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Teslag said:

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Teslag said:

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Russia has gone from two days to take Kiev to 5 months and counting to trying to take a single town two years later. Not sure I'd throw incompetence on the backs of Ukraine.

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Is that why they fired their general? So much winning he had ro go?

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Do we really want to talk about Russian commanders being relived out of windows or relieved out of the sky?

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Can you count 65 of them? Score's posted, whats yours?

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65 what?

Ukrainian commanders being intentionally killed?

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Look again. The subject never changed.

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I read this post and the ones it quoted. It appears you did not.

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Its in bold in the last post. Youcan do it.

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What score is posted?

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What do you not understand? Can you name 65 Russian commanders that were "relieved out of the sky?" If so, commence at once. Otherwise, the score is posted.

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What score are you babbling about? Where did you pull the 65 from?

I'm beginning to think you didn't survive the plane crash fully intact...

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Ukrainian troops retreated from Avdeevka because the regime of President Vladimir Zelensky knows how to fight only for money and only against civilians, Russian Foreign Ministry Spokeswoman Maria Zakharova wrote in her Telegram channel.

"No, not for that reason. But because ZePresident and the gang know how to 'fight' only for big money, which goes straight into their pockets, and only against civilians. Everything else doesn't matter to them," the diplomat said, commenting on Zelensky saying that the city was abandoned to save people's lives.

It was reported earlier that the Ukrainian operational-strategic group of troops Tavria, which is responsible for control of Avdeyevka, continued to surrender its positions in the city. "Ukrainian troops maneuver out of destroyed positions… and if necessary they take hold of new positions. Unfortunately, during one of such maneuvers several of our troops were captured," the group's commander Alexander Tarnavsky said.

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🇷🇺🇺🇦🚨‼️ Avdeevka: Koke plant was abandoned, Ukrainian sources claim!!!

A very interesting morning map from Ukrainian wartime sources.

It shows that the AFU has left Avdeevka and is trying to build a defense east of Lastochkino-Severnoe. Russians have already cleared most of… https://t.co/w5HqsgcDZL pic.twitter.com/B6cSI7bj2N

— Lord Bebo (@MyLordBebo) February 17, 2024

“But he was spotting targets for the GBU!”

Okay. Show us the evidence of that.

More specifically, Ukraine itself never charged him with that, and I think they would have jumped at the chance.

Stop believing everything you read online.

Lira was a useful idiot. That…

— Bonchie (@bonchieredstate) February 17, 2024

We might as well start with "ranger_88_" (88 meaning HH, "Heil Hitler") whose Instagram story was shared by the official "assaultcompany4" yesterday. Here he is at the October 14, 2021 "White Lives Matter" march in Kyiv. https://t.co/E4XgdPKXo4 pic.twitter.com/ZtCs7zNG3R

— Moss Robeson 🇵🇸 (@mossrobeson__) February 16, 2024

I remember when that video came out but I didn’t connect the dots to Gonzalo until now. Horrible.

— David Sacks (@DavidSacks) February 17, 2024

Even after Steele Dossier was debunked, the Mueller investigation found no collusion, Hamilton68 was revealed as a fraud, and the 51 spies who lied, the MSM continues to pretend that Russiagate was real and that Trump is somehow an agent of Putin. Worse, they’ve metastasized this… https://t.co/7CISF1XMRz

— David Sacks (@DavidSacks) February 17, 2024

The longer this goes on, the better Russia will do

— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) February 17, 2024

Biden needs Putin. pic.twitter.com/pfvIvSyZt3

— David Sacks (@DavidSacks) February 16, 2024

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Well that was quick.

Following months of indecisive slugging on the flanks the Russians launched a vicious stab through the "neck" of Avdeevka south of the AKHZ industrial plant at the beginning of February, fighting through a heavily-fortified urban area with the help of an avalanche of guided bombs. After two weeks of vicious fighting they severed the AFU's remaining supply lines and pushed into open ground on the far side of the city, threatening to encircle thousands of Ukrainian troops. Total collapse and a rout of Ukrainian forces from the city followed within hours. Russian troops are still mopping up the urban area, but even the Ukrainian high command has admitted that the city is lost.

What struck me about this final Russian assault was how... familiar it felt. Russian troops would push forward and engage Ukrainian strongpoints, and then a hail of JDAMskis would turn those defensive nests into smoking craters and the Russians would march on. Ukrainian troops massed to counterattack were discovered by Russian deep reconnaissance and wiped out with missile strikes. The defenders of Avdeevka fought bravely by any measure, but they were simply buried by massed precision fire, omnipresent surveillance, and a bold Russian ground assault. Despite the full support of NATO, they got handled like ISIS did in half a dozen city fights in Iraq and Syria.

There's a talking point going around that the Russian paid dearly for their victory, but it's unfounded - particularly in light of the Pentagon essentially validating Mediazona's count of Russian casualties today. Let's compare Russian casualties during the Battle of Avdeevka to those during the Battle of Bakhmut. We'll assume Bakhmut kicked off on January 2nd, 2023 (more or less when the push on Soledar began), and lasted through May 20th, 2023 (per Wikipedia). The Battle of Avdeevka started with a Russian armored assault on October 9th, 2023.

There were 13,648 Russian soldiers killed in Ukraine from January 2nd to May 20th, 2023, versus a mere 5,232 recorded from October 9th, 2023 to February 1st, 2024 (the last day of data) - although Mediazona doesn't do well with recent casualties, so the actual count across the whole front line is probably closer to 8,000. This during a period of time when Russian forces have been active and attacking in several locations, unlike during the Battle of Bakhmut. Where Wagner solved problems with bodies, the regular Russian Army solves them with fire.

Making the reasonable assumption that a quarter of Russian losses during this period were suffered in Avdeevka (as is indeed suggested by the change losses after the battle started compared to the pre-assault baseline), the town cost the Russian Army approximately 2,000 KIA. By comparison multiple Ukrainian brigades (and elements of brigades cross-attached to stem the tide) were defeated in and around in the town over the course of the battle, with one - the 110th - wiped out completely. This strongly suggests the AFU suffered several times more casualties than the Russians over the course of the battle. Certainly, the reserves committed over the last two weeks in the failed attempt to stem the Russian breakthrough were quite weak, suggesting the Ukrainians have little left in the way of operational reserves despite endless mobilization efforts.

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Did I see somewhere the Russians were dropping up to 80 FABs per day in the final days? That's one every 20 minutes 24/7. Does anyone have a number handy how many Russia can make? I saw something many months ago, that they were now making them wholesale because they are a lot…

— Nik Stankovic (@nikstankovic_) February 17, 2024

🇷🇺 It's over. Avdeevka is Russia. pic.twitter.com/7zibAgoqzE

— DD Geopolitics (@DD_Geopolitics) February 17, 2024

Hypocrisy of the American media: how much they wrote* about the death of Gonzalo Lira, an American journalist who criticized Zelensky and died in a Ukrainian prison, and Alexei Navalny.

*Selection for 23:00 Moscow time. pic.twitter.com/JYfoBA1JCO

— DD Geopolitics (@DD_Geopolitics) February 16, 2024

COMMENT UKRAINIAN TIREDNESS, FEB 17 2024
Read this letter from a tired Ukrainian soldier who fought in the 110th Brigade at the Zenit (former Air Defence Base) stronghold.

He tells about no rotation, high losses, tiredness , bad health etc. In general terms a unit on the verge… pic.twitter.com/eOzWgLehz9

— Mikael Valtersson (@MikaelValterss1) February 17, 2024

PlaneCrashGuy said:

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Avdeevka has fallen. Perhaps Uke could've held if Uke had those 65 Uke POW's that Uke blasted out of the sky.

Uke incompetence remains the biggest obstacle in Uke's way IMO. They keep stepping on their own dicks. Here it was waiting too long retreat.

I still haven't heard about US aid going out, but I was assured it would happen "when the time is right." I wonder when that will be? Could be weeks, maybe.

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Ukraine's Zelenskyy warns of an 'artificial deficit' of weapons after withdrawal from Avdiivka https://t.co/9ragGf6j9G

— The Associated Press (@AP) February 17, 2024

Sadly, not all Ukrainian Forces managed to exit safely from Avdiivka, footage emerging of captured and dead soldiers.

— Aldin 🇧🇦 (@aldin_aba) February 17, 2024

🇺🇦 - Avdeevka has not only symbolic meaning but also operational importance - Podolyak

“If the AFU lose the city, the RF army will be able to build logistics corridors to supply a large part of the front,” said the adviser to the head of the OP@Slavyangrad pic.twitter.com/sQWROh8UjB

— Libanese (@Dal_Libano) February 17, 2024

nortex97 said:

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I genuinely pity the Ukrainian troops involved, including those captured. I saw some of them covered in dust/dirt/shaking. Just horrible.

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PlaneCrashGuy said:

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They finally "abandoned" the town with their tail tucked between their legs and their dead "stacked" in the storm sewers. I just love that we got this gem on schedule,

" Adviika still hasn't fallen" because its always denial 1st.

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John Armfield said:

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seems like its pretty much game over for UKE at this point

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Teslag said:

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seems like its pretty much game over for UKE at this point

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Russia took 5 months to take a small town for their first accomplishment in 18 months.

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Teslag said:

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John Armfield said:

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seems like its pretty much game over for UKE at this point

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Russia took 5 months to take a small town for their first accomplishment in 18 months.

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John Armfield said:

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seems like its pretty much game over for UKE at this point

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Russia took 5 months to take a small town for their first accomplishment in 18 months.

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right but UKE couldn't stop it doesn't seem like they can at any point now

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nortex97 said:

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I genuinely pity the Ukrainian troops involved, including those captured. I saw some of them covered in dust/dirt/shaking. Just horrible.

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Mongolian Christmas said:

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seems like its pretty much game over for UKE at this point

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Russia took 5 months to take a small town for their first accomplishment in 18 months.

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right but UKE couldn't stop it doesn't seem like they can at any point now

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I'm not a military kind, but I've always understood the Soviet/Russia strategy was to outman and outlast the enemy. Ukraine is done.

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PlaneCrashGuy said:

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Teslag assured us a few pages back that the US aid would come "when the time is right"

Teslag, do you have an update? Do you still believe this?

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nortex97 said:

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I genuinely pity the Ukrainian troops involved, including those captured. I saw some of them covered in dust/dirt/shaking. Just horrible.

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J. Walter Weatherman said:

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nortex97 said:

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I genuinely pity the Ukrainian troops involved, including those captured. I saw some of them covered in dust/dirt/shaking. Just horrible.

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Seems like you would want Putin to stop his unprovoked invasion then.

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nortex97 said:

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nortex97 said:

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I genuinely pity the Ukrainian troops involved, including those captured. I saw some of them covered in dust/dirt/shaking. Just horrible.

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Seems like you would want Putin to stop his unprovoked invasion then.

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Pitying the soldiers doesn't lead me to ignore the proxy wars origin and our role in funding and equipping them to be ordered into that cauldron of death.

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nortex97 said:

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nortex97 said:

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I genuinely pity the Ukrainian troops involved, including those captured. I saw some of them covered in dust/dirt/shaking. Just horrible.

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Seems like you would want Putin to stop his unprovoked invasion then.

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Pitying the soldiers doesn't lead me to ignore the proxy wars origin and our role in funding and equipping them to be ordered into that cauldron of death.

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Teslag said:

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PlaneCrashGuy said:

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Teslag assured us a few pages back that the US aid would come "when the time is right"

Teslag, do you have an update? Do you still believe this?

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Of course. The defense industry always gets its way.

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J. Walter Weatherman said:

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nortex97 said:

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J. Walter Weatherman said:

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nortex97 said:

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I genuinely pity the Ukrainian troops involved, including those captured. I saw some of them covered in dust/dirt/shaking. Just horrible.

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Seems like you would want Putin to stop his unprovoked invasion then.

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Pitying the soldiers doesn't lead me to ignore the proxy wars origin and our role in funding and equipping them to be ordered into that cauldron of death.

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It does seem to lead you to blame everyone but the only person responsible for the war though, and the only person who could end the war today and save the lives of the Ukrainian and Russian soldiers you're so concerned about.

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PlaneCrashGuy said:

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Teslag said:

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PlaneCrashGuy said:

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Teslag assured us a few pages back that the US aid would come "when the time is right"

Teslag, do you have an update? Do you still believe this?

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Of course. The defense industry always gets its way.

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Okay. When will the "time be right"?

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Teslag said:

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Teslag said:

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PlaneCrashGuy said:

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Teslag assured us a few pages back that the US aid would come "when the time is right"

Teslag, do you have an update? Do you still believe this?

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Of course. The defense industry always gets its way.

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Okay. When will the "time be right"?

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Weeks maybe

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PlaneCrashGuy said:

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J. Walter Weatherman said:

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nortex97 said:

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J. Walter Weatherman said:

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nortex97 said:

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I genuinely pity the Ukrainian troops involved, including those captured. I saw some of them covered in dust/dirt/shaking. Just horrible.

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Seems like you would want Putin to stop his unprovoked invasion then.

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Pitying the soldiers doesn't lead me to ignore the proxy wars origin and our role in funding and equipping them to be ordered into that cauldron of death.

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It does seem to lead you to blame everyone but the only person responsible for the war though, and the only person who could end the war today and save the lives of the Ukrainian and Russian soldiers you're so concerned about.

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Repeating falsehoods wont make them true, it just shows your ignorance. HTH

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J. Walter Weatherman said:

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nortex97 said:

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nortex97 said:

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I genuinely pity the Ukrainian troops involved, including those captured. I saw some of them covered in dust/dirt/shaking. Just horrible.

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Seems like you would want Putin to stop his unprovoked invasion then.

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Pitying the soldiers doesn't lead me to ignore the proxy wars origin and our role in funding and equipping them to be ordered into that cauldron of death.

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It does seem to lead you to blame everyone but the only person responsible for the war though, and the only person who could end the war today and save the lives of the Ukrainian and Russian soldiers you're so concerned about.

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Repeating falsehoods wont make them true, it just shows your ignorance. HTH

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Which part is false? That Putin started the war when he decided to invade or that he could end it today by sending his troops home?

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I have very sophisticated and complex opinions on Russia's justification for invading. It's probably too much for you to understand though, so I won't discuss it.

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J. Walter Weatherman said:

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nortex97 said:

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I genuinely pity the Ukrainian troops involved, including those captured. I saw some of them covered in dust/dirt/shaking. Just horrible.

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Seems like you would want Putin to stop his unprovoked invasion then.

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Perhaps I should have used the word "maybe".

Surely you won't articulate your support for Russia's claimed justification which is so complex and nuanced because only a truly dizzying intellect could grasp it.

Surely it's not just because you post here dozens of times a day to troll.

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