"There Is No Climate Crisis"

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"So let me get this straight - you get your information from a book, written by a man you've never met, and you take their words as truth based on a willingness to believe. A desire to accept. A leap of... dare I say it? Faith?"

Science is a liar. Sometimes.
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wxmanX said:

i'm not even a liberal.
Voted republican since I was born.

Just know the science is correct. Later.


Much moderate.

So concern.
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Thomas Lindsay Blanton PhD in Tectonophysics, Texas A&M University, Over 40 years experience as an advisor and consultant in geomechanics specializing in compaction, subsidence, and lithospheric stress determination
From the signatory list. Representing Aggieland.
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wxmanX said:

i'm not even a liberal.
Voted republican since I was born.

Just know the science is correct. Later.
You've made many errors already as pointed out in numerous responses.

I'll join the dog pile in pointing out that being liberal and voting Republican are not mutually exclusive. There are many, many liberal Republicans. You can find several of them in Congress even.
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CO2 levels were 7000 ppm during the Permian Period.
Today they are 300 ppm.

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American Hardwood said:

wxmanX said:

i'm not even a liberal.
Voted republican since I was born.

Just know the science is correct. Later.
You've made many errors already as pointed out in numerous responses.

I'll join the dog pile in pointing out that being liberal and voting Republican are not mutually exclusive. There are many, many liberal Republicans. You can find several of them in Congress even.


One is running for PotUS and leading some polls, right now.
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Can anyone provide a strong enough argument that would convince me that these 1,600 scientists know better than the groups and organizations below, who represent many many more than 1,600 scientists?

https://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus/

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American Association for the Advancement of Science

"Based on well-established evidence, about 97% of climate scientists have concluded that human-caused climate change is happening." (2014)

http://whatweknow.aaas.org/get-the-facts/
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American Chemical Society

"The Earth's climate is changing in response to increasing concentrations of greenhouse gases (GHGs) and particulate matter in the atmosphere, largely as the result of human activities." (2016-2019)

https://www.acs.org/content/acs/en/policy/publicpolicies/sustainability/globalclimatechange.html
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American Geophysical Union

"Based on extensive scientific evidence, it is extremely likely that human activities, especially emissions of greenhouse gases, are the dominant cause of the observed warming since the mid-20th century. There is no alterative explanation supported by convincing evidence." (2019)

https://www.agu.org/Share-and-Advocate/Share/Policymakers/Position-Statements/Position_Climate
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American Medical Association

"Our AMA ... supports the findings of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change's fourth assessment report and concurs with the scientific consensus that the Earth is undergoing adverse global climate change and that anthropogenic contributions are significant." (2019)

https://policysearch.ama-assn.org/policyfinder/detail/climate%20change?uri=%2FAMADoc%2FHOD.xml-0-309.xml
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American Meteorological Society

"Research has found a human influence on the climate of the past several decades ... The IPCC (2013), USGCRP (2017), and USGCRP (2018) indicate that it is extremely likely that human influence has been the dominant cause of the observed warming since the mid-twentieth century." (2019)

https://www.ametsoc.org/index.cfm/ams/about-ams/ams-statements/statements-of-the-ams-in-force/climate-change1/

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American Physical Society

"Earth's changing climate is a critical issue and poses the risk of significant environmental, social and economic disruptions around the globe. While natural sources of climate variability are significant, multiple lines of evidence indicate that human influences have had an increasingly dominant effect on global climate warming observed since the mid-twentieth century." (2015)

https://www.aps.org/newsroom/pressreleases/climate.cfm
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The Geological Society of America

"The Geological Society of America (GSA) concurs with assessments by the National Academies of Science (2005), the National Research Council (2011), the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC, 2013) and the U.S. Global Change Research Program (Melillo et al., 2014) that global climate has warmed in response to increasing concentrations of carbon dioxide (CO2) and other greenhouse gases ... Human activities (mainly greenhouse-gas emissions) are the dominant cause of the rapid warming since the middle 1900s (IPCC, 2013)." (2015)

https://www.geosociety.org/gsa/positions/position10.aspx

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U.S. National Academy of Sciences

"Scientists have known for some time, from multiple lines of evidence, that humans are changing Earth's climate, primarily through greenhouse gas emissions."

https://sites.nationalacademies.org/cs/groups/internationalsite/documents/webpage/international_080877.pdf

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U.S. Global Change Research Program

"Earth's climate is now changing faster than at any point in the history of modern civilization, primarily as a result of human activities." (2018, 13 U.S. government departments and agencies)

https://nca2018.globalchange.gov/
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Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change

"It is unequivocal that the increase of CO2, methane, and nitrous oxide in the atmosphere over the industrial era is the result of human activities and that human influence is the principal driver of many changes observed across the atmosphere, ocean, cryosphere, and biosphere.

"Since systematic scientific assessments began in the 1970s, the influence of human activity on the warming of the climate system has evolved from theory to established fact."

https://www.ipcc.ch/report/ar6/wg3/
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I think this issue highlights a problem that the GOP has that they need to overcome if they want to win nationwide elections going forward.

54% of Americans view human caused climate change as a threat.

If one party agrees that climate change is a threat and we need solutions to solve that problem, and one party believes it's a fairy tale and does not present any solutions to solve that problem, then we have a situation where voters only have one choice to solve the problem. The GOP needs to accept reality that there is a problem and present to voters a conservative solution.
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Someone who is that concerned about it and all-in on the one and only alarm science might want to consider doing their part by reducing their carbon footprint and becoming carbon themselves sooner rather than later.
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How are those organizations funded?

They absolutely cannot provide an unbiased evaluation.
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Alarmism through the msm has been successful in scaring voters so now the opposing view is toast politically if they don't propose their own trillion dollar solutions to problems they don't think government spending will fix?
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After COVID, I see exactly what the liberals, Marxists, and Commies do with "The Science" more clearly than ever. All of the dumb **** they were convinced to do because "experts" and "The Science" said so, even if it flied in the face of basic common sense.

All of this **** is completely made up, but these people will never wake up and realize it's just a wealth redistribution scam.
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two words folks!

RUSSAIN

DISINFORMATION!
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American Hardwood said:

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Thomas Lindsay Blanton PhD in Tectonophysics, Texas A&M University, Over 40 years experience as an advisor and consultant in geomechanics specializing in compaction, subsidence, and lithospheric stress determination
From the signatory list. Representing Aggieland.
Dessler's name is curiously absent. Okay, it's not that curious! HAHA
________________________________________________________ "Citizens are deceived en masse but enlightened one at a time."
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Follow the money. The problem is that the majority of the populace is as gullible as you are. Pandering to that is not the correct solution.
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Jock 07 said:

Follow the money. The problem is that the majority of the populace is as gullible as you are. Pandering to that is not the correct solution.
So your argument is that I'm just gullible? That's not very persuasive.
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FTA 2001 said:

Jock 07 said:

Follow the money. The problem is that the majority of the populace is as gullible as you are. Pandering to that is not the correct solution.
So your argument is that I'm just gullible? That's not very persuasive.
Based on your posting history.......yes.
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wxmanX said:

i'm not even a liberal.
Voted republican since I was born.

Just know the science is correct. Later.
...the science... lol

Such sloppy terminology.
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oh no said:

Someone who is that concerned about it and all-in on the one and only alarm science might want to consider doing their part by reducing their carbon footprint and becoming carbon themselves sooner rather than later.
Elaborate on what you mean by this.
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You think because 54% of Americans have been indoctrinated to believe something is a problem means that that something is indeed a real problem and we need more government to "solve" it??
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any time one of these declarations comes out, it takes maybe five minutes of looking into the signatories' backgrounds to discover they're anything but independent or apolitical. of the two nobel laureates signed on to this one (both of whom are not in climate related fields), one is a board member of a climate change denialist think tank headed by a former ceo of the american petroleum institute, and the other is an advisor to another free market absolutist libertarian think tank best known for, among other things, fighting for deregulation of tobacco companies.

i won't pretend like the "climate change is real and exacerbated by man" side of the debate is free of political ideology, and i'm not a climate doomer by any means. but to the extent anyone who doesn't believe in man made climate change is convinced scientists on "the other side" are pushing an agenda, consider that those who agree with you often are as well.

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FTA 2001 said:

Jock 07 said:

Follow the money. The problem is that the majority of the populace is as gullible as you are. Pandering to that is not the correct solution.
So your argument is that I'm just gullible? That's not very persuasive.

Yes, maybe not but it's certainly true.
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FTA 2001 said:

Can anyone provide a strong enough argument that would convince me that these 1,600 scientists know better than the groups and organizations below, who represent many many more than 1,600 scientists?

https://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus/

Quote:

American Association for the Advancement of Science

"Based on well-established evidence, about 97% of climate scientists have concluded that human-caused climate change is happening." (2014)

http://whatweknow.aaas.org/get-the-facts/
Quote:

American Chemical Society

"The Earth's climate is changing in response to increasing concentrations of greenhouse gases (GHGs) and particulate matter in the atmosphere, largely as the result of human activities." (2016-2019)

https://www.acs.org/content/acs/en/policy/publicpolicies/sustainability/globalclimatechange.html
Quote:

American Geophysical Union

"Based on extensive scientific evidence, it is extremely likely that human activities, especially emissions of greenhouse gases, are the dominant cause of the observed warming since the mid-20th century. There is no alterative explanation supported by convincing evidence." (2019)

https://www.agu.org/Share-and-Advocate/Share/Policymakers/Position-Statements/Position_Climate
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American Medical Association

"Our AMA ... supports the findings of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change's fourth assessment report and concurs with the scientific consensus that the Earth is undergoing adverse global climate change and that anthropogenic contributions are significant." (2019)

https://policysearch.ama-assn.org/policyfinder/detail/climate%20change?uri=%2FAMADoc%2FHOD.xml-0-309.xml
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American Meteorological Society

"Research has found a human influence on the climate of the past several decades ... The IPCC (2013), USGCRP (2017), and USGCRP (2018) indicate that it is extremely likely that human influence has been the dominant cause of the observed warming since the mid-twentieth century." (2019)

https://www.ametsoc.org/index.cfm/ams/about-ams/ams-statements/statements-of-the-ams-in-force/climate-change1/

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American Physical Society

"Earth's changing climate is a critical issue and poses the risk of significant environmental, social and economic disruptions around the globe. While natural sources of climate variability are significant, multiple lines of evidence indicate that human influences have had an increasingly dominant effect on global climate warming observed since the mid-twentieth century." (2015)

https://www.aps.org/newsroom/pressreleases/climate.cfm
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The Geological Society of America

"The Geological Society of America (GSA) concurs with assessments by the National Academies of Science (2005), the National Research Council (2011), the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC, 2013) and the U.S. Global Change Research Program (Melillo et al., 2014) that global climate has warmed in response to increasing concentrations of carbon dioxide (CO2) and other greenhouse gases ... Human activities (mainly greenhouse-gas emissions) are the dominant cause of the rapid warming since the middle 1900s (IPCC, 2013)." (2015)

https://www.geosociety.org/gsa/positions/position10.aspx

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U.S. National Academy of Sciences

"Scientists have known for some time, from multiple lines of evidence, that humans are changing Earth's climate, primarily through greenhouse gas emissions."

https://sites.nationalacademies.org/cs/groups/internationalsite/documents/webpage/international_080877.pdf

Quote:

U.S. Global Change Research Program

"Earth's climate is now changing faster than at any point in the history of modern civilization, primarily as a result of human activities." (2018, 13 U.S. government departments and agencies)

https://nca2018.globalchange.gov/
Quote:

Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change

"It is unequivocal that the increase of CO2, methane, and nitrous oxide in the atmosphere over the industrial era is the result of human activities and that human influence is the principal driver of many changes observed across the atmosphere, ocean, cryosphere, and biosphere.

"Since systematic scientific assessments began in the 1970s, the influence of human activity on the warming of the climate system has evolved from theory to established fact."

https://www.ipcc.ch/report/ar6/wg3/



Never thought I'd make the same comment twice in one thread.

This lack of critical thinking is what makes liberals liberal.
DeSantis 2024

FJB, FJB, FJB, etc
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FTA 2001 said:

Jock 07 said:

Follow the money. The problem is that the majority of the populace is as gullible as you are. Pandering to that is not the correct solution.
So your argument is that I'm just gullible? That's not very persuasive.
Maybe you didn't see this in an earlier thread. It ought to be damn persuasive for anyone who went out and got in their dark colored metal vehicle, or sat under a metal awning, or climbed into the back of a horse trailer, or walked out on their stone pool deck even after sunset, on a sunny summer day in TX.

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FTA 2001 said:

Jock 07 said:

Follow the money. The problem is that the majority of the populace is as gullible as you are. Pandering to that is not the correct solution.
So your argument is that I'm just gullible? That's not very persuasive.


That wasn't his argument. You should read it again.
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I feel the same way for a 14 min video previously posted.
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wxmanX said:

yea, whatever.

World is 1.6C above the mean, NATL highest temps ever, Gulf highest temps ever. Record warm TX, highest lows ever in Baton Rouge, Tampa, Miami, PHX this year.
Morrocco 122F, highest ever.
Greece, 119F highest ever.
Spain 118F tied highest ever.




Well, now I'm going to huddle in the corner and suck my thumb. We are doomed.
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FTA 2001 said:

think this issue highlights a problem that the GOP has that they need to overcome if they want to win nationwide elections going forward.

54% of Americans view human caused climate change as a threat.

If one party agrees that climate change is a threat and we need solutions to solve that problem, and one party believes it's a fairy tale and does not present any solutions to solve that problem, then we have a situation where voters only have one choice to solve the problem. The GOP needs to accept reality that there is a problem and present to voters a conservative solution.
https://news.gallup.com/poll/403052/eight-americans-favor-early-voting-photo-laws.aspx

Now do this one:

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  • Majorities across parties support early voting, photo ID laws
  • There is a 61-point partisan gap on sending all voters absentee ballots
  • People of color more in favor of expansive voting laws than White adults


Most idiots have been brainwashed to believe the voter ID laws are racist and discriminatory thats why we cant have more secure elections when thats not the case at all. Most people favor voter ID except racist "white savior" liberals and the morons they vote for.
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wxmanX said:

yea, whatever.

World is 1.6C above the mean, NATL highest temps ever, Gulf highest temps ever. Record warm TX, highest lows ever in Baton Rouge, Tampa, Miami, PHX this year.
Morrocco 122F, highest ever.
Greece, 119F highest ever.
Spain 118F tied highest ever.



Tell ya what, amigo, I'll follow your lead.

As soon you stop using your AC, remove most of belongings and furniture (made with oil), stop driving, and tell me how ANY government, anywhere, has the ability to assuage or stop, global warming, I'm on board.

Not one American should sacrifice their job at the alter of climate change when 40% of the worlds population (India and China) don't care and won't care. Please let me know how America will do this alone when our government couldn't even kill the Afghan terrorist after our marines asked THREE TIMES to shoot the SOB before he killed 13 American service men, injured 145 American service men, and 179 Afghanis. We had a sniper with the scope on this guy and couldn't shoot him because he couldn't get permission. Please tell me how our government sacrificed thousands of American's during the COVID fiasco just so Fauci and his minions at the NIH could personally make over $300 million in royalties?

You go ahead and send all of your disposable income our government and see what happens in 40 or 50 years before you die----NOTHING!
Hate is how progressives sustain themselves. Without hate, introspection begins to slip into the progressive's consciousness, threatening the progressive with the truth: that their ideas and opinions are illogical, hypocritical, dangerous, and asinine.
This is backed by data.
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FTA 2001 said:

Can anyone provide a strong enough argument that would convince me that these 1,600 scientists know better than the groups and organizations below, who represent many many more than 1,600 scientists?

https://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus/

Quote:

American Association for the Advancement of Science

"Based on well-established evidence, about 97% of climate scientists have concluded that human-caused climate change is happening." (2014)

http://whatweknow.aaas.org/get-the-facts/
Quote:

American Chemical Society

"The Earth's climate is changing in response to increasing concentrations of greenhouse gases (GHGs) and particulate matter in the atmosphere, largely as the result of human activities." (2016-2019)

https://www.acs.org/content/acs/en/policy/publicpolicies/sustainability/globalclimatechange.html
Quote:

American Geophysical Union

"Based on extensive scientific evidence, it is extremely likely that human activities, especially emissions of greenhouse gases, are the dominant cause of the observed warming since the mid-20th century. There is no alterative explanation supported by convincing evidence." (2019)

https://www.agu.org/Share-and-Advocate/Share/Policymakers/Position-Statements/Position_Climate
Quote:

American Medical Association

"Our AMA ... supports the findings of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change's fourth assessment report and concurs with the scientific consensus that the Earth is undergoing adverse global climate change and that anthropogenic contributions are significant." (2019)

https://policysearch.ama-assn.org/policyfinder/detail/climate%20change?uri=%2FAMADoc%2FHOD.xml-0-309.xml
Quote:

American Meteorological Society

"Research has found a human influence on the climate of the past several decades ... The IPCC (2013), USGCRP (2017), and USGCRP (2018) indicate that it is extremely likely that human influence has been the dominant cause of the observed warming since the mid-twentieth century." (2019)

https://www.ametsoc.org/index.cfm/ams/about-ams/ams-statements/statements-of-the-ams-in-force/climate-change1/

Quote:

American Physical Society

"Earth's changing climate is a critical issue and poses the risk of significant environmental, social and economic disruptions around the globe. While natural sources of climate variability are significant, multiple lines of evidence indicate that human influences have had an increasingly dominant effect on global climate warming observed since the mid-twentieth century." (2015)

https://www.aps.org/newsroom/pressreleases/climate.cfm
Quote:

The Geological Society of America

"The Geological Society of America (GSA) concurs with assessments by the National Academies of Science (2005), the National Research Council (2011), the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC, 2013) and the U.S. Global Change Research Program (Melillo et al., 2014) that global climate has warmed in response to increasing concentrations of carbon dioxide (CO2) and other greenhouse gases ... Human activities (mainly greenhouse-gas emissions) are the dominant cause of the rapid warming since the middle 1900s (IPCC, 2013)." (2015)

https://www.geosociety.org/gsa/positions/position10.aspx

Quote:

U.S. National Academy of Sciences

"Scientists have known for some time, from multiple lines of evidence, that humans are changing Earth's climate, primarily through greenhouse gas emissions."

https://sites.nationalacademies.org/cs/groups/internationalsite/documents/webpage/international_080877.pdf

Quote:

U.S. Global Change Research Program

"Earth's climate is now changing faster than at any point in the history of modern civilization, primarily as a result of human activities." (2018, 13 U.S. government departments and agencies)

https://nca2018.globalchange.gov/
Quote:

Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change

"It is unequivocal that the increase of CO2, methane, and nitrous oxide in the atmosphere over the industrial era is the result of human activities and that human influence is the principal driver of many changes observed across the atmosphere, ocean, cryosphere, and biosphere.

"Since systematic scientific assessments began in the 1970s, the influence of human activity on the warming of the climate system has evolved from theory to established fact."

https://www.ipcc.ch/report/ar6/wg3/

American Medical Association? Got a link to Sal's Thursday Night Bowling League?
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Ag83 said:

You think because 54% of Americans have been indoctrinated to believe something is a problem means that that something is indeed a real problem and we need more government to "solve" it??
I don't think it's indoctrination. That is a weak argument.
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wxmanX said:

i'm not even a liberal.
Voted republican since I was born.

Just know the science is correct. Later.
It is "correct" because it fits your personal view. If you pick up a bar of soap before wringing your hands, they will get mighty clean.
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wxmanX said:

yea, whatever.

World is 1.6C above the mean, NATL highest temps ever, Gulf highest temps ever. Record warm TX, highest lows ever in Baton Rouge, Tampa, Miami, PHX this year.
Morrocco 122F, highest ever.
Greece, 119F highest ever.
Spain 118F tied highest ever.





You have no idea if these are the warmest temps ever? How many stations when built were in wooded areas are now near large concrete slabs? On my fifteen minute drive home everyday, from near a large freeway to a heavily wooded area, the temperature drops an average of 4F which is over 2C. That is probably the difference the lying leftists are lying about.
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A lot of people could learn more about science from the Dennis Reynolds Cereal Defense episode than they ever manage to in formal schooling.
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Also, those 53% are barking up the wrong tree.

 
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