True. I was commenting on a couple of diff posters and lumping them all in together. My apologies.Orlando Ayala Cant Read said:Macarthur said:
I find it pretty amazing that a guy that used weed to control mental illness and has been very open about it and his struggles is some sort of unlikeable guy that everyone is so ready to write off as a bad guy, yet so quick to run to the defense of the organization that hasn't exactly had much good press lately. How 'good of a guy' are you to pay millions to have your baby momma silenced and never even meet or attempt to reach out to you actually biological kid? That about as sorry of a POS as you can get…but he's a billionaire HOFer so it's all good.
C'mon Mac.
You know me better than this. I'm the last guy on this thread happy with the Cowboys front office or defending that shi**y ass org. Unfortunately, at the same time I'm beholden to my loyalty as a fan so I keep rooting for em. But you know I call them out probably more than anyone else on this site.
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For all his many faults, for 33 years we've watched Jerry make deals with players, not one time was there a story about the organization trying to pull some dirty fast one at the last minute. If anything, the organization has had the opposite problem of being too player friendly. You can continue your "whose character is better?" jerkoff session. I don't care who is. I can just see something fairly obvious happened here and it unsprorisingly turns out not to be some Cowboys-pulling-a fast-one that you were freaking out about
I believe Gregory over Jerry.Macarthur said:Agristotle said:
With no hostility intended, it's amazing to me that people are willing to believe Randy Gregory over the Cowboys! I am a looooongtime Cowboy fan and certainly understand the complaints, but you find Randy Gregory more credible!!!! Randy-multiple-suspensions-and-rehab-because-I-can't-stay-off-the-weed Gregory. HE's more credible to you than the Multi-Billionaire Hall of Famer!?! Wow.
Yes, in this case, based on the info we have now, I lend more credence to the Gregory camp than I do the Cowboys. I'm not JJ 'hater' but this how much money JJ has has zero meaning in this, I frankly think it's kinda weird that you would think he's anymore trustworthy simply because he has money. The stuff that's come out recently about JJ pretty much shows he's a complete POS. Wow, is right. You think Jerry would be getting in right now with the bombshells that have come out, and there are whispers out there that this isn't the last type of this info that could leak out.
And the Cowboys themsleves have been promoting how great of a success story Gregory is based on how he has turned his life around. And let's be clear, Gregory was using pot to help manage his mental health issues. The fact that you think what he has done is some sort of huge disqualifier while at the same time defending Jones and the NFL that would rather have these guys hooked on pain pills for the rest of their life than smoke a joint, causes me to say wow right back at you.
I didn't like Jerry before, now I abhor him
Of everything Jerry has done, including boilerplate language in this deal sent you from "dislike" to "abhor"?
I'm still amazed that our fans continue to believe Jerry handles contracts and player personnel. Does he have a say? Sure, he's the owner. But it's pretty common knowledge that Stephen and Will McClay handle football operations, cap management and personnel.
Macarthur said:It's good business to have a clause in that you tell everyone you won't use?dave94 said:Because it's smart to have that in your pocket should a player get suspended for something worse than just a failed drug test.Macarthur said:
Legit question. Why have that language if it's never going to be used. That seems dumb.
Sounds like good business.
I bet there's a big difference in saying they've never used it, vs they don't have the ability to EVER use it.
Yep, a $70 million deal handed to an odd duck with mental illness. I'm not gonna begrudge anyone for not striking that standard clause even if they've never invoked it.
Fair point.
BTW, Werder is reporting that this language is not used by other teams.
BTW, Werder is reporting that this language is not used by other teams.
Now we get to argue about who is more credible, David Moore or Ed Werder…
Another area where we can apply common sense: surely many other teams have language that can protect them financially in player conduct situations
Just noticed Gregory's agent represents Joe Mixon and represented Vontaze Burfict. I guess we all gotta put food on the table
Mike fisher summarizes the situation best in this 30 minute video.
Basically says the agent is at fault for not communicating to Randy. The portion of the contract Randy was mad about is in just about every contract and even if wasn't it doesn't matter because it's in the cba. When Randy read it and asked his agent what it was his agent either didn't know this or didn't explain it correctly. This pissed Randy off and he decided to go to Denver. This clause was in his previous contracts and in everyone's contract except Daks. Again, it didn't matter if it was on there because it's in the CBA anyways. The Cowboys didn't try to pull a fast one on Randy.
Basically says the agent is at fault for not communicating to Randy. The portion of the contract Randy was mad about is in just about every contract and even if wasn't it doesn't matter because it's in the cba. When Randy read it and asked his agent what it was his agent either didn't know this or didn't explain it correctly. This pissed Randy off and he decided to go to Denver. This clause was in his previous contracts and in everyone's contract except Daks. Again, it didn't matter if it was on there because it's in the CBA anyways. The Cowboys didn't try to pull a fast one on Randy.
I don't really pay attention to Fish, but there's lots of info on twitter that contradicts what he says. Fisher is also being accused of carrying water for the Cowboys FO. Werder says that language is not used around the league so what is this CBA thing?
Source says the salary forfeiture language #Cowboys include in player contracts that led Randy Gregory to abruptly sign with #Broncos is standard to them but not commonly used by other teams. #Cowboys now have “high interest” in Von Miller depending on financial expectations.
— Ed Werder (@WerderEdESPN) March 15, 2022
Dallas is known for cracking down on misbehavior and voiding guaranteed money. Oh, wait
And one other note, not only was this language not in Denver’s contract but the frustration was that it’s not according to Randy’s camp in any other team contract and not once mentioned AT ALL during negotiations. That’s the real source of angst here. They felt “lied” to. https://t.co/YeptoJlppJ
— Jane Slater (@SlaterNFL) March 15, 2022
Slater seems to support the angle that this is not common around the league.
The disagreement is over what would allow Dallas to void guaranteed money, and namely whether a fine vs a suspension is enough to do it. $28 million guaranteed on a 5 year $70 mill deal means all of that guaranteed money is coming in the form of signing bonus and guaranteed salary in the first 1-2 years. They weren't going to be voiding guaranteed money
Sportrac has the contract. $10 million signing bonus upfront, $4 million 2022 salary guaranteed, $14 million 2023 salary guaranteed. The concept that this broke down over Dallas being able to get out of guaranteed money (fine vs suspension) is laughable. You'd have to believe Dallas would be looking to escape a contract they basically just signed. Agent saving face with this story
This right here. Next man up.jr15aggie said:
I don't have an issue with Randy leaving.
We can't just re-sign all our guys and expect different results. Time for some of these guys to go!
Randy showed flashes....but that's all they were. The Cowboys did not lose DeMarcus Ware today.
Randy Gregory's 6 sacks/year can be replaced.
I'm ready to move on from this but this is an interesting thread. I trust Sturm's take.
Note his comment in the thread about Fish. Not that I didn't already know this on some level but this does not give good vibes for the years to come when Stephen gains even more control over things.
Amazing if it is true that Stephen – already engaged in "not talking" tactics with D-Law and Dak's camps – decides he is not going to talk to Gregory's agent. "Talk to our cap specialist, ol' what's his name. We are trying vests on in here." pic.twitter.com/LuUsjvubDt
— Bob Sturm (@SportsSturm) March 16, 2022
Note his comment in the thread about Fish. Not that I didn't already know this on some level but this does not give good vibes for the years to come when Stephen gains even more control over things.
For those saying that void language on guaranteed salary is spelled out in the CBA it isnt. Teams negotiate those with the players.
— Jason_OTC (@Jason_OTC) March 16, 2022
Yeah, Dallas drafted him, stood by him after multiple suspensions, offered him a huge contract with a ton of guaranteed money, which he agreed to before backing out, but they are the bad guys.
Good riddance.
Good riddance.
This agent is La'el Collins agent. Another guy the Cowboys went to bat for in drug issues with the league. His story doesn't add up. Oh, and surprise, Collins is a guy the Cowboys are looking to move on from and have offered to let him speak to other teams. Sure there is no agent axe to grind there. And again, this language is only relevant for about 18 months of the deal.
laughable that Gregory even read the contract let alone understood it
He changed his mind
same people that are wrong about everything continue the drama
He changed his mind
same people that are wrong about everything continue the drama
I love the access these player podcasts are giving fans.
Cowboys DeMarcus Lawrence says he was offered a 1-yr, $10 million deal and felt the offer was disrespectful after everything he had done for the team and told Stephen Jones he wanted his outright release, but Jerry Jones saved the day
— Kevin Gray Jr. (@KevinGraySports) March 16, 2022
(🎥: @ATCoveredPod) #CowboysNation pic.twitter.com/EMf8qUCXX4
Here's the full interview
D-Law: Naw man, that's disrespectful. I guess you can just release me.
Stephen: OK well I'll ask Jerry, but he'll probably be pissed cause he just gave you 65 Mil
D-Law: He ain't give me s***, I earned it!
LOL.
Stephen: OK well I'll ask Jerry, but he'll probably be pissed cause he just gave you 65 Mil
D-Law: He ain't give me s***, I earned it!
LOL.
Stephen is either an incompetent negotiator or him and Jerry play bad cop/good cop to perfection.
Legal Custodian said:
Stephen is either an incompetent negotiator or him and Jerry play bad cop/good cop to perfection.
The thing is you see more and more online that Stephen is not liked or respected around the league like Jerry has been. That might be okay while Jerry is around to pull his butt out of the fire, but Jerry isn't going to be around forever.
My first thought was his agent playing games as well. Supposedly Gregory was going a take a slightly less lucrative deal to stay in Dallas as long as we were in the ballpark. Wouldn't surprise me if his agent cooked up some "betrayal" to get him to take the higher offer
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ramblin_ag02 said:
My first thought was his agent playing games as well. Supposedly Gregory was going a take a slightly less lucrative deal to stay in Dallas as long as we were in the ballpark. Wouldn't surprise me if his agent cooked up some "betrayal" to get him to take the higher offer
The deals are the same and he's going to net less due to taxed in Colorado. This scenario makes no sense to get his client less money....
Macarthur said:Legal Custodian said:
Stephen is either an incompetent negotiator or him and Jerry play bad cop/good cop to perfection.
The thing is you see more and more online that Stephen is not liked or respected around the league like Jerry has been. That might be okay while Jerry is around to pull his butt out of the fire, but Jerry isn't going to be around forever.
God I hope they finally hire a competent GM once Jerry is gone. Stephen sounds like the Jesse Gemstone of the Cowboys organization.
lol...funny comparison. So funny it made me cry.
It sounds like they'll hand out fewer bad deals to guys that the owner personally likes. Would that be that awful?
Fore Left! said:
It sounds like they'll hand out fewer bad deals to guys that the owner personally likes. Would that be that awful?
Yeah, Jerry getting close to his players has resulted in bad deals and a constantly undermined head coach. This ending is a bad thing?
Fore Left! said:
It sounds like they'll hand out fewer bad deals to guys that the owner personally likes. Would that be that awful?
I would agree that Jerry has flaws and getting too attached to players has been one of those, but the answer isn't to swing the pendulum too far the other direction. It is not good long term that Stephen is not liked or respected around the league. If it were just the fact that Stephen balances out some of Jerry's impulse, I would be all for that.
Where are these "Stephen isn't liked or respected around the league" stories? Other than a guy that didnt get the first offer he wanted (who is 30 and missed 10 games this year btw) and Gregory. Would be curious to see links.
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