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I would concede your point in some blue states such as Virginia (not sure they have any US Rep seats that are real battlegrounds on the old maps there), but not in the real battleground ones that matter imho.

Hard to argue the polls are wrong when the early vote data confirms GOP turnout has cratered. The enthusiasm gap here is just astonishing.

Is it going to be this bad across the entire country? Possibly not. Virginia is now substantially to the Left of America as a whole, so a…

— Christian Heiens 🏛 (@ChristianHeiens) September 26, 2026

For an election that I consider pretty darn important, I think turnout is likely not going to be net as high as expected, tbf. This is why the rallies/spend etc. matter. JD Vance going to Harlingen as such makes sense, for example.

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Yes…but Vance doing rallies in Kansas is indicative of the larger issue (Motivated Dems/De-Motivated Rs)…and considering the lingering issues of Iran, diesel, et al…rallies may not help (but are the only thing they can do).

Classifying Iran and Diesel as "lingering issues" is a hilarious understatement

🇺🇲 Senate polling by Fabrizio (R)/Anzalone (D) for AARP (Sept)

North Carolina
🟦 Roy Cooper: 53% (+9)
🟥 Michael Whatley: 42%
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Alaska (RCV final)
🟦 Mary Peltola: 53% (+6)
🟥 Dan Sullivan (i): 47%
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Texas
🟦 James Talarico: 48% (+4)
🟥 Ken Paxton: 44% https://t.co/VpNJjVirqi pic.twitter.com/jVTvIhA0aX

— InteractivePolls (@IAPolls2022) September 28, 2026

Trump has reiterated about the diesel issue.

.@POTUS: "The big problem is the refineries in Russia are being blown up. This isn't really a Middle Eastern problem, this is more of a Russia problem — that Ukraine and Russia are going at it and Ukraine is blowing up diesel refineries in Russia because they do a lot of… pic.twitter.com/5TcMmCm07B

— Rapid Response 47 (@RapidResponse47) September 28, 2026

I'd prefer he just come out and renounce a 'diesel export ban.' That's not helpful.

Iran is likely to collapse before November imho so 'lingering' is being pretty accurate.

Republicans are cooked.

Fabrizio is Trump's pollster too.

Isn't this the same war he said he'd end on day one? He openly bragged about solving the Russia Ukraine war in 24hrs.

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Classifying Iran and Diesel as "lingering issues" is a hilarious understatement

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Trump has been telling his base that Ukraine is to blame for high diesel prices in the USA. Insane claim but they trust him.

Meanwhile, even R candidates and R incumbents in several red states are desperately scrambling to distance themselves from being connected to Trump and his Administration's incompetence, corruption, and disastrous policy failures.

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Republicans are cooked.

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you mean the country is cooked?

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Isn't this the same war he said he'd end on day one? He openly bragged about solving the Russia Ukraine war in 24hrs.

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Yes, but he is trump so he isn't held to any standards at all. Just more mental gymnastics and heel digging for the sycophants.

Trump looks tired and resigned to outcome of midterms, thats why he is into these pet projects, the incumbents have to distance themselves.

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/6112712-trump-approval-ratings-midterm-elections/

Polls are showing that even some GOP voters have finally been willing to admit Trump and their party's policies and incompetent handling of the economy and inflation and grocery prices and tariffs and the exploding national debt have been a complete disaster.

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Since January, the GOP's approval of Trump's handling of the economy has dropped 24 percentage points to 56 percent, while their approval of his handling of the cost of living has fallen 26 points to 44 percent.

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Classifying Iran and Diesel as "lingering issues" is a hilarious understatement

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Trump has been telling his base that Ukraine is to blame for high diesel prices in the USA. Insane claim but they trust him.

Meanwhile, even R candidates and R incumbents in several red states are desperately scrambling to distance themselves from being connected to Trump and his Administration's incompetence, corruption, and disastrous policy failures.

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It's absolutely not insane. What are you talking about, man?

Russia is the #2 diesel producer on the planet and is essentially offline right now. They have halted diesel exports through October due to refinery damage inflicted by Ukraine. When you remove the #2 exporter on the planet, then you are going to have price shocks.

This is public knowledge even within the MSM.

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https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/6112712-trump-approval-ratings-midterm-elections/

Polls are showing that even some GOP voters have finally been willing to admit Trump and their party's policies and incompetent handling of the economy and inflation and grocery prices and tariffs and the exploding national debt have been a complete disaster.

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Since January, the GOP's approval of Trump's handling of the economy has dropped 24 percentage points to 56 percent, while their approval of his handling of the cost of living has fallen 26 points to 44 percent.

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Inflation is 0.4% higher than it was when he took office. That's pretty miniscule.

The problem is that most people expected all prices to drop back to pre-covid levels. Which they NEVER will. That Biden inflation is baked in now.

Gas prices ARE Trump's fault, though. Even though I agree that we need to prevent Iran from ever having a nuke. Prices are up because of that war.

I will say that the Dems have won the propaganda war with "affordability" by completely deflecting Biden's part directly onto Trump.

Dems are better at that stuff than the GOP is.

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Classifying Iran and Diesel as "lingering issues" is a hilarious understatement

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Trump has been telling his base that Ukraine is to blame for high diesel prices in the USA. Insane claim but they trust him.

Meanwhile, even R candidates and R incumbents in several red states are desperately scrambling to distance themselves from being connected to Trump and his Administration's incompetence, corruption, and disastrous policy failures.

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It's absolutely not insane. What are you talking about, man?

Russia is the #2 diesel producer on the planet and is essentially offline right now. They have halted diesel exports through October due to refinery damage inflicted by Ukraine. When you remove the #2 exporter on the planet, then you are going to have price shocks.

This is public knowledge even within the MSM.

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The loss of Russian diesel production is 100 percent on Russia and Putin. Russia and Putin started that war and have continued the war and continued to attack Ukraine and murder Ukrainians daily for 4 years. Ukraine is only doing what any country would do: fight for survival. How can you not see that? Russia bears the responsibility.

Yet Trump blamed Ukraine for diesel prices and said Ukraine should not do any more attacks on Russian diesel refineries. That is ludicrous of Trump and another of his many tells of his true feelings about his pal Putin.

Also the high price of diesel is just as much a result of Trump's war with Iran as it is due to Putin's war on Ukraine.

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DeschutesAg said:

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Classifying Iran and Diesel as "lingering issues" is a hilarious understatement

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Trump has been telling his base that Ukraine is to blame for high diesel prices in the USA. Insane claim but they trust him.

Meanwhile, even R candidates and R incumbents in several red states are desperately scrambling to distance themselves from being connected to Trump and his Administration's incompetence, corruption, and disastrous policy failures.

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It's absolutely not insane. What are you talking about, man?

Russia is the #2 diesel producer on the planet and is essentially offline right now. They have halted diesel exports through October due to refinery damage inflicted by Ukraine. When you remove the #2 exporter on the planet, then you are going to have price shocks.

This is public knowledge even within the MSM.

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The loss of Russian diesel production is 100 percent on Russia and Putin. Russia and Putin started that war and have continued the war and continued to attack Ukraine and murder Ukrainians daily for 4 years. Ukraine is only doing what any country would do: fight for survival. How can you not see that? Russia bears the responsibility.

Yet Trump blamed Ukraine for diesel prices and said Ukraine should not do any more attacks on Russian diesel refineries. That is ludicrous of Trump and another of his many tells of his true feelings about his pal Putin.

Also the high price of diesel is just as much a result of Trump's war with Iran as it is due to Putin's war on Ukraine.

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I missed the blaming of Ukraine and thought you were implying diesel prices were all Trump's fault via Iran.

The Ukraine War, regardless of fault, is causing much of the diesel spike. Sucks but that's reality.

I just disagree that it is not 'essentially.' They are fully off-line for exports.

President Trump: [Ukrainian President Volodymyr} Zelenskyy has to do one thing… He has to stop knocking out diesel fuel in Russia. Let him go after targets, but not diesel fuel, because he's causing a shortage of diesel fuel. This isn't done by the Middle East. This is done by… pic.twitter.com/7m8GrEMhvx

— RedWave Press (@RedWavePress) September 13, 2026

⚡️Trump asked Zelensky to slow down a bit with strikes on Russian NPZ.
Trump explained that such attacks could create a "global problem," and Zelensky, according to the US president, responded that Ukraine will "probably" do so.
At the same time, Trump noted that Ukraine can… pic.twitter.com/5RnZBRfb8l

— BLYSKAVKA (@blyskavka_ua) September 27, 2026

The language and reactions have been clear, imho. I've seen no indication that strikes on Russian oil-gas infrastructure are going to slow down.

Only restrictions on American exports to Europe I believe could lead to that, prior to November. As per usual, this is primarily a partisan argument.

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Sq 17 said:

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Classifying Iran and Diesel as "lingering issues" is a hilarious understatement

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Trump has been telling his base that Ukraine is to blame for high diesel prices in the USA. Insane claim but they trust him.

Meanwhile, even R candidates and R incumbents in several red states are desperately scrambling to distance themselves from being connected to Trump and his Administration's incompetence, corruption, and disastrous policy failures.

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It's absolutely not insane. What are you talking about, man?

Russia is the #2 diesel producer on the planet and is essentially offline right now. They have halted diesel exports through October due to refinery damage inflicted by Ukraine. When you remove the #2 exporter on the planet, then you are going to have price shocks.

This is public knowledge even within the MSM.

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The loss of Russian diesel production is 100 percent on Russia and Putin. Russia and Putin started that war and have continued the war and continued to attack Ukraine and murder Ukrainians daily for 4 years. Ukraine is only doing what any country would do: fight for survival. How can you not see that? Russia bears the responsibility.

Yet Trump blamed Ukraine for diesel prices and said Ukraine should not do any more attacks on Russian diesel refineries. That is ludicrous of Trump and another of his many tells of his true feelings about his pal Putin.

Also the high price of diesel is just as much a result of Trump's war with Iran as it is due to Putin's war on Ukraine.

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I missed the blaming of Ukraine and thought you were implying diesel prices were all Trump's fault via Iran.

The Ukraine War, regardless of fault, is causing much of the diesel spike. Sucks but that's reality.

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Russia normally produces 9.5% of the world's diesel exports. The war we and Israel are in with Iran in the ME has been just as big -- or frankly, much bigger -- of a factor.

Per usual, Trump totally lied to Americans about that.

Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, UAE, and Bahrain refine and export diesel. And the ME oil producing countries also export oil to many other countries that refine oil and produce diesel.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/trump-calls-on-ukraine-to-halt-strikes-on-russian-diesel-saying-attacks-are-causing-a-shortage

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Diesel exports from Gulf countries way down since Iran war began

According to a report published Friday by the International Energy Agency, net exports of diesel and gasoil from the Gulf countries in August stood at "just over a quarter" of what they were before the war on Iran began in February.

"Disruptions to Russia's refining system and a near-halt to product exports following intensified Ukrainian attacks have compounded these losses," the IEA wrote. It added that in February, combined next exports of diesel and gasoil from the Gulf and Russia "accounted for almost 45% of global seaborne trade."

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Classifying Iran and Diesel as "lingering issues" is a hilarious understatement

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Trump has been telling his base that Ukraine is to blame for high diesel prices in the USA. Insane claim but they trust him.

Meanwhile, even R candidates and R incumbents in several red states are desperately scrambling to distance themselves from being connected to Trump and his Administration's incompetence, corruption, and disastrous policy failures.

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It's absolutely not insane. What are you talking about, man?

Russia is the #2 diesel producer on the planet and is essentially offline right now. They have halted diesel exports through October due to refinery damage inflicted by Ukraine. When you remove the #2 exporter on the planet, then you are going to have price shocks.

This is public knowledge even within the MSM.

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What I don't get is this has been a problem for 4 years, but the same people who are blaming Russia now blamed Biden 4 years ago?

It's always been Russia and putins fault. That war has driven up the cost of gas, diesel, and food for everyone.

DeschutesAg said:

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DeschutesAg said:

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Sq 17 said:

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Classifying Iran and Diesel as "lingering issues" is a hilarious understatement

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Trump has been telling his base that Ukraine is to blame for high diesel prices in the USA. Insane claim but they trust him.

Meanwhile, even R candidates and R incumbents in several red states are desperately scrambling to distance themselves from being connected to Trump and his Administration's incompetence, corruption, and disastrous policy failures.

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It's absolutely not insane. What are you talking about, man?

Russia is the #2 diesel producer on the planet and is essentially offline right now. They have halted diesel exports through October due to refinery damage inflicted by Ukraine. When you remove the #2 exporter on the planet, then you are going to have price shocks.

This is public knowledge even within the MSM.

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The loss of Russian diesel production is 100 percent on Russia and Putin. Russia and Putin started that war and have continued the war and continued to attack Ukraine and murder Ukrainians daily for 4 years. Ukraine is only doing what any country would do: fight for survival. How can you not see that? Russia bears the responsibility.

Yet Trump blamed Ukraine for diesel prices and said Ukraine should not do any more attacks on Russian diesel refineries. That is ludicrous of Trump and another of his many tells of his true feelings about his pal Putin.

Also the high price of diesel is just as much a result of Trump's war with Iran as it is due to Putin's war on Ukraine.

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I missed the blaming of Ukraine and thought you were implying diesel prices were all Trump's fault via Iran.

The Ukraine War, regardless of fault, is causing much of the diesel spike. Sucks but that's reality.

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Russia normally produces 9.5% of the world's diesel exports. The war we and Israel are in with Iran in the ME has been just as big -- or frankly, much bigger -- of a factor.

Per usual, Trump totally lied to Americans about that.

Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, UAE, and Bahrain refine and export diesel. And the ME oil producing countries also export oil to many other countries that refine oil and produce diesel.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/trump-calls-on-ukraine-to-halt-strikes-on-russian-diesel-saying-attacks-are-causing-a-shortage

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Diesel exports from Gulf countries way down since Iran war began

According to a report published Friday by the International Energy Agency, net exports of diesel and gasoil from the Gulf countries in August stood at "just over a quarter" of what they were before the war on Iran began in February.

"Disruptions to Russia's refining system and a near-halt to product exports following intensified Ukrainian attacks have compounded these losses," the IEA wrote. It added that in February, combined next exports of diesel and gasoil from the Gulf and Russia "accounted for almost 45% of global seaborne trade."

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When the #2 diesel exporter goes offline (Russia), then that is the bigger impact here, obviously. They are both contributing to issues but being #2 diesel exporter going offline logically leads one to assume/know that they are the bigger issue here for diesel. And Russia going offline is pretty recent. Production issues stated in July when Ukraine started consistently hitting their production and has only gotten worse since then which is the reason why you didn't hear about this before now and people want to assume the Iran war is causing the diesel issue.

So, now I'm not sure what you are saying Trump lied about. Are you still referring to who is at fault in Ukraine or is this something new? Putin obviously started that war.

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Classifying Iran and Diesel as "lingering issues" is a hilarious understatement

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Trump has been telling his base that Ukraine is to blame for high diesel prices in the USA. Insane claim but they trust him.

Meanwhile, even R candidates and R incumbents in several red states are desperately scrambling to distance themselves from being connected to Trump and his Administration's incompetence, corruption, and disastrous policy failures.

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It's absolutely not insane. What are you talking about, man?

Russia is the #2 diesel producer on the planet and is essentially offline right now. They have halted diesel exports through October due to refinery damage inflicted by Ukraine. When you remove the #2 exporter on the planet, then you are going to have price shocks.

This is public knowledge even within the MSM.

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What I don't get is this has been a problem for 4 years, but the same people who are blaming Russia now blamed Biden 4 years ago?

It's always been Russia and putins fault. That war has driven up the cost of gas, diesel, and food for everyone.

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Sure. I never said it wasn't. I also really don't GAS about Ukraine. I would be happy for that to end regardless of who wins.

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YouBet said:

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DeschutesAg said:

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Sq 17 said:

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Classifying Iran and Diesel as "lingering issues" is a hilarious understatement

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Trump has been telling his base that Ukraine is to blame for high diesel prices in the USA. Insane claim but they trust him.

Meanwhile, even R candidates and R incumbents in several red states are desperately scrambling to distance themselves from being connected to Trump and his Administration's incompetence, corruption, and disastrous policy failures.

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It's absolutely not insane. What are you talking about, man?

Russia is the #2 diesel producer on the planet and is essentially offline right now. They have halted diesel exports through October due to refinery damage inflicted by Ukraine. When you remove the #2 exporter on the planet, then you are going to have price shocks.

This is public knowledge even within the MSM.

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The loss of Russian diesel production is 100 percent on Russia and Putin. Russia and Putin started that war and have continued the war and continued to attack Ukraine and murder Ukrainians daily for 4 years. Ukraine is only doing what any country would do: fight for survival. How can you not see that? Russia bears the responsibility.

Yet Trump blamed Ukraine for diesel prices and said Ukraine should not do any more attacks on Russian diesel refineries. That is ludicrous of Trump and another of his many tells of his true feelings about his pal Putin.

Also the high price of diesel is just as much a result of Trump's war with Iran as it is due to Putin's war on Ukraine.

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While Putin is a major ********** and the entire reason that this war is happening, that does not separate it from the fact that the war that is 100% Putin's fault is now a large part of the shortage of diesel fuel.

But, the reason why loss of the fuel is occurring is because Ukraine is blowing the **** out of their refineries (which I'm 190% happy with).

So, it's not a stretch to say that Ukraine is the cause of the shortage of diesel because Ukraine is the country that's been preventing it from leaving Russia.

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YouBet said:

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Sq 17 said:

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Classifying Iran and Diesel as "lingering issues" is a hilarious understatement

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Trump has been telling his base that Ukraine is to blame for high diesel prices in the USA. Insane claim but they trust him.

Meanwhile, even R candidates and R incumbents in several red states are desperately scrambling to distance themselves from being connected to Trump and his Administration's incompetence, corruption, and disastrous policy failures.

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It's absolutely not insane. What are you talking about, man?

Russia is the #2 diesel producer on the planet and is essentially offline right now. They have halted diesel exports through October due to refinery damage inflicted by Ukraine. When you remove the #2 exporter on the planet, then you are going to have price shocks.

This is public knowledge even within the MSM.

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What I don't get is this has been a problem for 4 years, but the same people who are blaming Russia now blamed Biden 4 years ago?

It's always been Russia and putins fault. That war has driven up the cost of gas, diesel, and food for everyone.

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You DO understand, that the disruption in diesel fuel has only been occurring for a relatively short time - since the Ukrainians acquired/developed longer range weapons. This hasn't been a problem for 4 years.

Actually the Iran War caused a larger cumulative disruption and decrease in the monthly barrels of worldwide diesel refining production than Putin and Russia caused when Putin ceased diesel exports in July due to the war he started four years ago.

It is pretty wild that Trump is asking Zelensky to do him a favor now though. Funny that it always turns out that Trump doesn't hold all the cards.

It’s wild how every single Democrat in America just announces publicly that they’ve moved on from Americans and now they’re the party of foreigners.

“Immigrants built this country.”

Bonkers they can get away with these statements. https://t.co/bwqr8QDwG5

— Jesse Kelly (@JesseKellyDC) September 28, 2026

That this is their appeal even in Iowa is stupefying.

Dems are the desperate ones.

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/6116303-trump-china-taxpayer-ads-election-day/

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Poll after poll shows Trump's approval ratings to be low, with voters voicing concern about the cost of living, the economy and the war on Iran.

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With the midterm elections just 38 days away, now is an appropriate time to remember:

Almost every R incumbent in Congress and every new R candidate running for Congress or state government went 100-percent all-in in supporting Trump, his daily lies, his tariffs, his war, his numerous disastrous failed policies, his Administration's incompetence and illegal actions, and the massive corruption that Trump and his family have engaged In.

It wasn't just Trump. The GOP was a full participant in all of it.

And now they're telling us voters:

"Please don't hold us accountable for the high gas and diesel and grocery prices and costly tariff taxes and other economic damage and criminal corruption and lies and the Epstein coverup and numerous other messes that we created and have done to you."

It will be interesting to see whether the billions of dollars in false claims and false messaging the GOP side plans to spend on media advertising the next 38 days can convince voters to sign up for two more years of the Republican Party's disastrous policy failures.

The general public is stupid and most shouldn't be voting.

If they vote in the communist Democrats who will open the borders and simply make things worse, then we deserve to fail as a country.

This is what the Democrats offer America.

The DSA hates the Democratic Party. They are a parasite.

They will kill it. Gut it. And wear it's carcass as a skin suit and Trojan Horse to dupe voters into giving them power.

Hakeem and Chuck could stop this infiltration in its tracks. But, they crave power.

Read the full…

— L A R R Y (@LarryOConnor) June 25, 2026

Morning Joe reacts to Hakeem Jeffries response to his meeting with Jared Kushner

"But first, where are you on a green Yankees hat?"

"It's the way government is supposed to work, but right now Democrats have no patience for this." pic.twitter.com/3HOWzLqcwl

— Clipping Wings (@ClippingWings) August 25, 2026

That's a hostage video. Idiot Hakeem would be held 100 percent hostage by the DSA caucus to his left. He isn't in a 'safe' seat a la Nancy Pelosi, he would have to cater to their every whim.

Dems know they have lost the Senate. Their desperation will become ever more apparent as they go all in to try and get the House they can anoint Saint Hakeem and try to usher in more socialism and Facism.

My biggest worry is that the Senate does go big time for the Dems and so does the House. They then get impeachment going in the House and get the Senate RINOs to go with the Dems to get Trump ousted. Then, at the exact same time, by some just happenstance, Vance gets the Charlie Kirk treatment...then the Speaker of the House becomes next in line, Temu Obama, Hakeem Jeffries.

Call it tinfoil, but these Leftists are cutthroat demons. They are just as power hungry and motivated as any Bolshevik ever was in Russia.

Just praying God continues to show favor upon our country and our freedoms.

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My biggest worry is that the Senate does go big time for the Dems and so does the House. They then get impeachment going in the House and get the Senate RINOs to go with the Dems to get Trump ousted. Then, at the exact same time, by some just happenstance, Vance gets the Charlie Kirk treatment...then the Speaker of the House becomes next in line, Temu Obama, Hakeem Jeffries.

Call it tinfoil, but these Leftists are cutthroat demons. They are just as power hungry and motivated as any Bolshevik ever was in Russia.

Just praying God continues to show favor upon our country and our freedoms.

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Well, that would be an actual coup and I think a kinetic civil war ensues - one in which those who hate America will lose, and lose badly.

Game on if they want to FA. They will indeed FO.

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My biggest worry is that the Senate does go big time for the Dems and so does the House. They then get impeachment going in the House and get the Senate RINOs to go with the Dems to get Trump ousted. Then, at the exact same time, by some just happenstance, Vance gets the Charlie Kirk treatment...then the Speaker of the House becomes next in line, Temu Obama, Hakeem Jeffries.

Call it tinfoil, but these Leftists are cutthroat demons. They are just as power hungry and motivated as any Bolshevik ever was in Russia.

Just praying God continues to show favor upon our country and our freedoms.

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Well, that would be an actual coup and I think a kinetic civil war ensues - one in which those who hate America will lose, and lose badly.

Game on if they want to FA. They will indeed FO.

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No it won't.


By and large people in this country don't have the stomach to turn a weapon on another person and kill them unless they are in imminent physical danger from that person.

For sure there will be a lot of talk and bloviating from behind a keyboard, but the conservative to start killing Democrats or Liberals will end up dead at the hands of the government or be jailed for the rest of their life if they are lucky.

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My biggest worry is that the Senate does go big time for the Dems and so does the House. They then get impeachment going in the House and get the Senate RINOs to go with the Dems to get Trump ousted. Then, at the exact same time, by some just happenstance, Vance gets the Charlie Kirk treatment...then the Speaker of the House becomes next in line, Temu Obama, Hakeem Jeffries.

Call it tinfoil, but these Leftists are cutthroat demons. They are just as power hungry and motivated as any Bolshevik ever was in Russia.

Just praying God continues to show favor upon our country and our freedoms.

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Well, that would be an actual coup and I think a kinetic civil war ensues - one in which those who hate America will lose, and lose badly.

Game on if they want to FA. They will indeed FO.

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No it won't.


By and large people in this country don't have the stomach to turn a weapon on another person and kill them unless they are in imminent physical danger from that person.

For sure there will be a lot of talk and bloviating from behind a keyboard, but the conservative to start killing Democrats or Liberals will end up dead at the hands of the government or be jailed for the rest of their life if they are lucky.

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This.

The reality is that the military and police and FBI will be used against us. Now, with all of our firepower and ammo, we would fight back hard, but it would not be as easy as FAFO, even if I wish it was the case. Missiles and bombs are more effective than guns.