Doctors in general are awful with money, full stop. No disputes there. I don't see how that has anything to do with this thread though, as the two individuals in question posted claims that are directly and easily refuted by literally all available statistics on the topic.

I don't need a law degree to post objective statistical data that refutes the claims they made. They claimed domestic violence hasn't decreased over the last several decades. That is objectively false, as there is literally no data available anywhere to show it hasn't and mountains that shows it has. I then made note of the hard to ignore temporal relationship to no fault divorce becoming widespread while acknowledging I cannot prove the link. I merely noted it is a notable and glaring correlation.

You posted two pieces of information as causally linked when you can't even prove correlation. That's not statistics, that's presenting a personal belief as fact. Just like physicians aren't attorneys or accountants, they're also not statisticians

Covid proved how terrible physicians are with data, trends, statistics, and probabilities.

Tango.Mike said:

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Covid proved how terrible physicians are with data, trends, statistics, and probabilities.

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And apparently healthcare...

Burnsey said:

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Point remains. Does a Revocable Trusts provide protection as alternative to prenups?

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No.

Revocable trust.

Find it interesting that some know so much about illnesses and medicine but the doctor is wrong on the statistics he has read about marriage.

Btw, should prenuptials happen for the poor/working class?

Know a couple of women who worked their ass off to become nurses after marrying young. But when their lower class husband lost his mechanic or landscaping job, he thought he was too good to run a register or be a janitor. So he spent his time looking for jobs on the PS4 and in beer cans and pool table nights with his friends.

And yes, you will post women refuse to work 90% of the time in these situations.

But video games are very popular for unemployed men while they "look" for a job.

Tanya 93 said:

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Find it interesting that some know so much about illnesses and medicine but the doctor is wrong on the statistics he has read about marriage.

Btw, should prenuptials happen for the poor/working class?

Know a couple of women who worked their ass off to become nurses after marrying young. But when their lower class husband lost his mechanic or landscaping job, he thought he was too good to run a register or be a janitor. So he spent his time looking for jobs on the PS4 and in beer cans and pool table nights with his friends.

And yes, you will post women refuse to work 90% of the time in these situations.

But video games are very popular for unemployed men while they "look" for a job.

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I would recommend marriage counseling in that situation.

A lot of marriage counseling.

And then, start keeping separate bank accounts and just not paying for stuff. Video games cost money, too.

And then, more marriage counseling.

Then, an intervention that includes some of his family members.

Then, more marriage counseling.

If the dude is still surfing the couch after all that, ask if he needs a vacation in a psyche ward.

Then, call a lawyer. Think about an at-fault divorce. Couch surfing for multiple years is going to help your case of emotional abandonment.

Or, if you just don't like the guy, and don't really believe that marriage should be a "for better or worse, for richer for poorer, till death do us part" thing, skip the marriage counseling, let him have the house and the best car, and walk away.

Mr.Milkshake said:

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Very few people have enough under the age of 30-32 to warrant a prenup

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Obviously have never browsed the business and investing board.

Tanya 93 said:

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Find it interesting that some know so much about illnesses and medicine but the doctor is wrong on the statistics he has read about marriage.

Btw, should prenuptials happen for the poor/working class?

Know a couple of women who worked their ass off to become nurses after marrying young. But when their lower class husband lost his mechanic or landscaping job, he thought he was too good to run a register or be a janitor. So he spent his time looking for jobs on the PS4 and in beer cans and pool table nights with his friends.

And yes, you will post women refuse to work 90% of the time in these situations.

But video games are very popular for unemployed men while they "look" for a job.

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Tanya, maybe you are confused. Most (reasonable) posters aren't talking about how finances earned after marriage should or shouldn't be divvied up. You're zeroing in far too much on the troll posters who make every divorce out to be the wife's fault.

This is about wealth generated before marriage and who has a right to it after marriage potentially turns into divorce.

Lower class husband?!

Think I found the problem.

Reading this thread reveals the extent to which we're all victims of the sexual revolution and feminism. They've really done a number on us.

Do you ever stop sniping?
If the situation was reversed, she would be the bad guy. But of course, he is not.

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Tanya 93 said:

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Find it interesting that some know so much about illnesses and medicine but the doctor is wrong on the statistics he has read about marriage.

Btw, should prenuptials happen for the poor/working class?

Know a couple of women who worked their ass off to become nurses after marrying young. But when their lower class husband lost his mechanic or landscaping job, he thought he was too good to run a register or be a janitor. So he spent his time looking for jobs on the PS4 and in beer cans and pool table nights with his friends.

And yes, you will post women refuse to work 90% of the time in these situations.

But video games are very popular for unemployed men while they "look" for a job.

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Tanya, maybe you are confused. Most (reasonable) posters aren't talking about how finances earned after marriage should or shouldn't be divvied up. You're zeroing in far too much on the troll posters who make every divorce out to be the wife's fault.

This is about wealth generated before marriage and who has a right to it after marriage potentially turns into divorce.

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Much of this thread is about him becoming wealthy after they marry and then rants on how she does nothing but spend his money and eat candy.

Tanya 93 said:

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Do you ever stop sniping?
If the situation was reversed, she would be the bad guy. But of course, he is not.

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You referred to him as her "lower class husband". Regardless of the details or who did what, if that's how you or she sees men who work manual labor, specifically her husband, that says a lot.

Let me give you some life advice. The overwhelming majority of men - 80%+ - would rather be respected than loved.

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Tanya 93 said:

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Do you ever stop sniping?
If the situation was reversed, she would be the bad guy. But of course, he is not.

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You referred to him as her "lower class husband". Regardless of the details or who did what, if that's how you or she sees men who work manual labor, specifically her husband, that says a lot.

Let me give you some life advice. The overwhelming majority of men - 80%+ - would rather be respected than loved.

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You have no problem seeing her as one.

But play the innocent

I am done arguing with someone who can't just say this guy is wrong but instead picks out a single phrase.
She is still the bad guy instead of a man that refuses to work for years.

Tanya 93 said:

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I've been with a lot of women, most of them didn't have faith, and were a little crazy. I've been married twice. The first one didn't have faith, nor did I. It was a marriage of two people just serving their own needs. I'll let you guess how it went. My current wife loves Jesus even more than she loves me, and we have an amazing marriage.

As a 53 year old man that has lived some life, for you young guys…. That should be the absolute #1 criteria. Marry a woman the loves Jesus.

Then you don't have to worry about a prenup.

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Until the love of Jesus begins to fade because of the crappy way he treats her and sometimes the kids.

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I said wife because I was speaking from my experience. But you are right, that street definitely goes both ways. I've told all my kids that loving Jesus is the most important criteria in a spouse. The man, armored with the love of Jesus needs to be the servant leader of the family, which means serving His family, like Jesus served His disciples. Men today need to start acting like men and be the leader of their family that God designed them to be. Carrying the weight, because God built us with broad shoulders. Providing discipline (through love), because God built us to protect our families. How amazing would our world be if men just starting acting like biblical men and lead their families?

Anyone who does not provide for their relatives, and especially for their own household, has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever. - 1Timothy 5:8

I'll challenge you in what you said... the love of Jesus shouldn't fade in a woman because of a way a man treats of her. I'd encourage that woman to start surrounding herself with mature Christian women that can help her strengthen her faith to the point that no one... not even her husband or children can sway her affection for Jesus. It's the only way she will be able to get through it.

If you come into the marriage just out of college and you have nothing to your name? A prenup is meaningless. If you get married in your 30s or later after you have acquired significant assets? Then yes it is required.

I was married young in my mid twenties and we were both in law/grad school so were poor.

divorced and I handled it myself, nothing to really divide up.

now 25 years later you bet your @##@ I am getting a hardcore pre-nup if I ever get married a second time.

I know an older couple now, they met when they were probably 50. She was pretty hot for that age and he was a cool guy who hid it big with a few investments.

He made her sign a prenup, which she did willingly. They have had a great relationship ever since. I can't help but think that the prenup helped the relationship in this case.

What's the incentive to work out issues or get along when you know you can leave and take half?

Many such cases 😂 pic.twitter.com/f5Lwemm2s4

— Giga Based Dad (@GigaBasedDad) May 6, 2025

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