twk said:PlaneCrashGuy said:Rossticus said:PlaneCrashGuy said:twk said:PlaneCrashGuy said:Rossticus said:
Anyone happen to have a link to where the draft for that agreement was released?
It wasn't released in its entirety but what it contained is well understood by all. The Wiki on peace talks confirms every point in his post.
"Ahead of the 29 March meeting Turkish president Recep Tayyip Erdoan stated that Ukraine was ready to agree to 4 out of Russia's 6 demands.[72] He claimed Ukraine was prepared to renounce NATO membership and to make Russian Ukraine's second official language.[72] According to Erdoan Ukraine was not prepared to recognise the Russian occupation of Crimea or parts of Luhansk and Donetsk Oblasts.[72] Ukraine proposed adopting a neutral status in exchange for security guarantees along the lines of NATO Article 5. The proposals also included a 15-year consultation period on the status of Russian-annexed Crimea and return of all Russian forces to their pre-invasion positions."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peace_negotiations_in_the_Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine
Thats talking about Ukraine proposing a neutral status line, not Russia. 4 out of 6 is pretty good in baseball, but not so much in contract (or, in this case, peace) negotiations.
As the tweet correctly pointed out, Ukraine is going to get a worse deal than what they were offered in 2022.
Russia's nonnegotiables in 2022 included, full "neutrality" with prohibition on any security guarantees, demilitarization of down to a symbolic shell that precluded the ability to defend themselves, and Russian involvement in establishing replacement leadership in Kyiv. While, land-wise, they may have retained more territory in the short term, Ukraine's existence as an independent nation would have been out the window. So I can fully understand their decision to roll the dice on resistance.
Ukraine already lost its "existence as an independent nation." It is wholly dependent on us and Europe.
It remains to be seen where the chips fall, so its too early to declare if they won lost, but the monday morning quarterbacking in that tweet is part of gambling. (Rolling the dice)
So, you're doubling down on that assertion, unburdened by the facts. Why not just admit that it's BS, now that you have the full picture?
Not sure which assertion you're ascribing to me. But what I previously said is universally true. Sooner is always better when you're out manned and out gunned.
Additionally, every statement in the tweet is factual per the Wiki I linked previously.
