Mass casualty event New Orleans

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Probably not related but who knows

https://www.foxnews.com/us/new-orleans-parish-assistant-da-dies-apparent-suicide-office-report
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Unless the Feds showed up and uncovered something illegal, related or not, to the attack.

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Wonder what's in the cooler he's wheeling around?

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More curious about who he's waving to.
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Has the fire that put itself out in his house been confirmed by multiple outlets?
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TexasRebel said:

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Jabbar had also set fire to a short-term rental house on Mandeville Street in New Orleans, where bomb-making materials were found, Friday's joint statement added, "in his effort to destroy it and other evidence of his crime."

The New Orleans Fire Department responded to the fire at around 5:18 a.m., after Jabbar had carried out the attack on Bourbon Street, but the fire had "extinguished itself" before spreading to other rooms, allowing for the "recovery of evidence, including pre-cursors for bomb making material and a privately made device suspected of being a silencer for a rifle," the statement said.

The agencies said in the statement that it was determined that Jabbar was the only person who could have set the fire.
That's new information. Fire extinguished itself? Hmm. Weird.


A lot of building materials these days are fire resistant.


I'm guessing the interiors might have been upgraded but those house were built sometime in the 1800's.
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bkag9824 said:

More curious about who he's waving to.
This. Appears to be a pretty deliberate wave, like he's making damn sure he's got someone's attention, then just leaves the cooler next to the trash can. Doesn't look like something he would do as any type of diversion...definitely looks like he's communicating with someone to me.
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tmaggie50 said:

Has the fire that put itself out in his house been confirmed by multiple outlets?
Was in the presser yesterday.

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Joshua Jackson, Special Agent in Charge of the ATF New Orleans Field Division, addressed further details regarding the fire and explosive devices and the firearms found at the scene, including:
  • Jabbar drove to New Orleans from Houston by himself, and throughout his time at the rental home, he was the only one seen coming and going from it.
  • He left the home at 12:15 a.m. They know he set the fire before leaving because, at 12:17 a.m., the Nest thermostat converted from heating to cooling. During the entire time of his stay, the weather had been cold and the heat was running inside the residence. It changed shortly after he left because the thermostat indicated that the temperature was rising inside the residence.
  • He used an open flame to start the fire in a linen closet area next to the washer and dryer in a closed-off hallway. He also set a half-gallon of accelerant (gasoline) in a plastic container in that hallway and poured accelerant in rooms throughout the house they believe in an effort to burn the house down and hide evidence of his crimes.
  • As the fire grew in the closed-off area, it eventually ran out of oxygen/fuel and smothered itself before it could spread to the accelerants placed in the other rooms.
  • At 5:18 a.m., neighbors smelled smoke in the air and contacted 911.
  • The New Orleans Fire Department responded to the residence, put out the smoldering fire, and observed the bomb-making materials inside the house.
  • Firearms involved included a semi-automatic pistol (9 mm) and a semi-automatic rifle (.308 caliber).
  • The ATF made contact with an individual who completed a private sale of the rifle on November 19, 2024, in Arlington, Texas. They do not believe the individual knows Jabbar, knew that he was radicalized, or that an attack was imminent it was a chance encounter and a lawful private sale.
  • Additionally, privately made "silencers" were recovered, and these are still being analyzed. One of these "silencers" was on the rifle Jabbar was using in an apparent attempt to muffle the sound of the rifle as he fired it. One was also recovered inside the rental home.
  • The explosive material recovered at the Mandeville Street address was field-tested by bomb techs as "ARsault" (sp?), which is similar to RDX (readily available in the U.S.). The same field tests were performed at Jabbar's residence in Houston and tested as true RDX. The FBI lab will conduct additional tests of the material, which they believe will turn out to be commonly found explosives.
  • The detonator on the devices was unique. Jabbar apparently did not have access to a detonator, so he used an "electric match" to set them off. In other words, the devices themselves were not novel; just the device used to detonate them was, which they attribute to his inexperience.

Link is on previously page of this thread for the full presser.
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aggiedata said:

Wonder what's in the cooler he's wheeling around?


Remember when Google Glass was announced and the huge backlash over privacy concerns? The project was eventually canned.

Fast forward to 2024 with Rayban and Meta releasing essentially the same thing and I haven't heard squat about them, sans a few commercials and now terrorist guy using them.
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what is fascinating is that the Islamic terrorists often times have some decent intelligence and skills.

but then most of the time their actual operations fail and do not achieve their optimum scenario.

it's as if they can't brainstorm and plan for all kinds of outcomes, or be completely proficient in thinking through an issue from start to finish.
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LMCane said:

what is fascinating is that the Islamic terrorists often times have some decent intelligence and skills.

but then most of the time their actual operations fail and do not achieve their optimum scenario.

it's as if they can't brainstorm and plan for all kinds of outcomes, or be completely proficient in thinking through an issue from start to finish.
McVeigh was caught because he was driving his car without a license plate. The devil is always in the details or the terrorist or both.
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LMCane said:

what is fascinating is that the Islamic terrorists often times have some decent intelligence and skills.

but then most of the time their actual operations fail and do not achieve their optimum scenario.

it's as if they can't brainstorm and plan for all kinds of outcomes, or be completely proficient in thinking through an issue from start to finish.
A line from the movie Bodyheat from Mickey Rourke's character, an arsonist to his lawyer, William Hurt.

(Paraphrasing) Anytime you try to commit a decent crime, there are over a hundred ways to screw up and get caught or famous in the act. You are a genius if you can think of fifty of them. And you, counselor, are no genius.
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FriendlyAg said:

Independence H-D said:

Questions....

It has been widely reported that this guy was in financial ruin. So, how did he afford trips to Egypt and Canada? How did he afford multiple trips to NOLA? How did he afford the Airbnb? How did he afford META glasses?

He had support from somewhere.....
You can be in financial ruin and cash everything out knowing you're not coming back. He had a job for a long time. He likely had a 401k, some assets, etc.

If you're know you're going to die on a certain date and don't intend to leave any funds to anyone, you can use all of that to go where you need.

Or he asks his neighbors/community to borrow funds and he would pay them back.
You could be right about the finances. That still leaves the question why international travel? Seems he was most likely meeting someone or some organization.
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Among the latter, under pretence of governing they have divided their nations into two classes, wolves and sheep.”
Thomas Jefferson, Letter to Edward Carrington, January 16, 1787
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richardag said:

FriendlyAg said:

Independence H-D said:

Questions....

It has been widely reported that this guy was in financial ruin. So, how did he afford trips to Egypt and Canada? How did he afford multiple trips to NOLA? How did he afford the Airbnb? How did he afford META glasses?

He had support from somewhere.....
You can be in financial ruin and cash everything out knowing you're not coming back. He had a job for a long time. He likely had a 401k, some assets, etc.

If you're know you're going to die on a certain date and don't intend to leave any funds to anyone, you can use all of that to go where you need.

Or he asks his neighbors/community to borrow funds and he would pay them back.
You could be right about the finances. That still leaves the question why international travel? Seems he was most likely meeting someone or some organization.
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He said he joined isis. He probably met with someone while in Egypt for some kind of indoctrination/training, but that doesn't mean he had accomplices here.

Honestly, I'm more curious on where he got the RDX. AFAIK, you can't just buy that stuff.
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That still leaves the question why international travel? Seems he was most likely meeting someone or some organization.
no doubt about it
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LMCane said:

what is fascinating is that the Islamic terrorists often times have some decent intelligence and skills.

but then most of the time their actual operations fail and do not achieve their optimum scenario.

it's as if they can't brainstorm and plan for all kinds of outcomes, or be completely proficient in thinking through an issue from start to finish.
The universe doesn't want it to happen with 100% efficiency.
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Plastic??
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LMCane said:

what is fascinating is that the Islamic terrorists often times have some decent intelligence and skills.

but then most of the time their actual operations fail and do not achieve their optimum scenario.

it's as if they can't brainstorm and plan for all kinds of outcomes, or be completely proficient in thinking through an issue from start to finish.


I'm guessing their masterminds aren't the ones eager to reach room temperature.
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ABATTBQ11 said:

richardag said:

FriendlyAg said:

Independence H-D said:

Questions....

It has been widely reported that this guy was in financial ruin. So, how did he afford trips to Egypt and Canada? How did he afford multiple trips to NOLA? How did he afford the Airbnb? How did he afford META glasses?

He had support from somewhere.....
You can be in financial ruin and cash everything out knowing you're not coming back. He had a job for a long time. He likely had a 401k, some assets, etc.

If you're know you're going to die on a certain date and don't intend to leave any funds to anyone, you can use all of that to go where you need.

Or he asks his neighbors/community to borrow funds and he would pay them back.
You could be right about the finances. That still leaves the question why international travel? Seems he was most likely meeting someone or some organization.
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He said he joined isis. He probably met with someone while in Egypt for some kind of indoctrination/training, but that doesn't mean he had accomplices here.

Honestly, I'm more curious on where he got the RDX. AFAIK, you can't just buy that stuff.


Has any info been released about whether this guy spoke an Arabic language? He was raised in the US, where was he born and was Arabic spoken in the home? I ask because from what I see the Islamist websites that spout the terrorist crap are in Arabic and any people he likely met would speak Arabic.
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He was raised in the US, where was he born and was Arabic spoken in the home? I ask because from what I see the Islamist websites that spout the terrorist crap are in Arabic and any people he likely met would speak Arabic.
Disagree with that. Terrorists are more multilingual, especially if they are recruiters for sleeper cells that are unaware of the other members of the cell, until activated.
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aggiehawg said:

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He was raised in the US, where was he born and was Arabic spoken in the home? I ask because from what I see the Islamist websites that spout the terrorist crap are in Arabic and any people he likely met would speak Arabic.
Disagree with that. Terrorists are more multilingual, especially if they are recruiters for sleeper cells that are unaware of the other members of the cell, until activated.


What do we know about his family Nationality though? I have missed any info on that. Did they emigrate from overseas or is his family homegrown Nation of Islam Muslims?
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Apparently he had the precursors and made it in Houston. FBI said this a couple of days ago.
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What do we know about his family Nationality though? I have missed any info on that. Did they emigrate from overseas or is his family homegrown Nation of Islam Muslims?
Best I can tell his family were American born but converted to Islam when he was young.
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El Gallo Blanco said:

bkag9824 said:

More curious about who he's waving to.
This. Appears to be a pretty deliberate wave, like he's making damn sure he's got someone's attention, then just leaves the cooler next to the trash can. Doesn't look like something he would do as any type of diversion...definitely looks like he's communicating with someone to me.
Yep, regardless of what the fbi says, he appears to not be working alone. That was a wave of "noted".
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aggiehawg said:

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What do we know about his family Nationality though? I have missed any info on that. Did they emigrate from overseas or is his family homegrown Nation of Islam Muslims?
Best I can tell his family were American born but converted to Islam when he was young.
In an article I posted from the NYT, it said his father converted to Islam. It also stated his mother remained Christian.

Archive, so no paywall.
https://archive.is/jMaEB#selection-5077.0-5095.175
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RGLAG85 said:

El Gallo Blanco said:

bkag9824 said:

More curious about who he's waving to.
This. Appears to be a pretty deliberate wave, like he's making damn sure he's got someone's attention, then just leaves the cooler next to the trash can. Doesn't look like something he would do as any type of diversion...definitely looks like he's communicating with someone to me.
Yep, regardless of what the fbi says, he appears to not be working alone. That was a wave of "noted".
Agree. The ever common "lone wolf" claim to divert from the coordinate plotting seems doubtful.
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New episode of "Storage Wars" incoming...

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HARRIS COUNTY, Texas - FBI Houston confirms that a "court-authorized law enforcement activity" was conducted at a storage facility on Monday night in relation to the New Orleans attack.

The operation was conducted in the 11900 block of Walters Road, about a mile away from Shamsud-Din Jabbar's Houston-area home.

The FBI did not say what they were looking for but said "there was, and is, no threat to public safety at this time in relation to that activity."

The scene was cleared around midnight.

 
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