Having been there, at that exact spot, many times, the traffic bollards at Canal and Bourbon are wide enough to allow pedestrian traffic through pretty easily, even in a large crowd. The question is why of all nights NOLA decided to keep them down for "maintenance" on NYE.

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Having been there, at that exact spot, many times, the traffic bollards at Canal and Bourbon are wide enough to allow pedestrian traffic through pretty easily, even in a large crowd. The question is why of all nights NOLA decided to keep them down for "maintenance" on NYE.

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The bollards you are talking about start a block away from canal on Bourbon.

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There are vehicle barriers that allow people to pass just fine. Look in front of pretty much any bank, gun store, liquor store, etc. OMG how does anyone get into or out of any of those stores?!?

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Because that's just like a stampede in an active shooter event. Great call.

You guys are great at coming up with ways to prevent yesterday's attack. Bet y'all still get a sense of smug satisfaction every time you take your shoes off at the airport.

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If pointing out that bollards will stop a vehicle and allow crowds to pass just fine is smug, then I guess I'm smug as hell. What an absolutely bizarre stance to claim that we can't stop cars from entering pedestrian zones because omg what if there's a shooting, someone might trip on a post. Good lord.

2000AgPhD said:

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Having been there, at that exact spot, many times, the traffic bollards at Canal and Bourbon are wide enough to allow pedestrian traffic through pretty easily, even in a large crowd. The question is why of all nights NOLA decided to keep them down for "maintenance" on NYE.

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Those only block the road and the road was already blocked. There was a patrol car blocking Bourbon. The guy drove up on the sidewalk, running over people, to get around it. Since the bollards don't extend to the sidewalk, they would have done nothing even if up.

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You don't rent cars?

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Nope. Haven't traveled anywhere I couldn't drive since '19, with the notable exception of Vegas where we never rent. More than one car in the household if my truck goes into the shop.

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There are vehicle barriers that allow people to pass just fine. Look in front of pretty much any bank, gun store, liquor store, etc. OMG how does anyone get into or out of any of those stores?!?

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Because that's just like a stampede in an active shooter event. Great call.

You guys are great at coming up with ways to prevent yesterday's attack. Bet y'all still get a sense of smug satisfaction every time you take your shoes off at the airport.

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If pointing out that bollards will stop a vehicle and allow crowds to pass just fine is smug, then I guess I'm smug as hell. What an absolutely bizarre stance to claim that we can't stop cars from entering pedestrian zones because omg what if there's a shooting, someone might trip on a post. Good lord.

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People were making the point that the bollards must also extend through the sidewalk because that's what he drove on. If you line bollards up like that, they will impede pedestrian traffic.

My main point is it's easy to point fingers after the fact and it's pretty pointless. If Bourbon had bollard like people are arguing for, he would have just ran down people on Canal. Or maybe he parks a car in the quarter a day or so in advance and then runs into the bollards at a high rate of speed, crushing countless people in the process. That's the point. The possibilities are limitless so blaming people for not predicting and preparing for this one is the pointless.

Precautions are fine and security theatre makes people feel safer, so I guess there is value in that. But nothing short of identifying this guy in advance was going to prevent a mass casualty event.

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Having been there, at that exact spot, many times, the traffic bollards at Canal and Bourbon are wide enough to allow pedestrian traffic through pretty easily, even in a large crowd. The question is why of all nights NOLA decided to keep them down for "maintenance" on NYE.

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Those only block the road and the road was already blocked. There was a patrol car blocking Bourbon. The guy drove up on the sidewalk, running over people, to get around it. Since the bollards don't extend to the sidewalk, they would have done nothing even if up.

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The retractable barrier that wasn't in use isn't a bollard. Maybe look up what a bollard is.

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Having been there, at that exact spot, many times, the traffic bollards at Canal and Bourbon are wide enough to allow pedestrian traffic through pretty easily, even in a large crowd. The question is why of all nights NOLA decided to keep them down for "maintenance" on NYE.

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Those only block the road and the road was already blocked. There was a patrol car blocking Bourbon. The guy drove up on the sidewalk, running over people, to get around it. Since the bollards don't extend to the sidewalk, they would have done nothing even if up.

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The retractable barrier that wasn't in use isn't a bollard. Maybe look up what a bollard is.

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I was just replying to the other poster on his own terms. But riddle me this definition guy, would it have blocked the sidewalk he drove on?

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Yes. Bollards on the sidewalk would have stopped him, and people walk right through them. Seriously, look up what a bollard is.

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The other guy wasn't talking theory, he's talking what was actually there. I'm 90% sure what's there doesn't cover the sidewalk, even if they had been up. It only blocks the road.

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Precautions are fine and security theatre makes people feel safer, so I guess there is value in that. But nothing short of identifying this guy in advance was going to prevent a mass casualty event.

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Only Identifying and eliminating summarily (make up some accident) would have prevented it. Nothing less than that. (Far too often we learn they have been identified before the fact - that's not enough.) You are correct that there is a clash here between thinking it could be stopped, but some are saying it can be mitigated when it occurs.

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Yes. Bollards on the sidewalk would have stopped him, and people walk right through them. Seriously, look up what a bollard is.

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The other guy wasn't talking theory, he's talking what was actually there. I'm 90% sure what's there doesn't cover the sidewalk, even if they had been up. It only blocks the road.

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I can't speak for the other poster. The retractable ramp barrier is not a bollard. Pedestrians can't pass through a solid barrier. There should have been bollards on the sidewalk, because putting a vehicle barrier or police car in the street with nothing on the sidewalk is pointless, as should be pretty obvious from this incident.

Blocking the road and putting bollards on sidewalk would have stopped this, and pedestrians get through fine.

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Precautions are fine and security theatre makes people feel safer, so I guess there is value in that. But nothing short of identifying this guy in advance was going to prevent a mass casualty event.

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Only Identifying and eliminating summarily (make up some accident) would have prevented it. Nothing less than that. (Far too often we learn they have been identified before the fact - that's not enough.) You are correct that there is a clash here between thinking it could be stopped, but some are saying it can be mitigated when it occurs.

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Yep. Unfortunately there will likely be another attack in the not too distant future and they will probably come up with a completely new means of attack when it happens. It'd be helpful if all the experts on this thread would tell us now what we need to do to prevent the next one rather than Monday morning QB'ing the last one. But I'm not expecting any of them to tell us that.

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Wasn't this the corrupt ***** that was fired from a California department?

NEW: New Orleans Police Superintendent says she had no clue that New Orleans had sidewalk barriers to defend against terror attacks, which are now being used today.

What a total embarrassment.

Reporters seemed shocked when Anne Kirkpatrick bizarrely admitted that she was… pic.twitter.com/5prEdJyuj8

— Collin Rugg (@CollinRugg) January 2, 2025

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It appears from everything I've seen that she isn't corrupt. In fact, if anything, its the opposite. Plus, given her admissions like the one you referenced, she may be too honest.

Now, whether she's competent or not, and certainly whether she can run the PD of a city like New Orleans, that remains to be seen. She would probably be a better fit at somewhere like Tucson, Albuquerque or KC -- something of similar size (maybe a bit smaller in metro) to NO, but less of a target for something like happened yesterday.

It also appears that she should have spent more time GETTING Homeland type terrorist training and less time GIVING FBI training of whatever she was doing. The expertise she may have, to the extent she has any, seems to be administratively focused. That's fine, and indeed can be worthwhile, but it doesn't qualify her to run this type of investigation.

I think people that hired her dropped the ball here, but I'm not sure it was due to any corruption. I still want to know the follow up from the whole pedestrian accident a few months ago and why she doesn't (or didn't) have a driver.

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Worth noting because I haven't seen it mentioned... the 24 yo brother quoted about the killer being raised Christian... was born when the killer was 18.

There is zero chance the 24 yo brother knows how his 42 yo brother was raised.

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According to this article, his brother said they were raised Muslim. He drifted away from it, but went back after his latest divorce.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/half-sibling-alleged-new-orleans-attacker-says-brother-radicalized-struggled-find-himself


This dude was a textbook target for radicalization in place.

Here is our man Jabbar on a SIPR network

*was*.

He gone.

when you are being brainwashed by a group of people (that don't care about you but only cares about murdering infidels) to make you falsely believe that you were being persecuted for your beliefs it allow evil to slip in

Some help please? Supposedly this is surveillance of Jabbar placing the coolers along Bourbon Street just an hour or less before the attack.


Yet that does not match the clothing that the dead body next to the truck was wearing. So when and where did he change clothes?
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Military fatigues he wore to the attack were for show after he was killed driving under the isis flag. This was to be clandestine/non-suspicious while planting these bombs he failed to set off. He might have even been wearing the fatigues underneath the coat/jeans.

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Some help please? Supposedly this is surveillance of Jabbar placing the coolers along Bourbon Street just an hour or less before the attack.


Yet that does not match the clothing that the dead body next to the truck was wearing. So when and where did he change clothes?
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Crazy. I realize terrorists try to blend in, but I would never in a million years look at that guy and think he was capable of such things.

He changed back at the AirBnB, took the trash out and then burned it down.

How did unattended coolers on New Year's Day Bourbon St remain undiscovered for an hour? You can't set your daiquiri down there to take a photo at 3:15pm on a random July afternoon without some derelict trying to pick it up.

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He changed back at the AirBnB, took the trash out and then burned it down.

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If he was operating by himself and had no plans of getting out alive, then what was the point of burning it down?

Sounded earlier like people were opening them, finding no drinks, then going on their way.

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He changed back at the AirBnB, took the trash out and then burned it down.

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If he was operating by himself and had no plans of getting out alive, then what was the point of burning it down?

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Exactly

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He changed back at the AirBnB, took the trash out and then burned it down.

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Only the fire didn't start until after he was dead. And if it was arson, on a timer, the fire inspector would spot that right away. They'd find the accelerator and origin of the fire.

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Sounded earlier like people were opening them, finding no drinks, then going on their way.

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I guess. Free coolers get emptied of anything useful and walk away in my experience. Not just a NOLA thing.

Doubt he was setting out yetis that tend to grow legs the fastest.

I get the sentiment, but even if someone was interested in stealing the cooler, what are they going to do with it, just walk around bourbon st with a cooler?