Mass casualty event New Orleans

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BCG Disciple said:

Seems like common bomb builder knowledge if a twice divorced depressed realtor sole actor realtor knows.
Well, he did. Face it, it's not terror. Or maybe it is, but he acted alone. They said so.
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Jabbar had also set fire to a short-term rental house on Mandeville Street in New Orleans, where bomb-making materials were found, Friday's joint statement added, "in his effort to destroy it and other evidence of his crime."

The New Orleans Fire Department responded to the fire at around 5:18 a.m., after Jabbar had carried out the attack on Bourbon Street, but the fire had "extinguished itself" before spreading to other rooms, allowing for the "recovery of evidence, including pre-cursors for bomb making material and a privately made device suspected of being a silencer for a rifle," the statement said.

The agencies said in the statement that it was determined that Jabbar was the only person who could have set the fire.
That's new information. Fire extinguished itself? Hmm. Weird.
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The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) has determined that Jabbar was the only person who could have had access to the residence when the fire was set.



Video footage, like ring doorbell? No other way to know, right?

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ATF also determined that Jabbar set a small fire in the hallway and strategically placed accelerants throughout the house in his effort to destroy it and other evidence of his crime. After Jabbar left the residence, the fire burned to a point that it extinguished itself prior to spreading to other rooms.


https://www.fbi.gov/news/press-releases/fbi-atf-joint-investigative-update-on-bourbon-street-attack
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BMX Bandit said:

More on that

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The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) has determined that Jabbar was the only person who could have had access to the residence when the fire was set.



Video footage, like ring doorbell? No other way to know, right?

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ATF also determined that Jabbar set a small fire in the hallway and strategically placed accelerants throughout the house in his effort to destroy it and other evidence of his crime. After Jabbar left the residence, the fire burned to a point that it extinguished itself prior to spreading to other rooms.


https://www.fbi.gov/news/press-releases/fbi-atf-joint-investigative-update-on-bourbon-street-attack
Someone didn't understand the principles of accelerants. He may have had some limited knowledge of bomb making but he sucked at being an arsonist.
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He may have had some limited knowledge of bomb making but he sucked at being an arsonist.
To be fair, his bombs didn't work any better. Thankfully he sucked at just about everything besides driving a truck.
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As reported here, this is not encouraging.

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Mayor LaToya Cantrell's administration is replacing the protective poles known as bollards that in 2017 were placed along Bourbon to help prevent against acts of terrorism involving large trucks. The project got underway in November and is not yet complete, which is why bollards were not in place when Shamsud-Din Jabbar turned onto Bourbon from Canal Street to begin his deadly rampage.


The 2017 bollards, manufactured by U.K.-based Heald, are rated to withstand a collision with a 15,000-pound vehicle moving at 40 miles per hour, according to Heald's website. That is roughly the weight of a medium-size delivery truck. When announcing the project, city leaders referenced the 2016 attack in Nice, France, where a cargo truck was driven into crowds, killing 86 people.
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To replace those bollards, the Cantrell administration is installing a system rated to withstand collisions with 5,000-pound vehicles moving at approximately 10 miles per hour. The rating of the new system, S-10, is at the lowest end of its rating scale for protective bollards. Jabbar's F-150 Lightning weighed approximately 6,000 pounds and appeared in videos to be moving far faster than 10mph after making it on to Bourbon Street.
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S-10 rated bollards are typically used to protect storefronts from slow-moving vehicles or to guard against miscues when drivers are exiting parking lots, according to Scott Rosenbloom, who has owned bollard manufacturing companies and worked in bollard sales for 40 years.

The rating of the new system "is exponentially, far less than what they currently have," said Rosenbloom.

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Are other lines of defense coming to Bourbon Street?
In addition to going with bollards which offered protection on that lesser weight scale, known as the ASFM F3016, officials chose bollards with the lowest designation on that scale.
"It's the lowest of the low," said Jeff Halaut, a security consultant who advises governmental clients. "I don't know any consultant or any engineering or design firm that knows anything about crash ratings that would put an S-10 in a target-rich environment."
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aggiehawg said:

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Jabbar had also set fire to a short-term rental house on Mandeville Street in New Orleans, where bomb-making materials were found, Friday's joint statement added, "in his effort to destroy it and other evidence of his crime."

The New Orleans Fire Department responded to the fire at around 5:18 a.m., after Jabbar had carried out the attack on Bourbon Street, but the fire had "extinguished itself" before spreading to other rooms, allowing for the "recovery of evidence, including pre-cursors for bomb making material and a privately made device suspected of being a silencer for a rifle," the statement said.

The agencies said in the statement that it was determined that Jabbar was the only person who could have set the fire.
That's new information. Fire extinguished itself? Hmm. Weird.


A lot of building materials these days are fire resistant.
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agent-maroon said:

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He may have had some limited knowledge of bomb making but he sucked at being an arsonist.
To be fair, his bombs didn't work any better. Thankfully he sucked at just about everything besides driving a truck.


He ran into a lift. He wasn't too good at driving either.
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Good confirmation.
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91AggieLawyer said:

annie88 said:

Wasn't this the corrupt ***** that was fired from a California department?



It appears from everything I've seen that she isn't corrupt. In fact, if anything, its the opposite. Plus, given her admissions like the one you referenced, she may be too honest.

Now, whether she's competent or not, and certainly whether she can run the PD of a city like New Orleans, that remains to be seen. She would probably be a better fit at somewhere like Tucson, Albuquerque or KC -- something of similar size (maybe a bit smaller in metro) to NO, but less of a target for something like happened yesterday.

It also appears that she should have spent more time GETTING Homeland type terrorist training and less time GIVING FBI training of whatever she was doing. The expertise she may have, to the extent she has any, seems to be administratively focused. That's fine, and indeed can be worthwhile, but it doesn't qualify her to run this type of investigation.

I think people that hired her dropped the ball here, but I'm not sure it was due to any corruption. I still want to know the follow up from the whole pedestrian accident a few months ago and why she doesn't (or didn't) have a driver.
Another DEI hire. What is her annual salary/ total compensation package?
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nortex97 said:



Good confirmation.
See. "He acted alone. Unless he didn't. But we're going to continue to lie to you. You can be sure we're telling you the truth."
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Wait it gets worse:

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Louisiana Governor Jeff Landry spoke first, largely focusing on each of the 14 victims, who he identified by name. Landry noted that he has issued an executive order establishing a separate day of mourning for each of the victims.

FBI Deputy Assistant Director Christopher Raia also spoke, affirming that protecting the American People from terrorism be it international, domestic, or state-sponsored remains the Bureau's number one priority. He also affirmed that all of the information gathered thus far points to the suspect, Shamsud-Din Jabbar, having acted alone and noted the challenges of identifying and disrupting lone wolf attacks.
FBI New Orleans Special Agent in Charge Lyonel Myrthil spoke next. Here are the key pieces of information he provided:
  • They are following leads in Houston, Texas; Atlanta, Georgia; Tampa, Florida; and internationally.
  • FBI Houston has recovered evidence from Jabbar's residence and is processing it in the FBI laboratories.
  • Interviews are being conducted with hundreds of witnesses.
  • Jabbar traveled to Cairo, Egypt, from June 22 to July 3, 2023. A few days later (on July 10), he flew to Ontario, Canada, and returned to the U.S. on July 13, 2023. Looking into where he went, who he met with, and whether those trips tie into this attack.
  • Jabbar made at least two trips to New Orleans in the months preceding the attack one in October and one in November 2024.
  • He stayed at a rental home in New Orleans beginning October 30, 2024, and was in town for at least two days, during which time he used Meta glasses to record a video as he rode through the French Quarter on a bicycle. (That video was shared as Myrthil described it.) Myrthil explained that Meta glasses look like regular glasses but allow the user to record videos and photos hands-free, as well as allowing the user to live stream.
  • Jabbar was wearing Meta glasses when he conducted the attack but did not activate the glasses to livestream the attack.
  • Jabbar was also in New Orleans on November 10, 2024 they are still piecing together the details of that trip.
  • Jabbar was seen on video on December 31, 2024, at one of multiple gun stores he visited in Texas.
  • Jabbar then stopped at a business in Texas and purchased one of the ice chests used to hide the IEDs.
  • He entered Louisiana on December 31, 2024, at approximately 2:30 p.m.
  • He rented a vehicle that was seen again in Gonzales, Louisiana, around 9:00 p.m.
  • By 10:00 p.m., home camera footage shows Jabbar unloading the white pickup truck in New Orleans outside of the Mandeville Street rental home.
  • At 12:41 a.m., Jabbar parked the truck and walked to Royal and Governor Nicholls Street; he placed the first IED in the cooler at Bourbon and St. Peters Street at 1:53 a.m. Someone then dragged the cooler about a block to Bourbon and Orleans, where it was found after the attack, but they have no reason to believe that person was involved.
  • Jabbar placed the second IED in a bucket-type cooler at 2:20 a.m. on Bourbon and Toulouse Streets.
  • He is seen wearing a long brown coat in the videos, and it was recovered in the F-150.
  • At 3:15 a.m., Jabbar used the pickup truck as a lethal weapon before crashing into the construction equipment and then being stopped by the New Orleans police.
  • Shortly after 5:00 a.m., a fire was reported at the rental home on Mandeville Street. The New Orleans Fire Department found explosive devices upon entering the home.
  • They believe he was solely responsible for the fire and that he set it before heading to Bourbon Street.

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Joshua Jackson, Special Agent in Charge of the ATF New Orleans Field Division, addressed further details regarding the fire and explosive devices and the firearms found at the scene, including:
  • Jabbar drove to New Orleans from Houston by himself, and throughout his time at the rental home, he was the only one seen coming and going from it,
  • He left the home at 12:15 a.m. They know he set the fire before leaving because, at 12:17 a.m., the Nest thermostat converted from heating to cooling. During the entire time of his stay, the weather had been cold and the heat was running inside the residence. It changed shortly after he left because the thermostat indicated that the temperature was rising inside the residence.
  • He used an open flame to start the fire in a linen closet area next to the washer and dryer in a closed-off hallway. He also set a half-gallon of accelerant (gasoline) in a plastic container in that hallway and poured accelerant in rooms throughout the house they believe in an effort to burn the house down and hide evidence of his crimes.
  • As the fire grew in the closed-off area, it eventually ran out of oxygen/fuel and smothered itself before spreading to the accelerants placed in the other rooms.
  • At 5:18 a.m., neighbors smelled smoke in the air and contacted 911.
  • The New Orleans Fire Department responded to the residence, put out the smoldering fire, and observed the bomb-making materials inside the house.
  • Firearms involved included a semi-automatic pistol (9 mm) and a semi-automatic rifle (.308 caliber).
  • The ATF made contact with an individual who completed a private sale of the rifle on November 19, 2024, in Arlington, Texas. They do not believe the individual knows Jabbar, knew that he was radicalized, or that an attack was imminent it was a chance encounter and a lawful private sale.
  • Additionally, privately made "silencers" were recovered, and these are still being analyzed. One of these "silencers" was on the rifle Jabbar was using in an apparent attempt to muffle the sound of the rifle as he fired it. One was also recovered inside the rental home.
  • The explosive material recovered at the Mandeville Street address was field-tested by bomb techs as "ARsault" (sp?), which is similar to RDX (readily available in the U.S.) The same field tests were performed at Jabbar's residence in Houston and tested as true RDX. The FBI lab will conduct additional tests of the material, which they believe will turn out to be commonly found explosives.
  • The detonator on the devices was unique. Jabbar apparently did not have access to a detonator, so he used an "electric match" to set them off. In other words, the devices themselves were not novel; just the device used to detonate them was, which they attribute to his inexperience.

Full video of the presser is at the LINK
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"Shortly after 5:00 a.m., a fire was reported at the rental home on Mandeville Street. The New Orleans Fire Department found explosive devices upon entering the home.
They believe he was solely responsible for the fire and that he set it before heading to Bourbon Street."


Wasn't the rental a single wide trailer? Those usually burn into a raging inferno within 10 minutes.
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Ellis Wyatt said:

nortex97 said:



Good confirmation.
See. "He acted alone. Unless he didn't. But we're going to continue to lie to you. You can be sure we're telling you the truth."
Maybe any going to that hq should never be allowed back.
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Wasn't the rental a single wide trailer? Those usually burn into a raging inferno within 10 minutes.
That was where he was living in Houston.

The rental he tried to set on fire was on Mandeville Street in NOLA.
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How is that "worse"?
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Questions....

It has been widely reported that this guy was in financial ruin. So, how did he afford trips to Egypt and Canada? How did he afford multiple trips to NOLA? How did he afford the Airbnb? How did he afford META glasses?

He had support from somewhere.....
Ellis Wyatt
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They'll tell you what they want you to believe. And then they'll destroy whatever is inconvenient. Now stop asking questions.
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And a house rental during NYE and Sugar Bowl at that.
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GAC06 said:

How is that "worse"?
The sheer amount of info they have already gleaned about his travels, his purchases for a guy who was supposedly broke? International travel? Who paid for that?

Reminds me of the Routh guy who tried to kill Trump on the golf course. For a supposedly poor guy he sure did travel a lot. Living in Hawaii is not cheap either.
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aggiehawg said:

GAC06 said:

How is that "worse"?
The sheer amount of info they have already gleaned about his travels, his purchases for a guy who was supposedly broke? International travel? Who paid for that?

Reminds me of the Routh guy who tried to kill Trump on the golf course. For a supposedly poor guy he sure did travel a lot. Living in Hawaii is not cheap either.


When they don't find enough info, it's fishy here. When they find a fair amount, it's also somehow fishy here. The guy was once making money, and the travel and guns and rentals, etc all probably come to less than 10-15k
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Independence H-D said:

Questions....

It has been widely reported that this guy was in financial ruin. So, how did he afford trips to Egypt and Canada? How did he afford multiple trips to NOLA? How did he afford the Airbnb? How did he afford META glasses?

He had support from somewhere.....



You can be in financial ruin and cash everything out knowing you're not coming back. He had a job for a long time. He likely had a 401k, some assets, etc.

If you're know you're going to die on a certain date and don't intend to leave any funds to anyone, you can use all of that to go where you need.

Or he asks his neighbors/community to borrow funds and he would pay them back.
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Independence H-D said:

Questions....

It has been widely reported that this guy was in financial ruin. So, how did he afford trips to Egypt and Canada? How did he afford multiple trips to NOLA? How did he afford the Airbnb? How did he afford META glasses?

He had support from somewhere.....


Maxed out credit cards most likely.



Though I have no doubt he had help/aid along the way. Especially once in Egypt.

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aggiehawg said:

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Wasn't the rental a single wide trailer? Those usually burn into a raging inferno within 10 minutes.
That was where he was living in Houston.

The rental he tried to set on fire was on Mandeville Street in NOLA.


The fire wasn't reported until 5am and the attack happened at 3am. Are we supposed to believe he set the fire more than two hours before it was reported?
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Who makes bollards? Possible stock purchase.
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Running on credit, maybe?

No reason to look at the interest rates if you're not going to pay it back.
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GAC06 said:

aggiehawg said:

GAC06 said:

How is that "worse"?
The sheer amount of info they have already gleaned about his travels, his purchases for a guy who was supposedly broke? International travel? Who paid for that?

Reminds me of the Routh guy who tried to kill Trump on the golf course. For a supposedly poor guy he sure did travel a lot. Living in Hawaii is not cheap either.


When they don't find enough info, it's fishy here. When they find a fair amount, it's also somehow fishy here. The guy was once making money, and the travel and guns and rentals, etc all probably come to less than 10-15k
None of us can deny that they've been constantly lying to us. Sort of destroys their credibility and calls everything into question.

Forgive us for our skepticism. Were they lying to us then or are they lying to us now?
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The fire wasn't reported until 5am and the attack happened at 3am. Are we supposed to believe he set the fire more than two hours before it was reported?


Not hard to believe at all. He wanted it to explode or go raging long after he left
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You know, that show was so far left but Ron Swanson may be the greatest character ever.
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I exist in a combination of Ron Swanson and Hank Hill.

Sometimes a little Dale Gribble/Rusty Shackleford.
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Independence H-D said:

Questions....

It has been widely reported that this guy was in financial ruin. So, how did he afford trips to Egypt and Canada? How did he afford multiple trips to NOLA? How did he afford the Airbnb? How did he afford META glasses?

He had support from somewhere.....
Probably from someone who just received an award...
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Ellis Wyatt said:

GAC06 said:

aggiehawg said:

GAC06 said:

How is that "worse"?
The sheer amount of info they have already gleaned about his travels, his purchases for a guy who was supposedly broke? International travel? Who paid for that?

Reminds me of the Routh guy who tried to kill Trump on the golf course. For a supposedly poor guy he sure did travel a lot. Living in Hawaii is not cheap either.


When they don't find enough info, it's fishy here. When they find a fair amount, it's also somehow fishy here. The guy was once making money, and the travel and guns and rentals, etc all probably come to less than 10-15k
None of us can deny that they've been constantly lying to us. Sort of destroys their credibility and calls everything into question.

Forgive us for our skepticism. Were they lying to us then or are they lying to us now?



I think most on here agree with you. But my opinion is it's not that far fetched to make a few flights, rent a car, buy a gun/two, rent an airbnb if you know you're not coming back.

If you told me he spent 100k, I'd probably want to see the receipts. Houston to NOLA flight? If you shop it, probably 100bucks round trip on spirit or SW.

Egypt… that may run 1,000 if you shop the price.

The Airbnb didn't look that nice, let's say it was 500 for one night.

It's not totally crazy to think he bought all this stuff himself.
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FriendlyAg said:

Ellis Wyatt said:

GAC06 said:

aggiehawg said:

GAC06 said:

How is that "worse"?
The sheer amount of info they have already gleaned about his travels, his purchases for a guy who was supposedly broke? International travel? Who paid for that?

Reminds me of the Routh guy who tried to kill Trump on the golf course. For a supposedly poor guy he sure did travel a lot. Living in Hawaii is not cheap either.


When they don't find enough info, it's fishy here. When they find a fair amount, it's also somehow fishy here. The guy was once making money, and the travel and guns and rentals, etc all probably come to less than 10-15k
None of us can deny that they've been constantly lying to us. Sort of destroys their credibility and calls everything into question.

Forgive us for our skepticism. Were they lying to us then or are they lying to us now?



I think most on here agree with you. But my opinion is it's not that far fetched to make a few flights, rent a car, buy a gun/two, rent an airbnb if you know you're not coming back.

If you told me he spent 100k, I'd probably want to see the receipts. Houston to NOLA flight? If you shop it, probably 100bucks round trip on spirit or SW.

Egypt… that may run 1,000 if you shop the price.

The Airbnb didn't look that nice, let's say it was 500 for one night.

It's not totally crazy to think he bought all this stuff himself.


Hell, if you're set on dying, just get a bunch of credit cards.
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you could also just skip 2-3 rent payment and car note payments. you could live several months with no real bills.
 
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