Trump & Zelenskyy to meet face to face next week

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https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/trump-ukraine-zelensky-russia-putin-08-18-25#cmehhc7te000d3b6rlih2w1ns

Cnn is unhappy about the press corps
hph6203
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What Trump says at the end of this video made me laugh harder than I have in awhile. The REEEEEEE from the View ladies could be heard from space.

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hph6203 said:

What Trump says at the end of this video made me laugh harder than I have in awhile. The REEEEEEE from the View ladies could be heard from space.



Now that's funny. Trump never misses an opportunity to burn the left with the heat of a thousand suns. You just know that's going to set them off.
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Reading cnn to get the orange man bad perspective....its not going well for them right now.
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Who?mikejones! said:

Reading cnn to get the orange man bad perspective....its not going well for them right now.


Nope. Hard to put a negative spin on this.
nortex97
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Yeah when both CNN, which is an enemy of the state and should be treated as such, and RT sound the same cord, it's an indicator.

Talking points will go out, of course, but today was a good day.
Ellis Wyatt
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You don't have to like what I am saying, but it's the fact.

I'm not invested in this at all. I'm 100% invested in America. Not another dime to that toilet.
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Ellis Wyatt said:

You don't have to like what I am saying, but it's the fact.

I'm not invested in this at all. I'm 100% invested in America. Not another dime to that toilet. Q

I'm with you. Don't give a crap.

But no more money.
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Waffledynamics said:

That is one of the most mind-blowingly ******ed questions ever.

YOU CAN. NOT. BLAME. THE. DEFENDER. FOR. NOT. SURRENDERING.

What is wrong with so many people that this isn't intellectually insulting?

He could have made peace a few months ago and made a bad decision; and in that time he's lost more land and more people. He's also seen US and world resolve to "fight those damn Ruskies to the end" crumble. So it's a very reasonable question.

You can't negotiate terms you can't secure on the battlefield.

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Earlier they were trying to concentrate on some lie that apparently Trump has repeated a couple of times, this time in front of of Zelensky. Something about aid money.

I read that and laughed. Ain't nobody, including Zelensky and everyone else there, cares about that **** right now.
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Thanks for the clarity
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agsalaska said:

Earlier they were trying to concentrate on some lie that apparently Trump has repeated a couple of times, this time in front of of Zelensky. Something about aid money.

I read that and laughed. Ain't nobody, including Zelensky and everyone else there, cares about that **** right now.


I have also seen a talking point emerge across various leftist outlets (cnn, the atlantic and others) that the main reason trump is offering up defense guarantees is because the pressure put on by the euros who were in attendance.

Lol
blacksox
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Came here to see the clothing mania. Was not disappointed.
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Who?mikejones! said:

agsalaska said:

Earlier they were trying to concentrate on some lie that apparently Trump has repeated a couple of times, this time in front of of Zelensky. Something about aid money.

I read that and laughed. Ain't nobody, including Zelensky and everyone else there, cares about that **** right now.


I have also seen a talking point emerge across various leftist outlets (cnn, the atlantic and others) that the main reason trump is offering up defense guarantees is because the pressure put on by the euros who were in attendance.

Lol

Yeah the Euro's were only there to keep Z from getting bullied by mean ol' Trump and Vance.
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.webp

That's better.

Putin wants all the way to the existing oblast borders. Im sure ukraine would prefer to freeze the lines as is.
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Prosperdick
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Stat Monitor Repairman said:



Not only did he not take any tough questions but the VERY few times he did take questions they were all prescripted for him. Any honest lib, and there are VERY few, knows I'm right.
GAC06
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Ukraine giving up Donetsk and Luhansk, freezing the lines in Zaphorizia and Kherson, and Russia giving up the marginal gains elsewhere isn't a bad deal for Ukraine as long as there are real security guarantees/peacekeepers that keep Russia from taking another bite in a year or five.

It's also a lot less than Russia thought they would get when they invaded 3.5 years ago.
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If that real security guarantee includes American troops intervening to stop any attempts by Russia to gain new territory, that's a great deal for Ukraine

But a horrible deal for the United States. So I'm hoping that's not the case.
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Likely to be euro troops and not a part of nato
nortex97
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I forgot to even notice and laugh at the fact that Trump didn't even bother to invite Carney.
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nortex97
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In a non-combat role we've been providing air security throughout the conflict, via P-8, E7, E-3, global hawk and other surveillance (also space-based). This has afforded both targeting information (offensive) and significant defensive coordination/protection (for Ukrainian Air Force/Army assets as well as their populace/military infrastructure).

This is actually the most significant real military assistance they've been given (for free), and has kept Kiev in the fight throughout the conflict much more than 155mm shells/cash etc. These are also not cheap platforms to develop, equip, staff, maintain, deploy and operate, but the costs are often not reflected in comparisons of aid spend/donations.
CS78
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nortex97 said:

In a non-combat role we've been providing air security throughout the conflict, via P-8, E7, E-3, global hawk and other surveillance (also space-based). This has afforded both targeting information (offensive) and significant defensive coordination/protection (for Ukrainian Air Force/Army assets as well as their populace/military infrastructure).

This is actually the most significant real military assistance they've been given (for free), and has kept Kiev in the fight throughout the conflict much more than 155mm shells/cash etc. These are also not cheap platforms to develop, equip, staff, maintain, deploy and operate, but the costs are often not reflected in comparisons of aid spend/donations.


And no better training than real world training. Money well spent on our future.
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blacksox said:

Came here to see the clothing mania. Was not disappointed.


You'd think half the posters here, had a seat on "The View", with their wardrobe critiques.
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GAC06 said:

Ukraine giving up Donetsk and Luhansk, freezing the lines in Zaphorizia and Kherson, and Russia giving up the marginal gains elsewhere isn't a bad deal for Ukraine as long as there are real security guarantees/peacekeepers that keep Russia from taking another bite in a year or five.

It's also a lot less than Russia thought they would get when they invaded 3.5 years ago.

There are in fact two things, science and opinion; the former begets knowledge, the later ignorance. Hippocrates
No Spin Ag
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nortex97 said:

I forgot to even notice and laugh at the fact that Trump didn't even bother to invite Carney.


Why would Canada even be there? They're not in Europe.
There are in fact two things, science and opinion; the former begets knowledge, the later ignorance. Hippocrates
FireAg
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Agree…just like wouldn't expect to see Mexico there either…
Prosperdick
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FireAg said:

Agree…just like wouldn't expect to see Mexico there either…

Mexico isn't part of NATO...Canada is.
Ag with kids
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Prosperdick said:

FireAg said:

Agree…just like wouldn't expect to see Mexico there either…

Mexico isn't part of NATO...Canada is.

Well, then...the leaders of the vast majority of NATO weren't invited, either...
FireAg
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Okay but there are what…32 NATO countries? Most of them weren't invited…several of them who have much more interest in that region than Canada…
Prosperdick
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FireAg said:

Okay but there are what…32 NATO countries? Most of them weren't invited…several of them who have much more interest in that region than Canada…

That region? Have you looked at a globe recently? Canada is pretty damn close to Russia and one of the 12 founding members of NATO. I'd say they have a vested interest but got snubbed.

This is a silly argument so we can move on.
Im Gipper
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Poland, Hungary, etc. would all have more reason to be there than Canada.

This is classic example of trying to start a controversy where none exists.

I'm Gipper
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Prosperdick said:

FireAg said:

Okay but there are what…32 NATO countries? Most of them weren't invited…several of them who have much more interest in that region than Canada…

That region? Have you looked at a globe recently? Canada is pretty damn close to Russia and one of the 12 founding members of NATO. I'd say they have a vested interest but got snubbed.

This is a silly argument so we can move on.

Are there 11 NATO countries represented there? Guess they got snubbed too...

There were only 5 countries represented there - France, Germany, Italy, UK, and Finland (who only joined in 2023 because Russia did this invasion).

Then there was the NATO SG and the European Commission President.

Where are the other 7 founding members of NATO? Or the 27 CURRENT members of NATO?

To act like Canada somehow got singled out is just silly...
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Apollo79 said:

So young people on both sides need to continue to die because some here really hate Putin seems reasonable
 
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