Looks like we may have gotten involved in Venezuela

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javajaws
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Rossticus said:



I predict a bunch of you oil guys are going to find some new contract gigs down south soon!
EX TEXASEX
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Who?mikejones! said:

Someone said there'd be protest, here you go:



Hi, can you put me through to Tom Homan !!
#FJB
redjalapeno-87
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Attempt to overthrow a government via election interference (stealing) is an act of war. Maduro is fair game. There are others in custody that have testified against him. This is not not just about drug trafficking.
HoustonAg2106
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Squadron7 said:

This is starting to look a bit like Trump's "Fight!" after being shot. A lot of the usual suspects are prohibited by jersey color to say it but they think it is pretty bad-ass.


This is not great for the conservative movement actually because we are 50/50 on this issue while the left is fully united against it
Deputy Travis Junior
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No I don't think there's much a lot of precedent for attacking a country and making off with a head of state without a declaration of war. Panama is the closest, but if I remember Bush asserted that noriega declared war on the US first so Bush was acting defensively.

Look, Maduro was a trash human and the world is a better place, and we're in a stronger position, with him out of power. so that's a win win. I recognize that and even more think it was a gem of an operation. Buuuut, I can also say that this looks to have stretched the war powers act pretty far.
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HoustonAg2106 said:

Squadron7 said:

This is starting to look a bit like Trump's "Fight!" after being shot. A lot of the usual suspects are prohibited by jersey color to say it but they think it is pretty bad-ass.


This is not great for the conservative movement actually because we are 50/50 on this issue while the left if fully united against it
Pretty sure it's more important what Venezuelans think.
The left cannot kill the Spirit of Charlie Kirk.
Blackhorse83
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In other news, traffic court judge in Washtucna, Washington orders Trump administration to release Maduro on no cash bail pending review of legality of apprehension.
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Deputy Travis Junior said:

No I don't think there's much a lot of precedent for attacking a country and making off with a head of state without a declaration of war. Panama is the closest, but if I remember Bush asserted that noriega declared war on the US first so Bush was acting defensively.

Look, Maduro was a trash human and the world is a better place, and we're in a stronger position, with him out of power. so that's a win win. I recognize that and even more think it was a gem of an operation. Buuuut, I can also say that this looks to have stretched the war powers act pretty far.


Dig deeper and you'll understand why this took place. CNN and the others haven't a clue. This dude isn't some saint or innocent person.
HoustonAg2106
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techno-ag said:

HoustonAg2106 said:

Squadron7 said:

This is starting to look a bit like Trump's "Fight!" after being shot. A lot of the usual suspects are prohibited by jersey color to say it but they think it is pretty bad-ass.


This is not great for the conservative movement actually because we are 50/50 on this issue while the left if fully united against it
Pretty sure it's more important what Venezuelans think.


Spoken like a true America first supporter
Who?mikejones!
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Who?mikejones!
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Deputy Travis Junior
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The post you quoted literally says he's a trash human and deposing him makes the world a better place. Why do you think I need convincing that he isn't a saint?
backintexas2013
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This is why the libs are so mad. Maduro drug his nuts over Biden's face. The left celebrated what Biden did and now it's all come crashing down.
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HoustonAg2106 said:

Squadron7 said:

This is starting to look a bit like Trump's "Fight!" after being shot. A lot of the usual suspects are prohibited by jersey color to say it but they think it is pretty bad-ass.


This is not great for the conservative movement actually because we are 50/50 on this issue while the left is fully united against it


What freakin planet are you posting from?
techno-ag
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backintexas2013 said:

The left celebrated what Biden did and now it's all come crashing down.

Biden sighed. Venezuelans died.
The left cannot kill the Spirit of Charlie Kirk.
SpreadsheetAg
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Biden diminished
Trump finished
Zobel
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Quote:

Spoken like a true America first supporter


give reasons why this is bad for America or good for her enemies
richardag
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YouBet said:

Senator Andy Kim (who?) D-NJ is pissed.

Yeah, this process hasn't been followed since WWII because you abdicated your responsibility. Try again.

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"Secretaries Rubio and Hegseth looked every Senator in the eye a few weeks ago and said this wasn't about regime change. I didn't trust them then and we see now that they blatantly lied to Congress," Kim wrote on social platform X. "Trump rejected our Constitutionally required approval process for armed conflict because the Administration knows the American people overwhelmingly reject risks pulling our nation into another war.

It's the very definition of strength, actual sound foreign policy and reduces Americans at risk in VZ. By the way, what sane American would have been hanging out in Chavez/Maduro led VZ anyway?

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"This strike doesn't represents strength. It's not sound foreign policy," he continued. "It puts Americans only Narcoterrorists at risk in Venezuela and the region, and it sends a horrible clear and disturbing strong signal to other powerful leaders across the globe that targeting a head of state murderer and narcotics mob boss is an acceptable policy for the U.S. government."



Corrected Senator Andy Kim (who?) D-NJ statement.
Among the latter, under pretence of governing they have divided their nations into two classes, wolves and sheep.”
Thomas Jefferson, Letter to Edward Carrington, January 16, 1787
dmz233
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HoustonAg2106 said:

techno-ag said:

HoustonAg2106 said:

Squadron7 said:

This is starting to look a bit like Trump's "Fight!" after being shot. A lot of the usual suspects are prohibited by jersey color to say it but they think it is pretty bad-ass.


This is not great for the conservative movement actually because we are 50/50 on this issue while the left if fully united against it
Pretty sure it's more important what Venezuelans think.


Spoken like a true America first supporter


What's wrong with putting America first?
Gilligan
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annie88 said:

Congress pulling their bull**** about it being unconstitutional. He didn't tell the Democrats because they would've warned Venezuela and Madero and endangered our troops. They're that ****ing evil.


Congress being traitorous scum and can't be trusted with OpSec.

We should all be Americans first, but sadly we're not.
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Who?mikejones! said:




Because no one, NO ONE, respected or feared Stupid Joe.
HoustonAg2106
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dmz233 said:

HoustonAg2106 said:

techno-ag said:

HoustonAg2106 said:

Squadron7 said:

This is starting to look a bit like Trump's "Fight!" after being shot. A lot of the usual suspects are prohibited by jersey color to say it but they think it is pretty bad-ass.


This is not great for the conservative movement actually because we are 50/50 on this issue while the left if fully united against it
Pretty sure it's more important what Venezuelans think.


Spoken like a true America first supporter


What's wrong with putting America first?


Umm it was sarcasm, this action is not America first nor is prioritizing what Venezuelans feel about the US foreign policy which is the post I was responding to
richardag
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deddog said:

Saxsoon said:

One of the positives I saw in Trump was the no new wars stuff.

Guess I was wrong

Bless your heart.

The "war" has ended.

Could be the record for the shortest "war" on record. Hell, even the 6 day war was days longer.
Among the latter, under pretence of governing they have divided their nations into two classes, wolves and sheep.”
Thomas Jefferson, Letter to Edward Carrington, January 16, 1787
Squadron7
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Biden slept.

Trump klept.
AggiePops
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valvemonkey91 said:

Pylon Cam said:

The "no new wars" president strikes again


Well, that's up to Venezuela isn't it? He told them that th drugs being shipped to the USA was going to stop one way or the other. They are killing THOUSANDS of Americans DAILY. I stand with Trump on this. Mexico should get the same treatment.

No question there are far too many drug deaths. One is too many. However, you might want to get real information for a change instead of just parroting hyperbole. Look it up. It's approximately 300 deaths daily, not THOUSANDS! Far too many, regardless. Blaming the countries that are sources for drugs is all well and good, but don't forget to include some of the blame on all the stupid morons that take those drugs.
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Who?mikejones! said:




RINO Safari
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This is EXACTLY what I voted for and I'll do it again proudly in '28, no matter how much it makes the libs cry. Make Venezuela Great Again!
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backintexas2013 said:

This is why the libs are so mad. Maduro drug his nuts over Biden's face. The left celebrated what Biden did and now it's all come crashing down.



They have some idea that despots like Maduro actually give a **** that we use means like usaid or bribery policy to affect change. They fundamentally misunderstand how guys like Maduro operate. Theire strategy will never work.
Rossticus
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HoustonAg2106 said:

YouBet said:

HoustonAg2106 said:

Harry Stone said:

HoustonAg2106 said:

Zobel said:

who cares?

should the US oppose chinese expansion in the western hemisphere? or chinese expansion in critical industries and raw materials, to the point of monopolization? or their potential invasion of taiwan?

the world beyond our borders matters. our actions matter.

"hey one time some other people knocked over a statue" is about as facile a comparison as can possibly be made.


First of all if you are so concerned about the Chinese maybe stop them from invading our farm property and other industries in our own damn country. They have bought thousands of acres of land outside of militates throughout the US and we have done nothing about it.

And how are we supposed to be taken seriously about opposing Tawaiin being invaded by a foreign country when we are doing the same exact thing literally. If anything we just gave a green light to China to take Tawaiin off the board


Didnt realize Taiwan's leader was a narcoterrorist dictator who had sanctions against him. Apples to oranges my friend.


Apples and Oranges from our perspective, but China doesn't see it that way. It's entirely plausible to think they could take this as a sign of aggression and feel like their hand has now been forced to invade Taiwan just like Putin felt with Ukraine and the NATO situation.

China has already said they were going to invade Taiwan and by 2027 to be exact. So I see this as somewhat logical fallacy since you simply take them at face value and don't let what they've already said dictate what you should and shouldn't do to protect your own country in your own backyard.

Also, the entire western world has a strategic interest in Taiwan and we've already said we would defend them and so has Japan.

Hell, the UK Defense Minister told China they would nuke China if they did it.


Can you please share a link to China proclaiming their military strategies and even timelines to take Taiwan? I don't think they would share that information with the world but maybe I'm wrong.

Pretty open sourced during Biden administration. Around 2022 I think. PRC was pretty open about their 2035 plan to retake Taiwan. Then that become a 2030 and after our pullout of Afghanistan debacle it became a "we will be ready to take Taiwan by 2027." PLA set its military modernization goals at 2027 to coincide with the PLA centenary. They are also dropping new carriers in the water and setting up depots as well as making strong footholds in space. This all coincides with their goal and timeline to reunify. And all of this is on the google machine and has come straight from Xi and their foreign secretary.
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HoustonAg2106 said:


Umm it was sarcasm, this action is not America first nor is prioritizing what Venezuelans feel about the US foreign policy which is the post I was responding to
Killing narco terrorists and ending their kingdom is America First. Imprisoning people who sent their worst into our open borders is America first. Ending funding for terrorist regimes around the world is America first. Maybe you should re-evaluate your own positions.
Jock 07
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Rossticus said:



Any rare earths? Asking for a friend
TAMUallen
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HoustonAg2106 said:

dmz233 said:

HoustonAg2106 said:

techno-ag said:

HoustonAg2106 said:

Squadron7 said:

This is starting to look a bit like Trump's "Fight!" after being shot. A lot of the usual suspects are prohibited by jersey color to say it but they think it is pretty bad-ass.


This is not great for the conservative movement actually because we are 50/50 on this issue while the left if fully united against it
Pretty sure it's more important what Venezuelans think.


Spoken like a true America first supporter


What's wrong with putting America first?


Umm it was sarcasm, this action is not America first nor is prioritizing what Venezuelans feel about the US foreign policy which is the post I was responding to


You need a TDS leftist badge.

We get it. You hate Trump and anything that this administration does.

Liberal cries and outrage are the talking points despite celebrating by actual Venezuelans
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HoustonAg2106 said:

Squadron7 said:

This is starting to look a bit like Trump's "Fight!" after being shot. A lot of the usual suspects are prohibited by jersey color to say it but they think it is pretty bad-ass.


This is not great for the conservative movement actually because we are 50/50 on this issue while the left is fully united against it

USAFAg
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richardag said:

deddog said:

Saxsoon said:

One of the positives I saw in Trump was the no new wars stuff.

Guess I was wrong

Bless your heart.

The "war" has ended.

Could be the record for the shortest "war" on record. Hell, even the 6 day war was days longer.

The shortest war in history was the Anglo-Zanzibar War, fought on August 27, 1896, between the United Kingdom and the Sultanate of Zanzibar, lasting only about 38 to 45 minutes. The conflict erupted after the pro-British Sultan died and his nephew, Khalid bin Barghash, seized the palace, defying a British ultimatum to step down, leading to a swift bombardment of the palace by British warships.
 
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