THIS time maybe they actually killed some NATO personnel? Not like all the other times that claim has been made and turned out to be bull

PlaneCrashGuy said:

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docb said:

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Just getting my morning dose of propaganda

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Ah yes. The classic "everyone who disagrees with me is a nazi"

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Our own State Department puts out more lies and bull**** than Putin does.

I like where he's at. Time for Europe to pull their own weight

Red Fishing Ag93 said:

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PlaneCrashGuy said:

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docb said:

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Just getting my morning dose of propaganda

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Ah yes. The classic "everyone who disagrees with me is a nazi"

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Our own State Department puts out more lies and bull**** than Putin does.

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Maybe you're right. But he didn't cite Putin

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THIS time maybe they actually killed some NATO personnel? Not like all the other times that claim has been made and turned out to be bull

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Sure.

In all seriousness, thanks to all the pro-war folks who check in here daily. I don't take any of the cheerleading/boo's too seriously, and appreciate that y'all actually are curious what non-regime folks are saying/seeing. All the death is sad but I know y'all just see it from a different perspective.

The guy cheering for Russia to conquer Ukraine is pro war. The guy that wants Russia to stop their invasion is not. Hth

I don't have the free time to point out every false/ridiculous thing you post here but it's somewhat amusing to do it from time to time.

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GAC06 said:

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THIS time maybe they actually killed some NATO personnel? Not like all the other times that claim has been made and turned out to be bull

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Sure.

In all seriousness, thanks to all the pro-war folks who check in here daily. I don't take any of the cheerleading/boo's too seriously, and appreciate that y'all actually are curious what non-regime folks are saying/seeing. All the death is sad but I know y'all just see it from a different perspective.

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No one on here is "pro war", but you already knew that. Yes all of the death is sad and could be stopped at anytime if Putin decided to stop it. Yet the blame somehow gets passed around to everyone else but him.

When a country has legit national security concerns and people ethnically related to their nationals are being mistreated by a government then they are likely to invade the region they feel is responsible. If they cannot achieve their aims through diplomacy.

Russia has made repeated diplomatic overtures for about a decade now and the US, NATO, and the EU told them to accept the fact that the west was gonna screw Russia over and Russia just had to take it.

Invasiom in the name of national sexurity and natural resource dominance has pretty much been the rationale for the US' involvement in all its foreign wars since 1992.

Are you willing to put every US president except Trump who famously enemies all those wars on the same level as Putin.

The number of innocents and bystanders died under Obama affected by US actions in the name of national security and strategic resource interests is very similar to what Russia and Putin are responsible for.

Unless you are willing to go on record and say the same against every US president from Raegan on in a similar manner then you are a hypocrite.

I will wait.

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When a country has legit national security concerns and people ethnically related to their nationals are being mistreated by a government then they are likely to invade the region they feel is responsible. If they cannot achieve their aims through diplomacy.

Russia has made repeated diplomatic overtures for about a decade now and the US, NATO, and the EU told them to accept the fact that the west was gonna screw Russia over and Russia just had to take it.

Invasiom in the name of national sexurity and natural resource dominance has pretty much been the rationale for the US' involvement in all its foreign wars since 1992.

Are you willing to put every US president except Trump who famously enemies all those wars on the same level as Putin.

The number of innocents and bystanders died under Obama affected by US actions in the name of national security and strategic resource interests is very similar to what Russia and Putin are responsible for.

Unless you are willing to go on record and say the same against every US president from Raegan on in a similar manner then you are a hypocrite.

I will wait.

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Ags4DaWin said:

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When a country has legit national security concerns and people ethnically related to their nationals are being mistreated by a government then they are likely to invade the region they feel is responsible. If they cannot achieve their aims through diplomacy.

Russia has made repeated diplomatic overtures for about a decade now and the US, NATO, and the EU told them to accept the fact that the west was gonna screw Russia over and Russia just had to take it.

Invasiom in the name of national sexurity and natural resource dominance has pretty much been the rationale for the US' involvement in all its foreign wars since 1992.

Are you willing to put every US president except Trump who famously enemies all those wars on the same level as Putin.

The number of innocents and bystanders died under Obama affected by US actions in the name of national security and strategic resource interests is very similar to what Russia and Putin are responsible for.

Unless you are willing to go on record and say the same against every US president from Raegan on in a similar manner then you are a hypocrite.

I will wait.

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When was the last time a US president invaded Canada or Mexico, destroyed their cities and murdered civilians, for the sole purpose of permanently occupying their land? I'll wait.

The US has made plenty of mistakes and bad decisions. Nothing approaches what Putin has done.

J. Walter Weatherman said:

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Ags4DaWin said:

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When a country has legit national security concerns and people ethnically related to their nationals are being mistreated by a government then they are likely to invade the region they feel is responsible. If they cannot achieve their aims through diplomacy.

Russia has made repeated diplomatic overtures for about a decade now and the US, NATO, and the EU told them to accept the fact that the west was gonna screw Russia over and Russia just had to take it.

Invasiom in the name of national sexurity and natural resource dominance has pretty much been the rationale for the US' involvement in all its foreign wars since 1992.

Are you willing to put every US president except Trump who famously enemies all those wars on the same level as Putin.

The number of innocents and bystanders died under Obama affected by US actions in the name of national security and strategic resource interests is very similar to what Russia and Putin are responsible for.

Unless you are willing to go on record and say the same against every US president from Raegan on in a similar manner then you are a hypocrite.

I will wait.

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When was the last time a US president invaded Canada or Mexico, destroyed their cities and murdered civilians, for the sole purpose of permanently occupying their land? I'll wait.

The US has made plenty of mistakes and bad decisions. Nothing approaches what Putin has done.

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Were you born yesterday?

Iraq, Vietnam, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria…. Ukraine… All American wars.

Red Fishing Ag93 said:

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PlaneCrashGuy said:

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docb said:

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Just getting my morning dose of propaganda

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Ah yes. The classic "everyone who disagrees with me is a nazi"

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Our own State Department puts out more lies and bull**** than Putin does.

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How dare you say, that the state department lies.

Grapes said:

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J. Walter Weatherman said:

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Ags4DaWin said:

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When a country has legit national security concerns and people ethnically related to their nationals are being mistreated by a government then they are likely to invade the region they feel is responsible. If they cannot achieve their aims through diplomacy.

Russia has made repeated diplomatic overtures for about a decade now and the US, NATO, and the EU told them to accept the fact that the west was gonna screw Russia over and Russia just had to take it.

Invasiom in the name of national sexurity and natural resource dominance has pretty much been the rationale for the US' involvement in all its foreign wars since 1992.

Are you willing to put every US president except Trump who famously enemies all those wars on the same level as Putin.

The number of innocents and bystanders died under Obama affected by US actions in the name of national security and strategic resource interests is very similar to what Russia and Putin are responsible for.

Unless you are willing to go on record and say the same against every US president from Raegan on in a similar manner then you are a hypocrite.

I will wait.

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When was the last time a US president invaded Canada or Mexico, destroyed their cities and murdered civilians, for the sole purpose of permanently occupying their land? I'll wait.

The US has made plenty of mistakes and bad decisions. Nothing approaches what Putin has done.

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Were you born yesterday?

Iraq, Vietnam, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria…. Ukraine… All American wars.

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Not a single example you listed refutes what he said.

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How dare you say, that the state department lies.

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The important thing is that our al qaeda, isis, Libyan jihadist, nazi, likud, Bosnian muslim, euro censor, Saudi, Somalian warlord, Maidan Georgian snipers, Egyptian muslim brotherhood allies are the 'good guys.' Certainly, it's ok to re-designate a nazi group as good enough to ship money and arms to if they are shooting at the right folks. As long as fascist leaders/warlords have cool Castro-like green outfits they like to wear, it's all good. But we draw the line at massive environmental terrorism. That would be off-limits. Like propping up dictators/frauds/usurpers who cancel elections:

As of today, Romania's President is illegitimate.
His mandate expired, and he is refusing to leave office. pic.twitter.com/9blye7JZUq

— Romania Report (@romaniareport) December 21, 2024

Our money goes to regimes that literally support the kidnapping of christian minorities, with zero accountability. Meanwhile, CIA director went to meet with Zelensky a final time to make sure he keeps his mouth shut when Trump is sworn back in:

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Russia's Foreign Ministry suggested that Burns' trip aimed to warn Ukrainian authorities against sharing potentially compromising information with Trump's auditors.

Senior Russian diplomat Rodion Miroshnik described Zelensky as a "weak link" and suggested that Burns sought to ensure he would not disclose any sensitive "evidence of illegal actions by American officials related to the Democrats and Biden."

"Burns came to Kiev to tie up loose ends and coordinate actions with Zelensky for when Trump begins his review of the multi-billion-dollar US budget spending on Ukraine," Miroshnik told TASS on Saturday.

"The Democrats hardly expect Zelensky to keep his obligations to them, which is why they sent Burns," the diplomat said, noting that Kiev is the most vulnerable link in the chain of corruption that has seen billions of US taxpayer dollars thrown "into a bottomless pit."

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Western financing of Ukraine makes up almost 90% of its spending in past 3 years

From February 2022 to early December of this year, the West pumped a total of $238.5 billion into the Kiev regime. Meanwhile, Ukraine's expenditures for the same period are estimated at $274.6… pic.twitter.com/kX4oBvKJCZ

— Olga Bazova (@OlgaBazova) December 22, 2024

Sitrep: Things Heat Up in Kherson, Ukraine Losses Update, and More

That is here (yellow) - another bridgehead is already established north of Kupyansk. https://t.co/QF9MsaNEzx pic.twitter.com/623pcDXeV2

— -- GEROMAN -- time will tell - 👀 -- (@GeromanAT) December 21, 2024

Karen with a nice little tirade here. Relevant bit:

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NSA, along with the rest of the Pentagon's intelligence collectors, and the CIA, apparently couldn't tell the President that the Ukrainian operation circa 2022, a thing we fed and nurtured since before 2014, was always going to be unwinnable for the Ukrainians, and would kill a million of its younger men, permanently scar another million, drive 15 million to flee the country, destroy the infrastructure of Ukraine, deprive it of its mineral and agricultural wealth, make it even more corrupt than when it won regular awards for European corruption, and debase and desiccate the economies and the military stores of NATO countries, including that of the US. None of this "investment" in US security intelligence seemed able to predict that the democracy in Ukraine would transmogrify into Nazi-dominated despotism, suspending religions, languages, elections and spending all its time chasing down reluctant recruits to the bloody and ever more westerly Russian front. Last but not least, this "investment" in intelligence seemed unable to figure out that sanctions don't work, that Putin is domestically and globally popular, and that the Russian defense industrial base is shockingly agile, surprising innovative, and kind of fun to watch if you are into new and scary weapons systems that the US can't produce or design.

American politicians and corporate state media have been poorly served by the DoD and CIA "investment" in a way that is even more obvious. The diplomatic and law enforcement part of DC retain a $10 million terrorist bounty on the head of the new leader in Syria, while the president and the Pentagon and CIA are cheering him, and at the same time trying to see how much more land and resources can be stolen from him, via negotiations with Turkey over the north and west of Syria, as they publicly rationalize the extension of the Israeli death cult over the east and south.

The planned creation of a monstrous new arms market in NATO, via the dumping of stockpiled, dysfunctional, legacy NATO arms and weapons systems into a dying, depopulated and soon to be decapitated Ukraine worked out well. In Syria, thanks especially to our beloved Israel, there will be another huge new market for arms, and the US defense-industrial-congressional establishment hopes to dominate that market as well.

Much as attempted in Ukraine with that $12 Trillion of Donbass mineral wealth, seized energy and assets of the latest "victim" country will pay for both the war effort and the massive new military investment that will be "required." This means Syrian oil and gas, already being stolen by the US and its protected Kurdish SDF for over a decade, will be used openly to refill the empty pockets of the US defense establishment, and its global partners. That US controlled/confiscated resource will also fund the gangster "security" needed for the Assad-opposed, but now totally gonna happen Qatar-Turkey gas pipeline. Dreams of Afghanistan, I suppose.

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J. Walter Weatherman said:

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Ags4DaWin said:

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When a country has legit national security concerns and people ethnically related to their nationals are being mistreated by a government then they are likely to invade the region they feel is responsible. If they cannot achieve their aims through diplomacy.

Russia has made repeated diplomatic overtures for about a decade now and the US, NATO, and the EU told them to accept the fact that the west was gonna screw Russia over and Russia just had to take it.

Invasiom in the name of national sexurity and natural resource dominance has pretty much been the rationale for the US' involvement in all its foreign wars since 1992.

Are you willing to put every US president except Trump who famously enemies all those wars on the same level as Putin.

The number of innocents and bystanders died under Obama affected by US actions in the name of national security and strategic resource interests is very similar to what Russia and Putin are responsible for.

Unless you are willing to go on record and say the same against every US president from Raegan on in a similar manner then you are a hypocrite.

I will wait.

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When was the last time a US president invaded Canada or Mexico, destroyed their cities and murdered civilians, for the sole purpose of permanently occupying their land? I'll wait.

The US has made plenty of mistakes and bad decisions. Nothing approaches what Putin has done.

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Were you born yesterday?

Iraq, Vietnam, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria…. Ukraine… All American wars.

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Ukraine is a Russian war. They invaded and can end it whenever they want.

The rest were not invasions for permanent occupation. Want to try again?

Ukraine is running out of time if it hopes to recapture the eastern region. We all know that isn't going to happen.

Definitely made Russia pay for the land grab but throughout history, small countries wealth has always been the booty of the bigger and stronger.

Once peace comes, NATO wins with 3 new memberships.

Russia wins with trillions of dollars of minerals from the eastern Ukraine addition plus a land bridge to the Black Sea.

They already had a "land bridge" to the Black Sea

Crimea is what I meant to write.


Russian ships getting out of the Black Sea into the Mediterranean Sea is only thru the passage at Istanbul?

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Ukraine is running out of time if it hopes to recapture the eastern region. We all know that isn't going to happen.

Definitely made Russia pay for the land grab but throughout history, small countries wealth has always been the booty of the bigger and stronger.

Once peace comes, NATO wins with 3 new memberships.

Russia wins with trillions of dollars of minerals from the eastern Ukraine addition plus a land bridge to the Black Sea.

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Pretty much. All that's left is to negotiate the new borders.

Yes, that's why Constantinople/Byzantium has been coveted for millennia, as a trade route into/out of Europe/Asia and via the sea as well. Its fall to the Turks is one of the saddest tales in history. Relatedly, Turkstream and Bluestream will become more critical than ever if Zelensky follows through on his threat next month to Europe.

‼️BREAKING:

🇸🇰⚡PM of Slovakia, Robert Fico has threatened Ukraine with serious consequences if it's gas pipelines from Russia are halted/tampered with. pic.twitter.com/F6pA36tg8E

— Spetsnaℤ 007 🇷🇺 (@Alex_Oloyede2) December 20, 2024

Back to Ukraine, wow, CPJ urges green goblin to scale back press intimidation, notes new bill for total media control:

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In addition, CPJ is concerned about a bill currently being debated in the Verkhovna Rada that could increase criminal penalties for publishing information from public databases during martial law, thereby threatening the work of investigative journalists.

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However, we are increasingly concerned by signals pointing to an unwarranted attempt by the Ukrainian government to control the media and stifle investigative journalism. Over the last year, our research and detailed exchanges with local journalists show a pattern of unwarranted restrictions and other interventions that curtail the operations of a free press and ultimately do a disservice to the democracy that you are aiming to defend.

In October, independent news outlet Ukrainska Pravda (UP) stated that it was experiencing "ongoing and systematic pressure" from your office. UP's program director, Andrii Bystrov, told CPJ that government officials regularly receive directives from your office not to talk to the outlet on certain matters. On October 10, Ukrainska Pravda specified that Dmytro Lytvyn, the recently appointedcommunications adviser for your office, banned security forces and officials from communicating with the outlet's journalists. Lytvyn denied the allegations on October 15. Ukrainska Pravda also alleged that your office is pressuring private companies to pull advertising from the outlet, and Bystrov told us that some advertisers had withdrawn following calls from your office.

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I wonder if the bill was drafted at Langley. Meanwhile, Russia sanctions Ukraine's richest oligarch, who once owned a lot of Ukrainian media before it was confiscated by Kiev.

Absolutely spot on, Călin! The EU and Romania are indeed slipping into authoritarianism with Iohannis at the helm. How can a leader extend their term and still claim any shred of democratic legitimacy? This isn't just about Romania; it's a wake-up call for the entire EU! The real…

— TruthSeekerX (@tir28555) December 22, 2024

🇩🇪AfD party leader Alice Weidel has overtaken Friedrich Merz (CDU) as the most popular candidate for chancellor ahead of the upcoming elections in Germany, according to the latest poll by INSA. pic.twitter.com/TCqF8IdtvX

— SIMPLICIUS Ѱ (@simpatico771) December 22, 2024

Anti-war leadership looking good heading into the next election season in Eastern/Central Europe.

Even the British media has admitted that the Ukrainian attack with drones on a skyscraper in Kazan was a terrorist attack. pic.twitter.com/wE2p9KI1eS

— Olga Bazova (@OlgaBazova) December 23, 2024

Biden administration pressed Germans to build EU pro-war coalition. Warmonger report:

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German Chancellor Olaf Scholz and Foreign Minister Annalena Baerbock have been working to consolidate an anti-Russian coalition in the European Union under pressure from U.S. President Joe Biden's administration. Now, they face the challenge of establishing ties with the incoming team of President-elect Donald Trump, Milorad Dodik, President of the Republika Srpska (one of the two constituent entities of Bosnia and Herzegovina), said.

"Germany was in a politically losing position when Scholz and Baerbock traveled across the EU in a bid to build an anti-Russian front, creating problems for themselves in the process. Just look at Germany now, compared to the world's fourth-largest economy during [former Chancellor Angela] Merkel's time. This shows that their policy was flawed. They failed to resist pressure from the Biden administration," Dodik remarked.

"Now we see the outcome: a Europe burdened with numerous problems and struggling to determine how to establish relations with the Trump administration. I am curious how Europe will handle accepting [Russian President Vladimir] Putin as a leader who is not a loser," he said in an interview with the Politika news outlet.

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The situation in Germany really is sad, and our pro-war foreign policy is more than slightly responsible. Zelensky explains his bribe offer to Slovakia, and of course had the temerity to allege Fico is the one who is corrupt:

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"We offered him solutions regarding potential compensation for Slovaks the Slovaks specifically for losses from Russian transit, as well as alternatives for transit any other gas, not Russian, at the request of the European Commission," he wrote.

Zelensky reiterated his previous allegations that Fico's policies are motivated by "personal gain" under "murky schemes" with Moscow. The Ukrainian leader first made the unsubstantiated claims when reacting to Fico's visit to Russia last Sunday, where he met President Vladimir Putin to discuss the situation with gas supplies.

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Mark Rutte (Nato/WEF boss): Zelensky's *****ing can 'sometimes' go too far. Ungrateful. Probably the understatement of the year. He's likely realizing this is just undermining public support for the war parties in places like Romania/Germany/France with elections now coming up.

"I Trust Putin More Than Zelenskyy" - Exiled Zelenskyy Top Insider Alexey Arestovich TELLS ALL.@patrickbetdavid @arestovych pic.twitter.com/c9YAaywB1C

— PBD Podcast (@PBDsPodcast) December 23, 2024

Ah, so now it wasn't even Russia's idea, let alone desperation, for Nork troops to deploy into the SMO:

"But U.S. intelligence agencies have now assessed that the deployment was North Korea’s idea and not Russia’s, though President Vladimir V. Putin quickly embraced it, American officials say...

The senior Ukrainian official said North Korean platoons do not seem to be fully… pic.twitter.com/MvMx5uel32

— Rob Lee (@RALee85) December 23, 2024

Congressional hearings into Ukrainian 'aid' corruption/extortion expected next year. Good to see!

As soon as the Republicans come to power, Ukraine will be held accountable for US aid, hearings on grand corruption will be held, — Kyiv Post

▪️These US Congressional hearings on corruption in Ukraine could block aid to Ukraine for years.
▪️On Capitol Hill, concerns are… pic.twitter.com/2KI6jla7ZC

— Olga Bazova (@OlgaBazova) December 24, 2024

Vichna viyna!

woah. Syrsky sends OSINT channel 'deep state' to the front line for telling too much of the truth.


The panic is palpable, clearly.

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During much of the war, there was one front where Ukraine seemed to be always winning: on the MSM's headlines.

The PR battle had always been a focus of the Kiev regime, but as the Russian victories multiplied and accelerated, most of the media had to recalibrate their reporting in a rush.

But there is one surprising Ukrainian resource that has been consistently right in their postings: the military mapping team of the 'DeepState' Telegram channel.

But it turns out they committed an unforgivable crime nowadays in Ukraine: they were too accurate at a time when the progressive collapse at the front can't be exposed.

So now reports arise that they have stopped their work and the team have been allegedly 'mobilized'.

"Ukraine's top military commander General Aleksandr Syrsky has reportedly sought to silence an open-source intelligence (OSINT) project tracking battlefield developments in the ongoing conflict with Russia, a Ukrainian MP has claimed.

Mariana Bezuglaya, the deputy head of the National Security, Defense and Intelligence Committee, made the allegations on Monday via Telegram."

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No more maps, no more bad news. Problem solved. Forever war!

PS: I put this one on the Benz JRE thread but the longer thread here should be on this one I suppose, just as it relates to Ukraine-Russia, Burisma, profiteering etc. Too lazy to post more than one link, but it's at the numbered sequence he retweets below:

What the Biden Blob did to Pakistan’s elected government, and how that connects to the situation in Romania 👇 https://t.co/QcxAKmqZsS

— Mike Benz (@MikeBenzCyber) December 24, 2024

More at the link, as they say.

Slava Slava with yo momma. We also need to find out who benefited here.