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In reply to maverick2076 • 9:27a, 5/2/26
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I highly doubt they are personally writing these letters. They are drafted by a lawyer or public affairs cunsultant.

Disagree. My nephew who lost a daughter knows the Stewards. Cile's mom wrote that.
i think the Eastlands and the Mystic supporters are finally coming to the realization how big of a deal 27 deaths under their watch was.
And that you can't just go on like nothing really happened. Because that is exactly how their actions have been perceived by the families.
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9:42a, 5/2/26
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Houston Chronicle OPED

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9:57a, 5/2/26
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There's no way the camp can open half and not need to remodel the damaged infrastructure which is against the order and that's where I have a beef. I don't care that they want to open. Life goes on, they have business, bills don't stop coming, go for it. But, if you have to violate an order and destroy evidence in the middle of an investigation to do it when you have legal minds working at the camp….i can't just overlook that. I can't just do whatever the **** I want with my business and I fully expect them to follow laws as well. They don't just have some rag tag legal team either so I'm curious about the mindset on that. Were they told by the legal team "hey, if you just remodel this way we can make a case for not damaging evidence?" Or what? Is there a timeline of when then remodeling happened vs when the court order was officially put in place?
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In reply to Senator Blutarski • 10:06a, 5/2/26
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Senator Blutarski said:
Houston Chronicle OPED



I am blocked by a paywall. I read the first part and was not impressed. Unless they interviewed and got the opinion of at least one parent who lost a child then their opinion means nothing to me.

The author is entitled to her opinion but she doesn't get it. Myatic is not more important than 27 lives and she doesn't get that.
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10:07a, 5/2/26
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It's two separate camps, with separate entrances, separate facilities, separate activity areas.

ETA a quote from the oped: " And better than most families, we understand the alacrity and horrific power of the July 4 flood. One of my sisters and my niece also lost their lives that night not at Camp Mystic, but at the vacation home my parents built in 1976, three miles downriver from Camp Mystic's site on the Guadalupe."

" But not in July 2025. In a matter of minutes the floodwaters forced open the bolted front door. Rushing water crested over the house with such force that it was swept off its foundation, taking my niece and my sister with it."
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In reply to Senator Blutarski • 10:21a, 5/2/26
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Senator Blutarski said:
It's two separate camps, with separate entrances, separate facilities, separate activity areas.

ETA a quote from the oped: " And better than most families, we understand the alacrity and horrific power of the July 4 flood. One of my sisters and my niece also lost their lives that night not at Camp Mystic, but at the vacation home my parents built in 1976, three miles downriver from Camp Mystic's site on the Guadalupe."

" But not in July 2025. In a matter of minutes the floodwaters forced open the bolted front door. Rushing water crested over the house with such force that it was swept off its foundation, taking my niece and my sister with it."


The Eastlands have to go. Period.

When the majority of the Heaven 27 parents are okay with re opening then I am okay with it. They are the important ones here. Not the Eastlands. Not past or future campers. The author just does not get it.
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In reply to Senator Blutarski • 10:23a, 5/2/26
Right there is the difference between a "flood" and a "tsunami"
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In reply to KerrAg76 • 10:33a, 5/2/26
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Right there is the difference between a "flood" and a "tsunami"


The time line shows there was plenty of time to safely evacuate everybody. The long video provided by Badace is very informative and worth a watch.
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In reply to dermdoc • 10:34a, 5/2/26
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dermdoc said:
Senator Blutarski said:
Houston Chronicle OPED



I am blocked by a paywall. I read the first part and was not impressed. Unless they interviewed and got the opinion of at least one parent who lost a child then their opinion means nothing to me.

The author is entitled to her opinion but she doesn't get it. Myatic is not more important than 27 lives and she doesn't get that.


You can click "view in reader" on an iPhone to bypass the paywall, but if you aren't a fan of irony and selfish entitlement you wouldn't appreciate it.
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10:37a, 5/2/26
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Yeah I'll just say there's a difference between an individual person's/family's duties/obligations and an entity who is entrusted with the care and custody of hundreds of young girls.

Welp we were surprised too and also lost lives so Mystic isn't at fault either is very flawed logic. Plus I'm guessing there's some amount of justifying their own unpreparedness/bad decisions in that op Ed.

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In reply to Senator Blutarski • 10:39a, 5/2/26
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Senator Blutarski said:
It's two separate camps, with separate entrances, separate facilities, separate activity areas.

ETA a quote from the oped: " And better than most families, we understand the alacrity and horrific power of the July 4 flood. One of my sisters and my niece also lost their lives that night not at Camp Mystic, but at the vacation home my parents built in 1976, three miles downriver from Camp Mystic's site on the Guadalupe."

" But not in July 2025. In a matter of minutes the floodwaters forced open the bolted front door. Rushing water crested over the house with such force that it was swept off its foundation, taking my niece and my sister with it."


My nephew who lost a girl said it best "Everybody says Oh I can't imagine what you are going through.. I want to say yes you can, you just don't want to go there".

He said everyday when he walks by Mary Grace's bedroom door it hits him again. He said the worst thing is he keeps finding little things of hers around the house.

Until the parents are okay with re opening any Mystic camp, they should not open in my opinion.
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In reply to jh0400 • 10:40a, 5/2/26
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jh0400 said:
dermdoc said:
Senator Blutarski said:
Houston Chronicle OPED



I am blocked by a paywall. I read the first part and was not impressed. Unless they interviewed and got the opinion of at least one parent who lost a child then their opinion means nothing to me.

The author is entitled to her opinion but she doesn't get it. Myatic is not more important than 27 lives and she doesn't get that.


You can click "view in reader" on an iPhone to bypass the paywall, but if you aren't a fan of irony and selfish entitlement you wouldn't appreciate it.


No thanks. I got the gist from the little I read.
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In reply to MAS444 • 10:42a, 5/2/26
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Yeah I'll just say there's a difference between an individual person's/family's duties/obligations and an entity who is entrusted with the care and custody of hundreds of young girls.



They don't get it. And like my nephew said so well they choose not to.
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In reply to MAS444 • 11:11a, 5/2/26
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Absolutely - but it doesn't mean people need to completely dismiss the tragedy up and down the Guadalupe. It's a horrible tragedy even if it was nobody's fault and just a horrible natural disaster. It's a horrible tragedy if it was somebody's fault as well. Politicians who all of a sudden care about this issue are doing it for one reason. Politics is never going to result in adequate solutions.

It's turned strange in some wierd ways when if people even try to say care about these other deaths too the response is almost shut the **** up and don't draw attention to that.
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In reply to Senator Blutarski • 11:14a, 5/2/26
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Senator Blutarski said:
Houston Chronicle OPED



http://archive.today/bojjf

Should deal with paywall.
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In reply to Alta • 11:16a, 5/2/26
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Agree.
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In reply to Alta • 11:37a, 5/2/26
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Alta said:
Absolutely - but it doesn't mean people need to completely dismiss the tragedy up and down the Guadalupe. It's a horrible tragedy even if it was nobody's fault and just a horrible natural disaster. It's a horrible tragedy if it was somebody's fault as well. Politicians who all of a sudden care about this issue are doing it for one reason. Politics is never going to result in adequate solutions.

It's turned strange in some wierd ways when if people even try to say care about these other deaths too the response is almost shut the **** up and don't draw attention to that.


I care about those deaths. The topic is Camp Mystic and the legal ramifications. Unfortunately, it is clear that without the pols Mystic was going to re open. I am grateful for the Governor and Lieutenant governor. You are entitled to your opinion as am I.
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11:52a, 5/2/26
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Have the pols said what they will do about the other 91 deaths? Is Camp LaJunta (where cabins floated away with people in them) going to be able to reopen? The RV parks on the river?

Heart of the Hills was literally wiped off the map, so it is being rebuilt elsewhere. But is the state looking into why its cabins (thankfully empty) were more impacted than Mystic?

Are the pols doing a good job of investigating if not once it was mentioned that the NWS just a couple of weeks ago classified this as a 1,000 year flood? Seems relevant to a committee called the "July 4 Flood Committee".

I too grieve for the girls and their families. I would be beside myself with anger about the entire ordeal if it was my family. My faith would be tested beyond measure. But I am not impressed with the job these politicians are doing.
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In reply to Senator Blutarski • 11:58a, 5/2/26
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Have the pols said what they will do about the other 91 deaths? Is Camp LaJunta (where cabins floated away with people in them) going to be able to reopen? The RV parks on the river?

Heart of the Hills was literally wiped off the map, so it is being rebuilt elsewhere. But is the state looking into why its cabins (thankfully empty) were more impacted than Mystic?

Are the pols doing a good job of investigating if not once it was mentioned that the NWS just a couple of weeks ago classified this as a 1,000 year flood? Seems relevant to a committee called the "July 4 Flood Committee".

I too grieve for the girls and their families. I would be beside myself with anger about the entire ordeal if it was my family. My faith would be tested beyond measure. But I am not impressed with the job these politicians are doing.
the issue with talking about the 91 is where the discussion goes there, and they don't want that. But, the entire Hill Country sees what's going on.
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In reply to Fdsa • 12:02p, 5/2/26
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In reply to jh0400 • 12:08p, 5/2/26
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Is it?

Question is, will the judge allow evidence/testimony on anything other than the actions of the Eastlands?
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In reply to Fdsa • 12:11p, 5/2/26
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This is the answer. It's unfortunately all politics which is not the answer. What happened at Mystic is a tragedy. What happened to the other 91 is a tragedy. Nothing a politician or a jury does will change that.

I don't need a politician to decide (more than already exists) on the decisions my wife and I make for our family. There is too much of that already. We are responsible for those decisions.

And what a jury decides will not (nor should it) change people's minds as to what occurred. It will decide financial responsibility in a very imperfect way. I could go on a long rant about this part of our legal system but that will be way off topic.

People should gather information and form their own opinion. And use that information to inform decisions they make moving forward. That' is personal freedom and what we need more of in this country and not less of.

And it's possible to have the above beliefs and care deeply about not only the Mystic girls but the other 91 who lost their lives last year (and in our case be very close personally to multiple of the Mystic families).
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In reply to Gator92 • 12:28p, 5/2/26
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Why would they? Do the actions of others have anything to do with the specific actions of the Eastlands leading up to and during the events of July 4, 2025?

Maybe there is something cultural in the area that outsiders don't understand, but to anyone that hasn't been indoctrinated their actions in the days since are a headscratcher. I'm not from the area nor do I have any direct experience with the Eastlands or their camp, but I was shocked when I saw on the news that they planned to reopen when by all accounts they should have been preparing to be the defendants in nine figures worth of wrongful death suits. Then it comes out that they apparently more effort into becoming judgment proof than preparing for a potential flood when they are entrusted with the welfare of hundreds of children.

The fact that it was a tragic event affecting hundreds and that the Eastlands are potentially directly liable for the deaths of 27 are not mutually exclusive.
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In reply to jh0400 • 12:33p, 5/2/26
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That will be the challenge plaintiffs face. Not only finding a jury that hasn't heard about the event, but keeping out the circumstances of the flood.
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In reply to Alta • 12:42p, 5/2/26
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Alta said:
This is the answer. It's unfortunately all politics which is not the answer. What happened at Mystic is a tragedy. What happened to the other 91 is a tragedy. Nothing a politician or a jury does will change that.

I don't need a politician to decide (more than already exists) on the decisions my wife and I make for our family. There is too much of that already. We are responsible for those decisions.

And what a jury decides will not (nor should it) change people's minds as to what occurred. It will decide financial responsibility in a very imperfect way. I could go on a long rant about this part of our legal system but that will be way off topic.

People should gather information and form their own opinion. And use that information to inform decisions they make moving forward. That' is personal freedom and what we need more of in this country and not less of.

And it's possible to have the above beliefs and care deeply about not only the Mystic girls but the other 91 who lost their lives last year (and in our case be very close personally to multiple of the Mystic families).


Fair enough. Y'all do understand that Mystic has an entire different liability and responsibility than me taking my family out to camp on the Guadalupe?
And from watching the timeline video provided y Badace, my opinion is that with just a little planning in these deaths would have been easily prevented. And I despise pols but Mystic was going to re open unless they stopped them. And I am thankful for that. I know we disagree but I respect your opinion.
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In reply to Gator92 • 12:55p, 5/2/26
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A skilled plaintiff's attorney should be able to direct focus accordingly. IMO, the bigger challenge will be collecting on any judgement due to the layer cake ownership structure that protects the real asset.
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In reply to MAS444 • 1:39p, 5/2/26
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MAS444 said:
Agree.


I'd consider you an expert here, what's your take? Yes, I know nothing's a slam dunk, but is this a slam dunk for the plaintiffs? What would you guess damages end up being?
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