves no room, as currently proposed, for us to make such investments. I will also be talking about it on the campaign trail- a lot.

The words "SpaceX" or "Terafab" nor any related words even appear in the budget. You elect us to govern the present and set us up for the future. It is my intent to do so.

I am appreciative of the base ingredients that staff and council and council's past have done to set us up for success, but the key ingredients are vision and business acumen and as it relates to Terafab, now approved, those ingredients are in fact missing from this budget, and thus our plans.

I can't state it any plainer than that.

Respectfully and transparently,

Yancy '95


East loop would have been useful.
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BiochemAg97 said:

Bob Yancy said:

Captn_Ag05 said:

Fitch and 30 seems like the most likely area for heavy growth to me. It will be interesting what that area looks like in ten years. Street improvements and infrastructure is going to be essential for that area.


1000%. The inbound and outbound Terafab corridor for College Station is 30 and Fitch. We're ahead of the game- thank you staff and council- as we're resurfacing Fitch now and it's a great gateway for what's coming. Greenfield land is abundant and there are agreements in place for friendly annexations to grow the city's footprint on all sides.

There's plenty of land to serve commercial and residential and mixed use/retail property there and act as a "shock absorber" for the growth to come while not overly stressing the city. But resurfacing Fitch isn't near enough.

To get it done, we'll need plenty of chapter 380 economic development agreements, wisely crafted, and city participation on infrastructure- namely wastewater infrastructure.

Such a strategy would let us leave the city largely intact- albeit growth will come everywhere- while giving growth a place to grow. If ever in the annals of municipal history there was a case to be made for a planned growth district- THIS IS IT.

I will be talking about this area in regards to the budget- which is completely silent on the matter and also leaves no room, as currently proposed, for us to make such investments. I will also be talking about it on the campaign trail- a lot.

The words "SpaceX" or "Terafab" nor any related words even appear in the budget. You elect us to govern the present and set us up for the future. It is my intent to do so.

I am appreciative of the base ingredients that staff and council and council's past have done to set us up for success, but the key ingredients are vision and business acumen and as it relates to Terafab, now approved, those ingredients are in fact missing from this budget, and thus our plans.

I can't state it any plainer than that.

Respectfully and transparently,

Yancy '95


East loop would have been useful.


I don't know that route in relation to this. I do know plowing new homes is never going to work, and that the East Loop is in the past. The future is ahead of us, and we have miles and miles of greenfield coming inbound and outbound directly to and from SpaceX.

It's a "growth absorption district" waiting to happen. Are we to sit on our hands and let this happen to us, and just hope it all works out while we persistently pursuing our pet projects of the past?

Or, we could plan for growth, facilitate it where it makes sense, foster prosperity and make those needed investments we seem so intent upon in a phased way, or AFTER we do the hard work of visioning and controlling our destiny. THEN the resources will be forthcoming to make the best call, without project ramrodding, breaking the bank and more than doubling the capital budget.

That may sound dramatic- but it's exactly the spot we're standing on.

Respectfully

Yancy '95
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4 lane Peach Creek, connect it just west of the dump. Call it Peach Dump Parkway.

Seriously though, something will need to be done besides just sending everyone through a gauntlet of redlights on Fitch.
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BiochemAg97 said:

Bob Yancy said:

Captn_Ag05 said:

Fitch and 30 seems like the most likely area for heavy growth to me. It will be interesting what that area looks like in ten years. Street improvements and infrastructure is going to be essential for that area.


1000%. The inbound and outbound Terafab corridor for College Station is 30 and Fitch. We're ahead of the game- thank you staff and council- as we're resurfacing Fitch now and it's a great gateway for what's coming. Greenfield land is abundant and there are agreements in place for friendly annexations to grow the city's footprint on all sides.

There's plenty of land to serve commercial and residential and mixed use/retail property there and act as a "shock absorber" for the growth to come while not overly stressing the city. But resurfacing Fitch isn't near enough.

To get it done, we'll need plenty of chapter 380 economic development agreements, wisely crafted, and city participation on infrastructure- namely wastewater infrastructure.

Such a strategy would let us leave the city largely intact- albeit growth will come everywhere- while giving growth a place to grow. If ever in the annals of municipal history there was a case to be made for a planned growth district- THIS IS IT.

I will be talking about this area in regards to the budget- which is completely silent on the matter and also leaves no room, as currently proposed, for us to make such investments. I will also be talking about it on the campaign trail- a lot.

The words "SpaceX" or "Terafab" nor any related words even appear in the budget. You elect us to govern the present and set us up for the future. It is my intent to do so.

I am appreciative of the base ingredients that staff and council and council's past have done to set us up for success, but the key ingredients are vision and business acumen and as it relates to Terafab, now approved, those ingredients are in fact missing from this budget, and thus our plans.

I can't state it any plainer than that.

Respectfully and transparently,

Yancy '95


East loop would have been useful.

It was too far out to be a useful N-S corridor.
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Rex Racer said:

BiochemAg97 said:

Bob Yancy said:

Captn_Ag05 said:

Fitch and 30 seems like the most likely area for heavy growth to me. It will be interesting what that area looks like in ten years. Street improvements and infrastructure is going to be essential for that area.


1000%. The inbound and outbound Terafab corridor for College Station is 30 and Fitch. We're ahead of the game- thank you staff and council- as we're resurfacing Fitch now and it's a great gateway for what's coming. Greenfield land is abundant and there are agreements in place for friendly annexations to grow the city's footprint on all sides.

There's plenty of land to serve commercial and residential and mixed use/retail property there and act as a "shock absorber" for the growth to come while not overly stressing the city. But resurfacing Fitch isn't near enough.

To get it done, we'll need plenty of chapter 380 economic development agreements, wisely crafted, and city participation on infrastructure- namely wastewater infrastructure.

Such a strategy would let us leave the city largely intact- albeit growth will come everywhere- while giving growth a place to grow. If ever in the annals of municipal history there was a case to be made for a planned growth district- THIS IS IT.

I will be talking about this area in regards to the budget- which is completely silent on the matter and also leaves no room, as currently proposed, for us to make such investments. I will also be talking about it on the campaign trail- a lot.

The words "SpaceX" or "Terafab" nor any related words even appear in the budget. You elect us to govern the present and set us up for the future. It is my intent to do so.

I am appreciative of the base ingredients that staff and council and council's past have done to set us up for success, but the key ingredients are vision and business acumen and as it relates to Terafab, now approved, those ingredients are in fact missing from this budget, and thus our plans.

I can't state it any plainer than that.

Respectfully and transparently,

Yancy '95


East loop would have been useful.

It was too far out to be a useful N-S corridor.


Yes, let's plan roads for what we have now and not what we will exist in the future.
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Bob Yancy said:

BiochemAg97 said:

Bob Yancy said:

Captn_Ag05 said:

Fitch and 30 seems like the most likely area for heavy growth to me. It will be interesting what that area looks like in ten years. Street improvements and infrastructure is going to be essential for that area.


1000%. The inbound and outbound Terafab corridor for College Station is 30 and Fitch. We're ahead of the game- thank you staff and council- as we're resurfacing Fitch now and it's a great gateway for what's coming. Greenfield land is abundant and there are agreements in place for friendly annexations to grow the city's footprint on all sides.

There's plenty of land to serve commercial and residential and mixed use/retail property there and act as a "shock absorber" for the growth to come while not overly stressing the city. But resurfacing Fitch isn't near enough.

To get it done, we'll need plenty of chapter 380 economic development agreements, wisely crafted, and city participation on infrastructure- namely wastewater infrastructure.

Such a strategy would let us leave the city largely intact- albeit growth will come everywhere- while giving growth a place to grow. If ever in the annals of municipal history there was a case to be made for a planned growth district- THIS IS IT.

I will be talking about this area in regards to the budget- which is completely silent on the matter and also leaves no room, as currently proposed, for us to make such investments. I will also be talking about it on the campaign trail- a lot.

The words "SpaceX" or "Terafab" nor any related words even appear in the budget. You elect us to govern the present and set us up for the future. It is my intent to do so.

I am appreciative of the base ingredients that staff and council and council's past have done to set us up for success, but the key ingredients are vision and business acumen and as it relates to Terafab, now approved, those ingredients are in fact missing from this budget, and thus our plans.

I can't state it any plainer than that.

Respectfully and transparently,

Yancy '95


East loop would have been useful.


I don't know that route in relation to this. I do know plowing new homes is never going to work, and that the East Loop is in the past. The future is ahead of us, and we have miles and miles of greenfield coming inbound and outbound directly to and from SpaceX.

It's a "growth absorption district" waiting to happen. Are we to sit on our hands and let this happen to us, and just hope it all works out while we persistently pursuing our pet projects of the past?

Or, we could plan for growth, facilitate it where it makes sense, foster prosperity and make those needed investments we seem so intent upon in a phased way, or AFTER we do the hard work of visioning and controlling our destiny. THEN the resources will be forthcoming to make the best call, without project ramrodding, breaking the bank and more than doubling the capital budget.

That may sound dramatic- but it's exactly the spot we're standing on.

Respectfully

Yancy '95


East loop would have extended from 30/fitch and turned north, opening additional greenfield development.

Yes it is in the past, but failing to plan for development on the east side of the county is exactly the problem you are arguing against.

And quite frankly, "plowing new homes" is also a symptom of not planning for growth. East loop had been on the plan for a long time. Securing the right of way before someone builds a subdivision on would have been a good idea. I would suggest CoCS figure out where they will need arterials before all this area gets developed and ensure there is row to do it when it is time.
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BiochemAg97 said:


East loop would have extended from 30/fitch and turned north, opening additional greenfield development.

Yes it is in the past, but failing to plan for development on the east side of the county is exactly the problem you are arguing against.

And quite frankly, "plowing new homes" is also a symptom of not planning for growth. East loop had been on the plan for a long time. Securing the right of way before someone builds a subdivision on would have been a good idea. I would suggest CoCS figure out where they will need arterials before all this area gets developed and ensure there is row to do it when it is time.


I hate the idea of eminent domain. But it's kinda like planting a tree. Best day, was yesterday. Second best day, is today.

This town is going to have to have loops. The rivers complicate things and the more we push up against them the worse it's going to get. Now add in terafab. Sooner the better!
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BiochemAg97 said:

Bob Yancy said:

BiochemAg97 said:

Bob Yancy said:

Captn_Ag05 said:

Fitch and 30 seems like the most likely area for heavy growth to me. It will be interesting what that area looks like in ten years. Street improvements and infrastructure is going to be essential for that area.


1000%. The inbound and outbound Terafab corridor for College Station is 30 and Fitch. We're ahead of the game- thank you staff and council- as we're resurfacing Fitch now and it's a great gateway for what's coming. Greenfield land is abundant and there are agreements in place for friendly annexations to grow the city's footprint on all sides.

There's plenty of land to serve commercial and residential and mixed use/retail property there and act as a "shock absorber" for the growth to come while not overly stressing the city. But resurfacing Fitch isn't near enough.

To get it done, we'll need plenty of chapter 380 economic development agreements, wisely crafted, and city participation on infrastructure- namely wastewater infrastructure.

Such a strategy would let us leave the city largely intact- albeit growth will come everywhere- while giving growth a place to grow. If ever in the annals of municipal history there was a case to be made for a planned growth district- THIS IS IT.

I will be talking about this area in regards to the budget- which is completely silent on the matter and also leaves no room, as currently proposed, for us to make such investments. I will also be talking about it on the campaign trail- a lot.

The words "SpaceX" or "Terafab" nor any related words even appear in the budget. You elect us to govern the present and set us up for the future. It is my intent to do so.

I am appreciative of the base ingredients that staff and council and council's past have done to set us up for success, but the key ingredients are vision and business acumen and as it relates to Terafab, now approved, those ingredients are in fact missing from this budget, and thus our plans.

I can't state it any plainer than that.

Respectfully and transparently,

Yancy '95


East loop would have been useful.


I don't know that route in relation to this. I do know plowing new homes is never going to work, and that the East Loop is in the past. The future is ahead of us, and we have miles and miles of greenfield coming inbound and outbound directly to and from SpaceX.

It's a "growth absorption district" waiting to happen. Are we to sit on our hands and let this happen to us, and just hope it all works out while we persistently pursuing our pet projects of the past?

Or, we could plan for growth, facilitate it where it makes sense, foster prosperity and make those needed investments we seem so intent upon in a phased way, or AFTER we do the hard work of visioning and controlling our destiny. THEN the resources will be forthcoming to make the best call, without project ramrodding, breaking the bank and more than doubling the capital budget.

That may sound dramatic- but it's exactly the spot we're standing on.

Respectfully

Yancy '95


East loop would have extended from 30/fitch and turned north, opening additional greenfield development.

Yes it is in the past, but failing to plan for development on the east side of the county is exactly the problem you are arguing against.

And quite frankly, "plowing new homes" is also a symptom of not planning for growth. East loop had been on the plan for a long time. Securing the right of way before someone builds a subdivision on would have been a good idea. I would suggest CoCS figure out where they will need arterials before all this area gets developed and ensure there is row to do it when it is time.


Fair opinions that don't require my agreement or disagreement.

As for your last sentence- we already have the biggest, emptiest most undeveloped arterial in the county- and it's the fastest route to SpaceX. It's William D. Fitch.

Respectfully

Yancy '95
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I am very thankful you are leading the charge on this. It's an important time to have a visionary leader.

How much land are you talking on the annexation front?
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Captn_Ag05 said:

I am very thankful you are leading the charge on this. It's an important time to have a visionary leader.

How much land are you talking on the annexation front?


That's kind of you to say.

Via voluntary annexation agreements in place that run with the land, they will add approximately 50% more to the currently remaining developable acreage in our city.

This area constitutes a "growth shock absorber," that managed correctly, could bring unprecedented prosperity, jobs, housing and quality of life development in a strategically managed way.

Have a wonderful evening, and good luck to us all.

Respectfully and transparently,

Yancy '95 Place 5
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BiochemAg97 said:

Rex Racer said:

BiochemAg97 said:

Bob Yancy said:

Captn_Ag05 said:

Fitch and 30 seems like the most likely area for heavy growth to me. It will be interesting what that area looks like in ten years. Street improvements and infrastructure is going to be essential for that area.


1000%. The inbound and outbound Terafab corridor for College Station is 30 and Fitch. We're ahead of the game- thank you staff and council- as we're resurfacing Fitch now and it's a great gateway for what's coming. Greenfield land is abundant and there are agreements in place for friendly annexations to grow the city's footprint on all sides.

There's plenty of land to serve commercial and residential and mixed use/retail property there and act as a "shock absorber" for the growth to come while not overly stressing the city. But resurfacing Fitch isn't near enough.

To get it done, we'll need plenty of chapter 380 economic development agreements, wisely crafted, and city participation on infrastructure- namely wastewater infrastructure.

Such a strategy would let us leave the city largely intact- albeit growth will come everywhere- while giving growth a place to grow. If ever in the annals of municipal history there was a case to be made for a planned growth district- THIS IS IT.

I will be talking about this area in regards to the budget- which is completely silent on the matter and also leaves no room, as currently proposed, for us to make such investments. I will also be talking about it on the campaign trail- a lot.

The words "SpaceX" or "Terafab" nor any related words even appear in the budget. You elect us to govern the present and set us up for the future. It is my intent to do so.

I am appreciative of the base ingredients that staff and council and council's past have done to set us up for success, but the key ingredients are vision and business acumen and as it relates to Terafab, now approved, those ingredients are in fact missing from this budget, and thus our plans.

I can't state it any plainer than that.

Respectfully and transparently,

Yancy '95


East loop would have been useful.

It was too far out to be a useful N-S corridor.


Yes, let's plan roads for what we have now and not what we will exist in the future.

You can plan for new roads without planning one to go right through the dam on someone's private lake. (A friend of mine owns said property.)

Besides, the freaking interstate highway loop is going out there one day, and potentially sooner now.
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Bob Yancy said:

BiochemAg97 said:

Bob Yancy said:

BiochemAg97 said:

Bob Yancy said:

Captn_Ag05 said:

Fitch and 30 seems like the most likely area for heavy growth to me. It will be interesting what that area looks like in ten years. Street improvements and infrastructure is going to be essential for that area.


1000%. The inbound and outbound Terafab corridor for College Station is 30 and Fitch. We're ahead of the game- thank you staff and council- as we're resurfacing Fitch now and it's a great gateway for what's coming. Greenfield land is abundant and there are agreements in place for friendly annexations to grow the city's footprint on all sides.

There's plenty of land to serve commercial and residential and mixed use/retail property there and act as a "shock absorber" for the growth to come while not overly stressing the city. But resurfacing Fitch isn't near enough.

To get it done, we'll need plenty of chapter 380 economic development agreements, wisely crafted, and city participation on infrastructure- namely wastewater infrastructure.

Such a strategy would let us leave the city largely intact- albeit growth will come everywhere- while giving growth a place to grow. If ever in the annals of municipal history there was a case to be made for a planned growth district- THIS IS IT.

I will be talking about this area in regards to the budget- which is completely silent on the matter and also leaves no room, as currently proposed, for us to make such investments. I will also be talking about it on the campaign trail- a lot.

The words "SpaceX" or "Terafab" nor any related words even appear in the budget. You elect us to govern the present and set us up for the future. It is my intent to do so.

I am appreciative of the base ingredients that staff and council and council's past have done to set us up for success, but the key ingredients are vision and business acumen and as it relates to Terafab, now approved, those ingredients are in fact missing from this budget, and thus our plans.

I can't state it any plainer than that.

Respectfully and transparently,

Yancy '95


East loop would have been useful.


I don't know that route in relation to this. I do know plowing new homes is never going to work, and that the East Loop is in the past. The future is ahead of us, and we have miles and miles of greenfield coming inbound and outbound directly to and from SpaceX.

It's a "growth absorption district" waiting to happen. Are we to sit on our hands and let this happen to us, and just hope it all works out while we persistently pursuing our pet projects of the past?

Or, we could plan for growth, facilitate it where it makes sense, foster prosperity and make those needed investments we seem so intent upon in a phased way, or AFTER we do the hard work of visioning and controlling our destiny. THEN the resources will be forthcoming to make the best call, without project ramrodding, breaking the bank and more than doubling the capital budget.

That may sound dramatic- but it's exactly the spot we're standing on.

Respectfully

Yancy '95


East loop would have extended from 30/fitch and turned north, opening additional greenfield development.

Yes it is in the past, but failing to plan for development on the east side of the county is exactly the problem you are arguing against.

And quite frankly, "plowing new homes" is also a symptom of not planning for growth. East loop had been on the plan for a long time. Securing the right of way before someone builds a subdivision on would have been a good idea. I would suggest CoCS figure out where they will need arterials before all this area gets developed and ensure there is row to do it when it is time.


Fair opinions that don't require my agreement or disagreement.

As for your last sentence- we already have the biggest, emptiest most undeveloped arterial in the county- and it's the fastest route to SpaceX. It's William D. Fitch.

Respectfully

Yancy '95

The primary bottleneck in this development continues to be the High 30 bridge spanning the Navasota. This is a low, one-mile-long, narrow highway across a river and a major stream is frequently utilized by large garbage trucks, and the situation is expected to deteriorate further with the Terafab development. A significant flood or an accident on this route would completely halt all traffic.

At present, I do not see TxDOT rushing to improve it.
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doubledog said:

Bob Yancy said:

BiochemAg97 said:

Bob Yancy said:

BiochemAg97 said:

Bob Yancy said:

Captn_Ag05 said:

Fitch and 30 seems like the most likely area for heavy growth to me. It will be interesting what that area looks like in ten years. Street improvements and infrastructure is going to be essential for that area.


1000%. The inbound and outbound Terafab corridor for College Station is 30 and Fitch. We're ahead of the game- thank you staff and council- as we're resurfacing Fitch now and it's a great gateway for what's coming. Greenfield land is abundant and there are agreements in place for friendly annexations to grow the city's footprint on all sides.

There's plenty of land to serve commercial and residential and mixed use/retail property there and act as a "shock absorber" for the growth to come while not overly stressing the city. But resurfacing Fitch isn't near enough.

To get it done, we'll need plenty of chapter 380 economic development agreements, wisely crafted, and city participation on infrastructure- namely wastewater infrastructure.

Such a strategy would let us leave the city largely intact- albeit growth will come everywhere- while giving growth a place to grow. If ever in the annals of municipal history there was a case to be made for a planned growth district- THIS IS IT.

I will be talking about this area in regards to the budget- which is completely silent on the matter and also leaves no room, as currently proposed, for us to make such investments. I will also be talking about it on the campaign trail- a lot.

The words "SpaceX" or "Terafab" nor any related words even appear in the budget. You elect us to govern the present and set us up for the future. It is my intent to do so.

I am appreciative of the base ingredients that staff and council and council's past have done to set us up for success, but the key ingredients are vision and business acumen and as it relates to Terafab, now approved, those ingredients are in fact missing from this budget, and thus our plans.

I can't state it any plainer than that.

Respectfully and transparently,

Yancy '95


East loop would have been useful.


I don't know that route in relation to this. I do know plowing new homes is never going to work, and that the East Loop is in the past. The future is ahead of us, and we have miles and miles of greenfield coming inbound and outbound directly to and from SpaceX.

It's a "growth absorption district" waiting to happen. Are we to sit on our hands and let this happen to us, and just hope it all works out while we persistently pursuing our pet projects of the past?

Or, we could plan for growth, facilitate it where it makes sense, foster prosperity and make those needed investments we seem so intent upon in a phased way, or AFTER we do the hard work of visioning and controlling our destiny. THEN the resources will be forthcoming to make the best call, without project ramrodding, breaking the bank and more than doubling the capital budget.

That may sound dramatic- but it's exactly the spot we're standing on.

Respectfully

Yancy '95


East loop would have extended from 30/fitch and turned north, opening additional greenfield development.

Yes it is in the past, but failing to plan for development on the east side of the county is exactly the problem you are arguing against.

And quite frankly, "plowing new homes" is also a symptom of not planning for growth. East loop had been on the plan for a long time. Securing the right of way before someone builds a subdivision on would have been a good idea. I would suggest CoCS figure out where they will need arterials before all this area gets developed and ensure there is row to do it when it is time.


Fair opinions that don't require my agreement or disagreement.

As for your last sentence- we already have the biggest, emptiest most undeveloped arterial in the county- and it's the fastest route to SpaceX. It's William D. Fitch.

Respectfully

Yancy '95

The primary bottleneck in this development continues to be the High 30 bridge spanning the Navasota. This is a low, one-mile-long, narrow highway across a river and a major stream is frequently utilized by large garbage trucks, and the situation is expected to deteriorate further with the Terafab development. A significant flood or an accident on this route would completely halt all traffic.

At present, I do not see TxDOT rushing to improve it.


The last time I was out there, TxDOT was working on 4 different spots along that stretch, including a project right by Gibbons Creek.

I'll drive it today to see exactly what you and others are referring to as I've had some Texags direct messages since we started discussing this, too.

Respectfully

Yancy '95
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Bob Yancy said:

doubledog said:

Bob Yancy said:

BiochemAg97 said:

Bob Yancy said:

BiochemAg97 said:

Bob Yancy said:

Captn_Ag05 said:

Fitch and 30 seems like the most likely area for heavy growth to me. It will be interesting what that area looks like in ten years. Street improvements and infrastructure is going to be essential for that area.


1000%. The inbound and outbound Terafab corridor for College Station is 30 and Fitch. We're ahead of the game- thank you staff and council- as we're resurfacing Fitch now and it's a great gateway for what's coming. Greenfield land is abundant and there are agreements in place for friendly annexations to grow the city's footprint on all sides.

There's plenty of land to serve commercial and residential and mixed use/retail property there and act as a "shock absorber" for the growth to come while not overly stressing the city. But resurfacing Fitch isn't near enough.

To get it done, we'll need plenty of chapter 380 economic development agreements, wisely crafted, and city participation on infrastructure- namely wastewater infrastructure.

Such a strategy would let us leave the city largely intact- albeit growth will come everywhere- while giving growth a place to grow. If ever in the annals of municipal history there was a case to be made for a planned growth district- THIS IS IT.

I will be talking about this area in regards to the budget- which is completely silent on the matter and also leaves no room, as currently proposed, for us to make such investments. I will also be talking about it on the campaign trail- a lot.

The words "SpaceX" or "Terafab" nor any related words even appear in the budget. You elect us to govern the present and set us up for the future. It is my intent to do so.

I am appreciative of the base ingredients that staff and council and council's past have done to set us up for success, but the key ingredients are vision and business acumen and as it relates to Terafab, now approved, those ingredients are in fact missing from this budget, and thus our plans.

I can't state it any plainer than that.

Respectfully and transparently,

Yancy '95


East loop would have been useful.


I don't know that route in relation to this. I do know plowing new homes is never going to work, and that the East Loop is in the past. The future is ahead of us, and we have miles and miles of greenfield coming inbound and outbound directly to and from SpaceX.

It's a "growth absorption district" waiting to happen. Are we to sit on our hands and let this happen to us, and just hope it all works out while we persistently pursuing our pet projects of the past?

Or, we could plan for growth, facilitate it where it makes sense, foster prosperity and make those needed investments we seem so intent upon in a phased way, or AFTER we do the hard work of visioning and controlling our destiny. THEN the resources will be forthcoming to make the best call, without project ramrodding, breaking the bank and more than doubling the capital budget.

That may sound dramatic- but it's exactly the spot we're standing on.

Respectfully

Yancy '95


East loop would have extended from 30/fitch and turned north, opening additional greenfield development.

Yes it is in the past, but failing to plan for development on the east side of the county is exactly the problem you are arguing against.

And quite frankly, "plowing new homes" is also a symptom of not planning for growth. East loop had been on the plan for a long time. Securing the right of way before someone builds a subdivision on would have been a good idea. I would suggest CoCS figure out where they will need arterials before all this area gets developed and ensure there is row to do it when it is time.


Fair opinions that don't require my agreement or disagreement.

As for your last sentence- we already have the biggest, emptiest most undeveloped arterial in the county- and it's the fastest route to SpaceX. It's William D. Fitch.

Respectfully

Yancy '95

The primary bottleneck in this development continues to be the High 30 bridge spanning the Navasota. This is a low, one-mile-long, narrow highway across a river and a major stream is frequently utilized by large garbage trucks, and the situation is expected to deteriorate further with the Terafab development. A significant flood or an accident on this route would completely halt all traffic.

At present, I do not see TxDOT rushing to improve it.


The last time I was out there, TxDOT was working on 4 different spots along that stretch, including a project right by Gibbons Creek.

I'll drive it today to see exactly what you and others are referring to as I've had some Texags direct messages since we started discussing this, too.

Respectfully

Yancy '95


Ideally, with Terafab going in, the Hwy-30 corridor should be the southern leg of I-14. The stretch from Fitch to King Oaks Dr should be a continuous bridge because that entire stretch goes over Navasota River flood plain. Most of that stretch currently goes along a levee. Making the levee wider seems impractical.
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BuddysBud said:

Bob Yancy said:

doubledog said:

Bob Yancy said:

BiochemAg97 said:

Bob Yancy said:

BiochemAg97 said:

Bob Yancy said:

Captn_Ag05 said:

Fitch and 30 seems like the most likely area for heavy growth to me. It will be interesting what that area looks like in ten years. Street improvements and infrastructure is going to be essential for that area.


1000%. The inbound and outbound Terafab corridor for College Station is 30 and Fitch. We're ahead of the game- thank you staff and council- as we're resurfacing Fitch now and it's a great gateway for what's coming. Greenfield land is abundant and there are agreements in place for friendly annexations to grow the city's footprint on all sides.

There's plenty of land to serve commercial and residential and mixed use/retail property there and act as a "shock absorber" for the growth to come while not overly stressing the city. But resurfacing Fitch isn't near enough.

To get it done, we'll need plenty of chapter 380 economic development agreements, wisely crafted, and city participation on infrastructure- namely wastewater infrastructure.

Such a strategy would let us leave the city largely intact- albeit growth will come everywhere- while giving growth a place to grow. If ever in the annals of municipal history there was a case to be made for a planned growth district- THIS IS IT.

I will be talking about this area in regards to the budget- which is completely silent on the matter and also leaves no room, as currently proposed, for us to make such investments. I will also be talking about it on the campaign trail- a lot.

The words "SpaceX" or "Terafab" nor any related words even appear in the budget. You elect us to govern the present and set us up for the future. It is my intent to do so.

I am appreciative of the base ingredients that staff and council and council's past have done to set us up for success, but the key ingredients are vision and business acumen and as it relates to Terafab, now approved, those ingredients are in fact missing from this budget, and thus our plans.

I can't state it any plainer than that.

Respectfully and transparently,

Yancy '95


East loop would have been useful.


I don't know that route in relation to this. I do know plowing new homes is never going to work, and that the East Loop is in the past. The future is ahead of us, and we have miles and miles of greenfield coming inbound and outbound directly to and from SpaceX.

It's a "growth absorption district" waiting to happen. Are we to sit on our hands and let this happen to us, and just hope it all works out while we persistently pursuing our pet projects of the past?

Or, we could plan for growth, facilitate it where it makes sense, foster prosperity and make those needed investments we seem so intent upon in a phased way, or AFTER we do the hard work of visioning and controlling our destiny. THEN the resources will be forthcoming to make the best call, without project ramrodding, breaking the bank and more than doubling the capital budget.

That may sound dramatic- but it's exactly the spot we're standing on.

Respectfully

Yancy '95


East loop would have extended from 30/fitch and turned north, opening additional greenfield development.

Yes it is in the past, but failing to plan for development on the east side of the county is exactly the problem you are arguing against.

And quite frankly, "plowing new homes" is also a symptom of not planning for growth. East loop had been on the plan for a long time. Securing the right of way before someone builds a subdivision on would have been a good idea. I would suggest CoCS figure out where they will need arterials before all this area gets developed and ensure there is row to do it when it is time.


Fair opinions that don't require my agreement or disagreement.

As for your last sentence- we already have the biggest, emptiest most undeveloped arterial in the county- and it's the fastest route to SpaceX. It's William D. Fitch.

Respectfully

Yancy '95

The primary bottleneck in this development continues to be the High 30 bridge spanning the Navasota. This is a low, one-mile-long, narrow highway across a river and a major stream is frequently utilized by large garbage trucks, and the situation is expected to deteriorate further with the Terafab development. A significant flood or an accident on this route would completely halt all traffic.

At present, I do not see TxDOT rushing to improve it.


The last time I was out there, TxDOT was working on 4 different spots along that stretch, including a project right by Gibbons Creek.

I'll drive it today to see exactly what you and others are referring to as I've had some Texags direct messages since we started discussing this, too.

Respectfully

Yancy '95


Ideally, with Terafab going in, the Hwy-30 corridor should be the southern leg of I-14. The stretch from Fitch to King Oaks Dr should be a continuous bridge because that entire stretch goes over Navasota River flood plain. Most of that stretch currently goes along a levee. Making the levee wider seems impractical.


I believe that work is underway…

From TxDOT's website …

Proposed improvements
Replace and widen the bridges over the Navasota River, Navasota River Relief No. 1, and Navasota River Relief No. 2.
Widen SH 30 from two lanes to four lanes with a center two-way left turn lane and 10' shoulders.
The proposed project requires additional right-of-way on the north side of the roadway.
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doubledog said:

The primary bottleneck in this development continues to be the High 30 bridge spanning the Navasota. This is a low, one-mile-long, narrow highway across a river and a major stream is frequently utilized by large garbage trucks, and the situation is expected to deteriorate further with the Terafab development. A significant flood or an accident on this route would completely halt all traffic.

At present, I do not see TxDOT rushing to improve it.


Another crossing would definitely be wise. There's already right of way in place all the way down peach creek and to the river itself at the end of Sulphur Springs Rd. The river bottom is really narrow there so bridging would be minimal compared to the 30 crossing. From Sulphur Springs to the landfill is then a short shot.

Also need to be looking at improving the road and bridge at Long Trussel.
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BuddysBud said:

Bob Yancy said:


The last time I was out there, TxDOT was working on 4 different spots along that stretch, including a project right by Gibbons Creek.

I'll drive it today to see exactly what you and others are referring to as I've had some Texags direct messages since we started discussing this, too.

Respectfully

Yancy '95


Ideally, with Terafab going in, the Hwy-30 corridor should be the southern leg of I-14. The stretch from Fitch to King Oaks Dr should be a continuous bridge because that entire stretch goes over Navasota River flood plain. Most of that stretch currently goes along a levee. Making the levee wider seems impractical.


That "levee" is also a contributor to flooding. Hopefully when they rework it, they'll go with more bridge and less dirt.
 
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