Ahh, I had heard the Cowboys deal was lower but "close enough"

Good points here. Whether you think this deal was the right thing to do or not, it's going to be a leverage point moving forward.

However you felt about the way things went down on Tuesday this is an important point.

A lot of attention is now on that clause. It is likely a discussion point for many players in the future.

Maybe that's not a big deal, hopefully it isn't. https://t.co/Db7Khr7ZKP

— Blogging The Boys (@BloggingTheBoys) March 16, 2022

DannyDuberstein said:

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Where are these "Stephen isn't liked or respected around the league" stories? Other than a guy that didnt get the first offer he wanted (who is 30 and missed 10 games this year btw) and Gregory. Would be curious to see links.

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I've seen a number of folks on twitter reference it. Obviously, no major media guy is going on record with this type of thing. There's a ton of folks that are dialed in with this team that follow this stuff a lot more closely than we do - Blogging the Boys, Cavanaugh, Sturm, etc....

It really isn't that difficult to go down that path when you read between the lines.

And let's not forget the fact that they almost completely botched the Dak deal. In some ways, they did because they could have had his deal done a year sooner with much less $ involved.

I do not think playing good cop bad cop is a feasible long term strategy. Of course, you have to give them credit for actually doing this which I'm not sure they are....The NFL is a very small world. There are not a ton of agents out there....I just don't think you can continue to try and bully people and maintain the respect needed to move forward with these folks.

They certainly botched the Dak and Zeke negotiations big time. Hard to know how much of those two fiascoes came from Jerry's age and trying to get one more while he's still in the big chair.

Yeah, I didn't even mention the Zeke deal. That one is far and away the worst deal they've done recently.

Ok, so where are the tweets prior to this week? Stephen's rep so far has partly been from talking Jerry out of crazy ***** Like drafting Johnny Football

Danny, we were just talking about how they did a terrible job with Dak and Zeke...don't act like the negativity surrounding Stephen is new.

Florio is about as big as you get from the national media...here's his take.



He makes a good point at the end about going on the record.

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Danny, we were just talking about how they did a terrible job with Dak and Zeke...don't act like the negativity surrounding Stephen is new.

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Zeke was textbook Jerry caving on one of his stars. They gambled and waited too ling on Dak. You said Stephen is not liked or respected aroonf the league. That's different. You said it was "online" so it should be easy for you to find.

If this is how Stephen is going to deal with these guys, this does not bode well for the future....

Oh no, Stephen may not immediately cave and give multi-year deals to 30 year olds with injury history. Giving these guys multi-year deals has been working so well. Hit the panic button

Has everyone seen the scene from Hard Knocks where Stephen misses the helicopter?

DannyDuberstein said:

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Oh no, Stephen may not immediately cave and give multi-year deals to 30 year olds with injury history. Giving these guys multi-year deals has been working so well. Hit the panic button

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You missed the point that was made by DLaw. Dealing with theses guys and agents there is a level of respect. One year $10m was a disrespectful offer. He then pops off about Jerry 'giving' him $65m. Then ran to Daddy to fix it and DLaw made a very reasonable deal for both parties. I can't believe you think this is a smart way to do business.

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Of everything Jerry has done, including boilerplate language in this deal sent you from "dislike" to "abhor"?

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No, it's a cumulative effect that makes Jerry so distasteful. Sure he botched deals and reached for players, but what put me over the edge is his cover up of Dalrymples picture taking and his cover up of his affair and daughter.

I'll say again that I think we are hearing so much about this because it's Dallas. Multiple people are making careers off covering the Cowboys, some who have turned into independent podcast/youtubers. I guarantee most of this crap happens all the time around the league, The Cowboys just get more exposure because there are so many people just gobbling it up... don't forget to hit the LIKE button!

This is the type of thing that I fear we are at a huge disadvantage because we don't have a real GM who's job it is to know these rosters and jump in on things like this.

Sources: #Raiders pass-rusher Yannick Ngakoue is expected to be traded to the #Colts in a deal that includes CB Rock Ya-Sin.

— Ian Rapoport (@RapSheet) March 16, 2022

I think the Colts gave up a 5th. Would have been all over this for a 5th rounder.

I'll also say "good" for the Cowboys not rolling over this offseason just because "one of their guys" needs a new deal. Stop being friends and stop over promoting from within.

The Randy Gregory's, Tyron Crawford's, Blake Jarwin's of the world are not putting us over the top. Stop feeling pressured to re-sign every halfway decent starter. You can sign a few, but you gotta let a few go as well.

Let them go and give your young guys a chance. If the young guys play well, fantastic! If they don't, then you still have cap space to go make your team better via trade or the following off-season.

.@BryanBroaddus on @1053thefan right now: think there’s an owner over there that’s not too happy with the way things are being done right now

— Connor Livesay (@ConnorNFLDraft) March 16, 2022

jr15aggie said:

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I'll also say "good" for the Cowboys not rolling over this offseason just because "one of their guys" needs a new deal. Stop being friends and stop over promoting from within.

The Randy Gregory's, Tyron Crawford's, Blake Jarwin's of the world are not putting us over the top. Stop feeling pressured to re-sign every halfway decent starter. You can sign a few, but you gotta let a few go as well.

Let them go and give your young guys a chance. If the young guys play well, fantastic! If they don't, then you still have cap space to go make your team better via trade or the following off-season.

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What do you mean rolling over?

It's a fair discussion to talk about whether they should bring Tank or Gregory back. But the Cowboys made that decision. They wanted them all back. Dont' conflate two diff things. The Cowboys decided they wanted GRegory back and they botched the deal. That has nothing to do with letting guys 'roll over' you.

I think there is a strong case to be made the they should have some turnover because this group of guys hasn't gotten it done, but that's not the same thing of what happened here with Gregory.

Here comes Jane to pee pee over the Von dream

Don’t get your hopes up. Reported this morning that #Cowboys didn’t seem to think they could beat out #Rams here 🤷🏼‍♀️ https://t.co/c1rm0duK1E

— Jane Slater (@SlaterNFL) March 16, 2022

If not von then I guess zadarius smith or clowney. Maybe we can trade for Danielle hunter but I know we won't offer a day 2 pick for him.

I have no problem with Stephen being despised by agents. We've gone 25 years being player friendly and its gotten us zilch. We've been saying for years that the Cowboys need to do a better job of evaluating their own.

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The Cowboys decided they wanted GRegory back and they botched the deal.

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If by "botched" you mean that Gregory reneged on the agreement and used contract verbiage that's in every. single. Cowboy contract (sans Dak) as his "out". Then yes, I agree they botched it.

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But you're leaving out key pieces here. The Cowboys told him they use this for everyone. That is factually incorrect and when Gregory's camp called them on it, they said, no, we are going to leave that. Gregory then says, fine, I can go over here where they don't have that language. Then the Cowboys cry and say, 'well, we would have been willing to work on the language after Gregory decided to leave.' And the Cowboys are trying to play this off (through their channels like Fish) that this is standard CBA stuff and that is not true either.

You are telling half the facts here….

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I have no problem with Stephen being despised by agents. We've gone 25 years being player friendly and its gotten us zilch. We've been saying for years that the Cowboys need to do a better job of evaluating their own.

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That's not a good long term strategy for the franchise moving forward.

And there's a diff in being disliked and respected. I can live with them not liking him as long as they respect him as dealing in good faith. That seems to be what's in question here.

.@BryanBroaddus just said his friends around the league texted him and said “this front office is inept” 😭

— Connor Livesay (@ConnorNFLDraft) March 16, 2022

People scoffed when I said the league doesn’t respect Stephen Jones and this front office.

— Skywalker Steele (@SkywalkerSteele) March 16, 2022

Macarthur said:

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Legal Custodian said:

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The Cowboys decided they wanted GRegory back and they botched the deal.

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If by "botched" you mean that Gregory reneged on the agreement and used contract verbiage that's in every. single. Cowboy contract (sans Dak) as his "out". Then yes, I agree they botched it.

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But you're leaving out key pieces here. The Cowboys told him they use this for everyone. That is factually incorrect and when Gregory's camp called them on it, they said, no, we are going to leave that. Gregory then says, fine, I can go over here where they don't have that language. Then the Cowboys cry and say, 'well, we would have been willing to work on the language after Gregory decided to leave.' And the Cowboys are trying to play this off (through their channels like Fish) that this is standard CBA stuff and that is not true either.

You are telling half the facts here….

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Wow, that's some colorful history with the news only a couple days old and no one knowing what actually happened at the negotiating table.

We have no idea what was actually said in the negotiations. But the facts are the contract language is what Gregory is claiming the Cowboys threw in there at the last minute (and a safe assumption would be it wasn't discussed before). Cowboys claim that it is standard for every contract they do. Gregory didn't like it and then reneged on his agreement and signed with another team. We have no idea if Gregory gave them time to counter or not, or if he even told the organization why he was backing out of his agreement until his agent leaked the reasoning.

Those facts would lead any reasonable person to assume that Gregory used that as a way to cover for changing his mind.

What I'm curious about is if that language was in his original contract when he signed his rookie deal. And if it wasn't, then I could see that as a slap in the face for someone who doesn't know the in&outs of contracts.

Macarthur said:

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I have no problem with Stephen being despised by agents. We've gone 25 years being player friendly and its gotten us zilch. We've been saying for years that the Cowboys need to do a better job of evaluating their own.

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That's not a good long term strategy for the franchise moving forward.

And there's a diff in being disliked and respected. I can live with them not liking him as long as they respect him as dealing in good faith. That seems to be what's in question here.

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That's what seems to be in question here by people who don't understand contracts and negotiations. From the facts we know, there wasn't anything non-standard in the contract that the Cowboys extended.

All I can tell you is that everyone I've seen that doesn't have ties to the Cowboys organization is taking the opposite position you are. I guess you could be right but that would mean a ton of people that follow the NFL and are plugged into the league and have tons of sources would be wrong.

Macarthur said:

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All I can tell you is that everyone I've seen that doesn't have ties to the Cowboys organization is taking the opposite position you are. I guess you could be right but that would mean a ton of people that follow the NFL and are plugged into the league and have tons of sources would be wrong.

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What gets more clicks? Bashing the Cowboys or bashing Randy Gregory and his agent?

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Macarthur said:

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All I can tell you is that everyone I've seen that doesn't have ties to the Cowboys organization is taking the opposite position you are. I guess you could be right but that would mean a ton of people that follow the NFL and are plugged into the league and have tons of sources would be wrong.

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What gets more clicks? Bashing the Cowboys or bashing Randy Gregory and his agent?

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I believe with 100% certainty that Brian Broaddus doesn't give a damn about clicks. He's is a straight shooter. Bob Sturm doesn't give a damn about clicks.